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kalikshama -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 3:23:18 AM)

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Why is their opinion as MEN, as DOMINANTS not worth paying attention to? Because they don't fit with your preconceived notion?

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thishereboi -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 3:55:47 AM)

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But I can't imagine too many people admitting in an open forum here that they view a large percentage of the other forum members as inferior beings


And yet the post just above yours does just that[8|]



Buzzzz -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 5:23:40 AM)

I admire and respect male submissives very much, because they have the "balls" to go against the grain of what society "teaches" us. It is a little like a gay man coming out of the closet and letting his familly and friends know that he is. (not saying that sub males are gay at all).. Basically, tell them all "f***k you all, this is who I am and deal with it".

A personnal note : Writing isn't my strong side and as an english as a secong language kinda guy, it doesn't help either. I am very much a "math guy", and am trying to express myself over here (usually works better with oral communication).

oops, I meant verbal communication. once a perv, always a perv ;)



Selectivelight -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 5:26:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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But I can't imagine too many people admitting in an open forum here that they view a large percentage of the other forum members as inferior beings


And yet the post just above yours does just that[8|]



And I feel like an asshole for doing so. Believe me, this is not one of my prouder moments.

But an honest question was asked, and I don't mind opening the door to honest answers. Even if I do look like a gigantic prick for it.



crazyml -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 5:49:41 AM)

Sunshine,

In fairness, the OP is trying to learn about why dom men who look down on submissive men do so. I've no beef with that - I'm faintly interested myself.





crazyml -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 5:54:47 AM)

I don't think your response made you look like a gigantic prick by any means at all. It was an honest, reasoned answer to the question that was put.

And it made me think, so, thanks.




aromanholiday -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 6:09:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NiceGuyNihilist
About birthright: Do you believe it impossible, then, that some men are genetically endowed with a submissive streak? If we were, wouldn't the submissive drive be our birthright in exactly the same sense that testosterone is?


I think that most submissive men face a struggle that submissive women do not face: the war of their hormonal disposition (testosterone) and how aggressive it can make them against their submissive natures. I agree with you that a submissive nature can also be a genetic potential or "birthright" that is triggered and even encouraged by life events as one grows but it seems significantly weaker than the pounding influence of their masculinity. For submissive women, their hormones, their genetic inheritance (I almost want to call it a "racial memory") of what its like to be a female in a group of humans, and a submissive birthright similar to the male's make submission a relatively easy process: all they need do is relax and slide down that slippery hill. Our modern culture's ideology about the sexes makes that downhill slide a little rough, but these patchy spots are, still, nothing at all like the uphill struggle (or the wrestling with and conquering of the natural/chemical/hormonal "demons" of one's nature) that submissive men face. Due to the difficulties of the latter struggle, most men fail at submission/slavery at a very early stage of the process. If they are aiming toward enslavement, most never even see let alone open the various doors of correct and inspired motivation. But. The men who do succeed at their goal to be deeply submissive to someone (thanks to their sincere attitudes, the hard work they do to follow their dream, and their nature being recognized by a perceptive mistress or master), tend to be incredible souls because they've had to work so hard, overcome so much, to be what they are. To me, such submissive men greatly outshine women at similar levels of submission/surrender. I have not personally met many male submissives like this, they seem quite rare, but the few I have met have impressed me and deeply inspired me. While these extraordinary submissive would probably hate to be called this, in my mind I see them as supermen.



sunshinemiss -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 6:19:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Sunshine,

In fairness, the OP is trying to learn about why dom men who look down on submissive men do so. I've no beef with that - I'm faintly interested myself.





Hello M.L.
If he had agreed to have a conversation - which he hasn't, or he had wanted to hear everyone's viewpoints - which he doesn't, even if he'd wanted only to hear from dominant men - which he doesn't, I'd be down with that. However, he clearly has an agenda to hear ONLY the people who agree with his "friend". Funny, it sounds like someone making a high falutin' attempt at getting humiliation.

I don't think the conversation itself is without merit, but call it for what it is. I for one don't like to see people played. Just a little quirk of mine.

best,
sunshine



crazyml -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 6:32:13 AM)

Yeah, but you still think I'm hawt, right?

(that being the most important thing)



ranja -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 6:54:27 AM)

My dominant Husband has no contempt for submissive men,
He does however find very feminine men strange creatures.
Whereas i think people of different walks of life add colour, He might at times be a bit over sensitive to the brightness of it and distance Himself.

Also it might be that you and your friend were not very good friends really and when you caused the argument he blew his top and shouted abusive things at you to hurt you... rather than what was really his opinion... but maybe not



sunshinemiss -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 7:30:49 AM)

The jury is still out.
But one question did arise:
Do you wear hair pomade?



Arturas -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 8:49:39 AM)

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I admire and respect male submissives very much, because they have the "balls" to go against the grain of what society "teaches" us.


This is not true. Society teaches tolerance for that which is not natural. Males who fight what is natural do not do so because they have "balls", in fact, they capitulate and surrender their genetic and natural heritage because they find it easier to do so than face the responsibilities and the risks and the successes and failures faced by a natural man who does not run from his gender. They run from their maleness because it is easier for the moment rather than stand and be counted on as one. They are men as women who then force women to be men. Did I mention this is unnatural? No, don't blame Society, that is simply running from responsibility and that is not manly either.



crazyml -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 8:59:05 AM)

Isn't it society that teaches us what is "natural" and what is not?



Selectivelight -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 9:37:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

This is not true. Society teaches tolerance for that which is not natural. 


And this is where you lost me.... That statement gave me a headache.




domiguy -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 9:58:49 AM)

I look down on the fuckers, as a whole. There are no absolutes so there are always going to be exceptions to the rules.

I think most people suck bloody cunt so submissive men should certainly not fall outside that arena.

Thy tend to be angry, wormy fucks that are pissed at the world because they can't even take charge of their own sexuality, then again, the dominant men out here are not exactly a fucking hoot, either.

they and theirs use terms like forced bi, forced strapped, cbt and all sorts of other deceptive shit, fuck, bitch ass terminology to try and describe that which they are secretly dying to do.

If you want to suck cock, suck fucking cock. Don't try and hide your homotastic ways under the scope of being forced to do so.

In closing, all people pretty much suck raunchy balls. Especially sub women and dominant guys.




leadership527 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 10:06:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Selectivelight
This is not true. Society teaches tolerance for that which is not natural. 

It's a gorean thing relying on notions of "natural order". I'd recommend ignoring it unless you're either gorean or believe in some other "natural order". Basically, either it's self-supporting in your own mind or it'll give you a headache thinking about it. Faith is like that.



domiguy -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 10:18:07 AM)

The bdsm thing on a whole attracts a pile of dysfunctional folks, lord knows, I am most likely one of them.

First ya got the sub males. Fucking pussies! Then ya gots yer domdudes that are completely unable to communicate with a woman on any level so they use the guise of Domship to get them some action. You have women that are so vile that they couldn't get laid in a leper colony, they become no limit slaves or dommes.

let alone all of the fuckers that have reached the shores of bdsm via the abuse cruiseline

you only can hope for the best to find someone that digs yo shit and is not going to rock the boat in a dire fashion.

I hate all of you, especially mother.



NiceGuyNihilist -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 10:25:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Sunshine,

In fairness, the OP is trying to learn about why dom men who look down on submissive men do so. I've no beef with that - I'm faintly interested myself.





Hello M.L.
If he had agreed to have a conversation - which he hasn't, or he had wanted to hear everyone's viewpoints - which he doesn't, even if he'd wanted only to hear from dominant men - which he doesn't, I'd be down with that. However, he clearly has an agenda to hear ONLY the people who agree with his "friend". Funny, it sounds like someone making a high falutin' attempt at getting humiliation.

I don't think the conversation itself is without merit, but call it for what it is. I for one don't like to see people played. Just a little quirk of mine.

best,
sunshine



sunshinemiss,

You are not wrong to point out that I have selectively responded to the posters who've admitted to holding a certain view, but you are ludicrously wrong in your assessment of my motive. The avowed purpose of this thread, as stated in my OP, is to seek out those Doms who for whatever reason dislike male submission to females, and engage them in a civil dialogue. At least consciously, I harbor no presupposition that such a sentiment is widespread--and indeed, my face-to-face interactions with the Doms in my vicinity largely suggests just the opposite. But that's irrelevant. What's relevant is that there are some Doms who are repulsed by male submission, and I want to know what makes them tick. Nowhere have I implied that I intend to draw even tentative conclusions about the pervasiveness of such viewpoints in the community at large.

As for your suggestion that I am trying to get my rocks off by seeking derogatory comments from male Doms--well, I'd shrug and tell myself not to sweat it because anyone with 14,000 posts on collarchat is bound to have a bit of a jaundiced eye, except that I don't believe anyone who's paid full attention to my words could reasonably draw that conclusion. Did you read my post in response to 'awareness'? If you did, you should have noticed that I immediately offered a thoughtful challenge to his argument. That in itself does not prove that I am seeking a fruitful dialogue rather than a fruitful wank session, but I think it should have at least persuaded you to refrain from accusing me of being disingenuous until the thread had progressed a bit further.

If anyone does in fact feel neglected because I've not responded to your posts, I apologize. I can assure you I've read every response carefully.



Arturas -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 12:01:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Isn't it society that teaches us what is "natural" and what is not?


Also not true. Modern society cannot teach something is natural when that same thing does not occur in nature.



Selectivelight -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/27/2011 12:33:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: selectivelight
This is not true. Society teaches tolerance for that which is not natural. 

It's a gorean thing relying on notions of "natural order". I'd recommend ignoring it unless you're either gorean or believe in some other "natural order". Basically, either it's self-supporting in your own mind or it'll give you a headache thinking about it. Faith is like that.


Just wanted to point out that I did -not- say society teaches tolerance (of any kind).

That is all.



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