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RE: slaves being broken - 5/16/2006 6:31:23 PM

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I have heard of the "Rose Ceremony". From what I can recall, it's being beaten with long stem roses (thorns intact), until all the rose petals fall away. It can be pretty severe since the thorns are quite capable of breaking the skin. Never witnessed it though.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/16/2006 6:40:29 PM

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Now, concerning all this harsh beatings and all before a collar is placed...

Bovine Excrement

I think it depends a lot on the "SM culture" you're from. I used to hang out with some fairly heavy, hardcore players, and it was not one bit unusual for our public scenes, including our public collaring ceremonies, to include piercing, branding, cutting, heavy caning, singletails, etc. For that matter, we might do any of that stuff at a Saturday night play party just because it happened to be our idea of fun, and because we could do it safely with our consenting partners.

YMMV. Not everybody wants to or has to play this way. Being a "player with intensity" does not make me better than anyone else or More Kinkier Than Thou. It's just a personal choice, and one that I'm very aware has to be made with great caution and consideration for physical and psychological safety. But there are a lot of people who really do incorporate the more intense, advanced SM techniques into their play and their relationships. It's not bovine excrement at all.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/16/2006 6:42:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: emeraude

I have heard of the "Rose Ceremony". From what I can recall, it's being beaten with long stem roses (thorns intact), until all the rose petals fall away. It can be pretty severe since the thorns are quite capable of breaking the skin. Never witnessed it though.

That is fucking hot and I am so doing it at the next play party. Already planning out the safety precautions, setup and aftercare. Woo hoo.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/16/2006 6:54:36 PM

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I have heard of the "Rose Ceremony". From what I can recall, it's being beaten with long stem roses (thorns intact), until all the rose petals fall away. It can be pretty severe since the thorns are quite capable of breaking the skin. Never witnessed it though.

A Rose Ceremony at a collaring is when The Dominant takes a rose and pricks his submissives finger with it, she in turn takes a rose and pricks his finger with it. The two then allow a few drops of blood to flow onto the head of a white rose and intermingle. They then join hands and allow their blood to bond.

I have seen this at many collarings but I have never seen what you described. I have seen whippings with rose thorn canes, but not at a collaring or as a ceremony. I've also seen a variation where the Dominant or a Dominant friend of the couple will use a special knife to draw the blood to be dripped on the rose.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/16/2006 8:20:24 PM

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i wouldnt take my statistics to heart, but yes, more often than not, breaking was involved.

its ok, i am a *fake* too

You're not fake. Just virtual.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/16/2006 8:42:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: emeraude

I have heard of the "Rose Ceremony". From what I can recall, it's being beaten with long stem roses (thorns intact), until all the rose petals fall away. It can be pretty severe since the thorns are quite capable of breaking the skin. Never witnessed it though.

The only place I've ever read about the Ceremony of the Roses is Castle Realm.

http://www.castlerealm.com/library/roseritual.shtml

It doesn't say anything about anyone being beaten with roses. This reminds me more of a handfasting ceremony.

Do you know where this Ceremony of the Roses originates?

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/16/2006 11:03:34 PM

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If only breaking were like these lyrics below I would definitely want it, but since it is not really a romantic notion I will pass, but for those of you into breaking enjoy these lyrics by Jewel

I will meet you
In some place
Where the light lends itself
To soft repose
I will let you undress me
But I warn you
I have thorns
Like any rose
And you could hurt me
With your bare hands
You could hurt me
With with the sharp end
Of what you say
But I'm lost to you now
And there's no
Amount of reason
That could save me
So break me
Take me
Just let me
Feel your arms again
Break me
I'll let you make me
Just let me
Feel your love again

Feels like being underwater
Now that I've let go
And lost control
Water kisses fill my mouth
Water fills my soul

So break me
Take me
Just let me
Feel your arms again
Break me
Make me
Just let me
Feel your love again

Kiss me once
Well, maybe twice
Oh, it never felt so nice
So break me
Take me
Let me
Feel your arms again

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 7:02:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: emeraude

I have heard of the "Rose Ceremony". From what I can recall, it's being beaten with long stem roses (thorns intact), until all the rose petals fall away. It can be pretty severe since the thorns are quite capable of breaking the skin. Never witnessed it though.

A Rose Ceremony at a collaring is when The Dominant takes a rose and pricks his submissives finger with it, she in turn takes a rose and pricks his finger with it. The two then allow a few drops of blood to flow onto the head of a white rose and intermingle. They then join hands and allow their blood to bond.

i had something similar to this at my ceremony [mistoferin] i thought it was a very strong action of bonding [yes aware of the risks, obv]

and i think that apparently faux OP of 'rose ceremony' teehee, yes Najak, very hot i agree.

is virtual better than fake? errr

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 7:08:19 AM

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After the initial trauma & shock had subsided that such a thing could happen in the 20th century, frustration & anger swelled thus increasing resistance that somehow makes the break sharper. The breaking involved Words, Pain & Tortures, its effectively a brainwash that if so complete everything that was before can be wiped out. These things wear the mind & body down, also sleep depravation whether self induced or forced adds to the weight of the breaking through tiredness. Eventually with the increasing tortures & whipping I could see no respite in my trying to control my own mind & body. Logic showed there was no way out & this was how life was going to be, initially the only escape was sleep as & when that came. In an endurance whipping session over 3 days I mentally quit as I would do anything for a respite or sleep escapism.

seems extreme, even for people who do support *breaking* but then again, it abviously does obtain desired effect. anything i would hope for, or hope to see, would never be multi day, and involve anything more than physical. i think if a state of humbleness and awareness of your position is required through breaking, it should not include "mental quitting"

maybe this was a Gorean slave? i know not too much about them, except it appears more *hard core* than typical M/s

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 3:38:36 PM

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I must ask this question . How did this ever get to collaring Ceremonys ? From a slave being broken ? . I guess maybe I have misread this lol. But as far as I have done , is let you all know what and where I stand .

THIS IS LIKE ONE OF THOSE STORIES THAT GETS TOLD OVER AND OVER BUT NEVER IS THE RIGHT STORY . HOW CAN I KEEP FROM LAUGHING ?

MasterStoney

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 4:35:52 PM

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I must ask this question . How did this ever get to collaring Ceremonys ? From a slave being broken ? . I guess maybe I have misread this lol. But as far as I have done , is let you all know what and where I stand .

THIS IS LIKE ONE OF THOSE STORIES THAT GETS TOLD OVER AND OVER BUT NEVER IS THE RIGHT STORY . HOW CAN I KEEP FROM LAUGHING ?

MasterStoney

because breaking is usually part of the ceremony

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 4:48:27 PM

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How does a slave get broken by her Master if there are kids in the home?

BDSM fantasy-based delusion #1145 is breaking slaves. Comes right after 1144, and don't ask what that is...you wouldn't like the answer.

Never mind the labels: it's relationship building. That's always a letdown for people who have come to this expecting they'd have the burden of building relationships lifted from them, and that they'd have a rule book to follow.

Let go of the fantasies, put some energy into your end of things, and talk about where you want to go from here. Simple words, but a very complex task.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 6:39:39 PM

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WikedUncle,

This is by know means a fantasy to me or my slave . We do live this M/s life R/t on a every day relationship . I nor my slave live by ANY books .

I think you have not read the whole thread , due to your coments . But hey you do have your opinion and I respect that.
PS. Note I am not Gorean . Books are not in my life style .

When you look at life ,life looks back .

MasterStoney442

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 7:22:45 PM

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Stoney,
WikedUncle was not referring to your life as a fantasy, but the breaking of a submissive as a fantasy.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/17/2006 7:43:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterStoney442

WikedUncle,

This is by know means a fantasy to me or my slave . We do live this M/s life R/t on a every day relationship . I nor my slave live by ANY books .

I think you have not read the whole thread , due to your coments . But hey you do have your opinion and I respect that.
PS. Note I am not Gorean . Books are not in my life style .

When you look at life ,life looks back .

MasterStoney442

Easy there, Stoney. He wasn't saying you were Gorean. He said that some people come into D/s believing that it isn't like a real relationship (where you have to build trust, communicate, be...ya know...human), that there will be a set of rules to do it one correct way. But there isn't a rule book. There's no way to live it one way and expect everything to fall into place.

Lower your hackles.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/18/2006 8:18:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: mixielicous
because breaking is usually part of the ceremony

No, it's really not....

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/18/2006 10:50:10 AM

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My post did not stay where I wanted it to. I thank everyone who replyed to MY post. What I hear from others helps me.... kindof like a smack in the face. Thank Yyou. I wanted to know about "breaking" with children in the home. I understand it won't happen. And now that I understand in more depth what it is, I don't want it to happen. Thanks for the info. I have opened up and admited everything that was on my mind to Master, which is what was needed. And of course that helped. Master and I have a very strong relationship. Thank Master for that. So I know we can work through all that comes.

But I am repeditive in my problems. And that is the problem. They don't go away. I will have something talked out and feel good then a week later it bothers me again and I try to egnore it and it builds and build till I explode again. And there is where the problems start all over and the same discussion again. And yes I get back into slave mode On my 3 consecutive days off. Usually a day or so into the days off. And a couple hours before I go to work friday night, I am back to a bitch and hate life again. And there goes slave mode.

BUT... We are dealing with what is at hand and somehow things will work out. Thank you for replying to "breaking" and not the ceremonies part.

rose442

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/18/2006 10:56:02 AM

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because breaking is usually part of the ceremony

No, it's really not....

if you participate in breaking, yes, it is

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/18/2006 10:58:54 AM

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Just because something has always been done, doesn't mean that it should continue to be done.

Just beacause you dont like something, doesnt make it wrong.

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RE: slaves being broken - 5/18/2006 10:59:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: mixielicous
if you participate in breaking, yes, it is

That's like saying "Because drinking piss is usually part of the wedding ceremony."

No, it's not.

"It is if you participate in pissing."

OK yes- if a breakdown scene (which is what you've been describing IMO) is a part of your collaring ritual, then yes, obviously it's "usually part of your collaring ceremony."

That doesn't mean that "breakdown scenes" ARE commonly part of collaring ceremonies.

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