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but anyway, the comment that you can't be misogynistic because you're a woman is really silly. =p of course women can be misogynists (i've met several, who were all, oddly, female dominants). just like black people can be racist, and some vegetarians wear leather shoes. doi.

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

Well, this certainly devolved rather quickly. It had the potential to be an interesting discourse on the state of feminist thought and the feminine condition. As it is it's unnecessarily contentious dross as far as the eye can see. Regrettable.

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Well, this certainly devolved rather quickly. It had the potential to be an interesting discourse on the state of feminist thought and the feminine condition. As it is it's unnecessarily contentious dross as far as the eye can see. Regrettable.

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ORIGINAL: JWriter

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but anyway, the comment that you can't be misogynistic because you're a woman is really silly. =p of course women can be misogynists (i've met several, who were all, oddly, female dominants). just like black people can be racist, and some vegetarians wear leather shoes. doi.

Oh, women can hate women, to be sure. But, misogyny is not just hating a woman. It is hating a woman for being a woman. That precludes survival of self, if the self is a woman. If I hated women to that extent, I would kill myself for being one. That's what happens. So, no, it is not possible for a woman to exist who is a misogynist.

However, it is very possible for a woman to exist who doesn't like women in general, who is extremely jealous of women, who is in fear of women, or, who hates individual women on a case-by-case basis. It is not misogyny.

I don't object to the fact that someone intimates that it sounds like someone who doesn't like women. I object to the inaccuracy of the word.

Aside from which, there is nothing about the original post that would sound misogynistic, even if it had been posted by a man. It was not about what's wrong with women. It was about how most men, regardless of what they say they are, still seek to oppress women, and is, therefore, in favor of women, not against them.

It was these other women who sounded like they just wanted to tear me apart for being female, without even considering what the post was really about. I do not claim they are misogynists, however, as they obviously love themselves a little too well.

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

Well, this certainly devolved rather quickly. It had the potential to be an interesting discourse on the state of feminist thought and the feminine condition. As it is it's unnecessarily contentious dross as far as the eye can see. Regrettable.

That might be a great topic!

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listen up doughnut hole, you made a fucked up little rant about how men don't fucking find you attractive.

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
We already did that as part of Heather's Male vs Female dominance thread.  It devolved almost as rapidly and it started from a much better place.  Could we wait a few more months before we revisit this particular chestnut?  Please and thank you.

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We already did that as part of Heather's Male vs Female dominance thread.  It devolved almost as rapidly and it started from a much better place.

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

I must have missed that one!

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if someone would simply read the post and respond to what it actually says, rather than their feelings about the poster

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ORIGINAL: JWriter

.. that, in the majority, the same expectations and requirements exist for all females, whether subs, slaves, switches, Dommes, or, etc?

Dress in leather.
Wear pointy-toed shoes
Offer me your ass.
Beguile me with your cunt and tits
Spend my money, but, only on things that please me.
If you want something from me, perform to my expectations first.
Look like an Auschwitz victim, by weight.
Wear bright red lipstick.
Keep yourself impeccably groomed at all times.
Don't expect me to pay for it.
Never be comfortable.
Never be weak.
Never be human.
Try not to speak.

In photos, the only way you can tell the difference between a "Mistress" and a "slave girl", most of the time is by whether she is standing or kneeling. Sometimes, you can't tell, even then.

And, apparently, both are 24/7 jobs of enforced activity, to heighten the male sense and drain the male libido.

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Heather was brilliant during those exchanges.  That, alone, made it worth reading.

<BLUSH!> Thanks.

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
It was spawned by Focus50's thread on the same topic but with less BS in the OP.

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

Holy fuckamoly, people.  The OP has a real and serious point.  It really is like that, in stereotypical images of both female dominance and female submission. 

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I'm not talking about local communities and Munches; they tend to have built in reality checks that the online scene lacks. 

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But where those expectations do exist, women either go pro, leave in annoyance, or spend a lot of time and energy setting and enforcing their personal boundaries to avoid being treated as things. 

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I would ask that we give it the respect it deserves. 

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
It was spawned by Focus50's thread on the same topic but with less BS in the OP.

Where the fuck do you see BS in the original post on this thread? 

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In photos, the only way you can tell the difference between a "Mistress" and a "slave girl", most of the time is by whether she is standing or kneeling. Sometimes, you can't tell, even then.