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But in the end, our system while one of the best, is not at all perfect -- human's run it. There is a difference between murder and killing. We are a huge country, we aren't a country that is the size of a couple of our states. I don't think we can really compare our system and circumstances with other countries unless all of the concepts such as population etc is compared.
That is not even remotely logic, your system is one of the best? Compared to what and how well do you know other systems? What has the population to do with capital punishment? So you're basically saying if you are having a population that bigger than <random number> the capital punishment makes sense? That doesn't make sense to me.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge the US is the only civilized country that still has the death penalty, you mean it has to do with the size of it? Now how come then that you got different states and some states decided they don't want the death penalty?
If the US system is one of the best, then how come that you're the country with all those law suits that are considered frivolous in other countries? The US is the country with the most law suits on the planet, that doesn't say effective or best...
My take is that if I say killing is wrong, it's wrong, for everybody. The state executing something is violating it's own principles on the feeble excuse of making it legal, that's a "Don't do as I do but do as I say" case, no matter which way you turn and twist it. It's hypocritical.
What you talk about "emotional blackmail" is exactly what you are doing about talking that you have seen dead bodies, tell you what, most of us have seen dead bodies, most of us know somebody who was the victim of a crime, so you are the one trying the emotional blackmail here.
Death penalty is not justice, it pays lip service to being justice but it is an action that the state actually condemns when done by an individual. And yes, there have been lots of instances when years later it turned out that somebody who was not guilty was executed. You may say "it happens" - now I just would wonder how you would feel if it would happen to you or yours?
To be honest, I don't want to sway your belief, because you simply don't want to hear it, but if you leave all noise aside and you ask yourself a simple question "If something is fundamentally wrong, then is it wrong for everybody?" you might actually think about it.
Do I personally feel that the world would be a better place without murderers? Absolutely! Would I feel sorry if the guy who killed the little boy would be executed? Absolutely not! Can I understand parents who kill the murderer of their child? Yes, absolutely... Am I angry that child molesters and killers cost a lot of money to protect them from the wrath of other prisoners? Oh hell, yes. In short I am human, but I am also a human who lives in a society, now whoever makes the laws should be better, should not be swayed by feelings like revenge (that's what death penalty is about because there is no justice, you don't bring back the lives that were taken, you don't make it better for the people left behind, they aren't getting their loved one back). Now if I would have a child and somebody would kill my child, would I be a revengeful bitch? You wanna bet, and for that reason I wouldn't want the bastard executed, I would want him to live in a small cell for the rest of his life, being isolated from the world, all on his own, worried that if he leaves the cell that another prisoner would maim him, that's a much much worse punishment than getting it done and over with. Vegetating in a small cell like an animal in a cage - fitting punishment, being reminded every day that what he did brought it on...
Now if an action like taking a life is wrong and the moment the state sanctions this by having the capital punishment, the state itself becomes corrupt and violates his own principles.
For most Europeans the US laws are a bit of a joke, another example is the beaches, you will have people screaming that it will be the moral downfall of the world if bare breasts are allowed and the children must be protected from it, OK, then I hope that all the children that are breast fed are also blindfolded to stop them from being damaged, and how come that guys with big man breasts are allowed to be topless but not women? I would think seeing a guy with massive moobs is more traumatic for a child than seeing a pair of breasts...
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