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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 3:19:38 PM   
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A whole lot about this guy's posts bug me, but this bit really stuck out to me:
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the golden era of BDSM
What sheer and utter idiocy. Complete and unmitigated balderdash & bullshit. See here you uppity little whippersnapper, if there is a "golden era of BDSM", THIS is it. You don't get arrested, you have clubs, you have munches and all the rest of the paraphernalia associated with the bogus "community" you so adore, there are websites like this one and Fet that are dedicated to getting you together with others who want to do the same thing you do. You aren't going to be committed to a mental hospital for liking your ass whupped.

You are in the Golden Age, and it's being wasted on you  BDSM was around long before the first Leather families, long before the Old Guard, long before de Sade. it started way back at Lescaeux when some cro magnon slapped a woman and instead of hitting him with a rock, she got turned on. Understand me, it's part of human nature, it always has been and always will be, and as such it requires no organizing or community to reach it's full potential. Nor does it require any rules or anything else. All it needs is two people who want to do it. Too many people seem to think that BDSM began in 1949, it didn't.

As to the OP. Damn right. "The community" is a pipedream of those who are simply unable to stand on their own, who need to pretend there is something special about what it is we do. There isn't. It's just the way we like to do it, nothing more, nothing better about it, no more intense or deep an emotional bond. As for local communities such as that mentioned by VC, or those frequented by LadyP, those are a different thing altogether, but as Hannah pointed out, and has been made obvious by various people's experiences with various different groups, they are all different, and often not even on speaking terms with other groups that make up the supposed "community".  There's more commonality and "community" at the U.N.




What M and I do is bdsm related........ we is part of a big old crowd........except that aren't. We've met one person that we could bear to be with...in over 10 yrs. ( we clearly aren't trying...:))

It's not easy when your offspring understand M/s and bdsm far better than people you run across in groups and online.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 3:28:37 PM   
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I comment in the various non-bdsm discussions because I've already seen a  million versions of the same few questions in the bdsm forums.

Never been interested in munches.  Been to 1 event and it was ok but probably not something I'd spend that much money on again.

I've met a whole bunch of folks from here in real (aka meat) life, others I talk to on the phone.  The P&R meeting could be a hoot simply because there are some interesting folks there (at least the ones you don't want to paintball on sight) and it's a chance to meet them all in one fell swoop.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 3:50:49 PM   
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I get a good feeling "from CM" all the time. I'm afraid it might be one sided. That's never stopped me before, though. :)


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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 6:11:32 PM   
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First, it's odd to me that some people think that BDSM is only about kinky sex or the way we fuck or whatever (and I am not even pointing this to the OP, but just some people in general), but how some of the same people get so offended when people come on to the boards looking for what some consider "wank material" (they may be and they may not even be). If it's all about the kinky sex then why do so many slaves/subs/Ms/Ds lament over doing the right thing within their relationships, why do things like "internal enslavement" mean so much to so many? Sometimes it isn't all about kinky sex, sometimes it IS VERY MUCH deeper than that. Why aren't the message boards nothing but glorified cyber sex rooms? (there is sometimes really ALOT of useful information to be found here) if it is ONLY about the kinky sex aspect of things?

And yes, things other than BDSM are discussed and debated and ignored etc, which is exactly what happens when groups of people gather. A group of doctors or scrapbookers or whatever get together and talk about their common point but they venture out from that and still discuss other topics as well.

As for the whole community thing. There are communities at large and smaller communities within those communities. I live in a community...a bunch of people who live in the same county or city. Do I know them? (some of them) Do I want to know or care about them? (the ones I know and in a small part some of the ones I don't know, as human beings, as people within my community but that's it) Do we all do the same things and live in the same exact houses and love the same and live the same? (Thank God NO)

Why is the BDSM such a hard thing to think exists? There is the community at large; there is the online community; the CM community; the FL community the IE/Slave Reg community etc etc.; There are communities in alot of cities/communities and within those communities are smaller communities and even cliques and couples (the smallest community) Some of us have the same beliefs and feelings as others ALMOST to a tee, other's have some overlapping things but are otherwise different and some have VAST night and day different thoughts, feelings and practices. Some of us are very willing and open to helping newbies to the community; some could give a flying rats ass about newbies-oldbies-spelling bees. Some love the debate and some love to gain knowledge and perspectives different from their own and sometimes those things overlap

It may be a dysfuntional community (cause aren't they ALL depending on your own perspective?) But it is a community none the less.


Where I stand in the "community"- I love the kinky sex part but can't live without the emotional and mental aspects of being in a M/s relationship; I love to socialize and am willing to learn from and teach newbies and oldbies alike. I like some, could give a rats ass about others and would most likely detest others and block them or just ignore them.

Just my 10 cents
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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 6:19:15 PM   
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Unfortunately, most new folks getting an interest in this stuff have the misconception that the sun rises and sets in the kink world because they have come along.  It doesn't.  We were doing this shit before they showed up and it won't matter one fucking bit if they go away.  My world doesn't magically change because somebody out there wakes up one day and decides they are kinky.  I'm thrilled for you.  Really.  I am.  Have the time of your life doing it. 

At the same time, I'm not going to kid you about where you are on the food chain.  The meal will still get served whether you're sitting at the table or not.
This.

I'll also add that regardless of anything else this D/s still a relationship. It requires effort, dealing with reality and some freaking common sense. Take off the freaking rose colored glasses. A collar is not the brass ring that win you a prize. And if you've over romanticized this to point where it's all fluff and flowers, you've got a shock coming. It's not a higher plane of consciousness. It's not a freaking gift.

I've been doing this 20 years.....and I've seen the same thing over and over and over. If my being harsh on someone saves them from doing something stupid then it's all good.


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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 6:22:00 PM   
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Bah, if your relationship would be doomed without the kink factor, then it is just a doomed with it, it only might take you a while longer to realize it.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 6:46:27 PM   
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First, it's odd to me that some people think that BDSM is only about kinky sex or the way we fuck or whatever (and I am not even pointing this to the OP, but just some people in general), but how some of the same people get so offended when people come on to the boards looking for what some consider "wank material" (they may be and they may not even be).
well even though this wasn't pointed at me <yea right, pull the other fucking leg> i'll respond. the reason i don't like people coming on here for their wank fodder is because they are asking me to get them off without doing fuck all for me. it doesn't offend me, i just don't like people trying to use me, call me weird, but i had enough of that shit already in my life. i did the get off on me bit, i don't intend to do it anymore.

i said a long time ago i'd give wank fodder, no problem, show me your tits and you get some fodder, but you're getting fuck all if i don't get something out of it.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 6:56:21 PM   
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First, it's odd to me that some people think that BDSM is only about kinky sex or the way we fuck or whatever (and I am not even pointing this to the OP, but just some people in general), but how some of the same people get so offended when people come on to the boards looking for what some consider "wank material" (they may be and they may not even be).
well even though this wasn't pointed at me <yea right, pull the other fucking leg> i'll respond. the reason i don't like people coming on here for their wank fodder is because they are asking me to get them off without doing fuck all for me. it doesn't offend me, i just don't like people trying to use me, call me weird, but i had enough of that shit already in my life. i did the get off on me bit, i don't intend to do it anymore.

i said a long time ago i'd give wank fodder, no problem, show me your tits and you get some fodder, but you're getting fuck all if i don't get something out of it.


Well it obviously doesn't really bother you, which, as I said in my post,it wasn't directed at you (no pulling of legs, hair or anything else),Just something that made me think... (and I know that I am new BACK here, and you don't know me, but if I meant to point something directly to someone I would just do it, not in a shitty way but I wouldn't pretend that I wasn't directing something at the intended target)

It is ALL too typical for some seeming HNG or actual troll to come on these boards either genuinely seeking advice or looking for jack material and some people get ALLLLLLLLLL kinds of offended. If its all about kinky sex then why should it bother anyone? It would seem if it were all about kinky sex then it would be the norm and we'd welcome the wankin' and pass the cyber lube. But it is more than kinky sex to alot of people.

Just sayin'
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Edited to add a but.It's always about the but


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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:07:38 PM   
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If its all about kinky sex then why should it bother anyone?
i already gave you the fucking answer. it has fuck all to do with what bdsm is about, it has to do with being used by some random cyber jerk to get their jollies off with fuck all in it for us.

now don't come back and ask the same fucking question again, i know what point your trying to make, but your question and it's premise don't fucking make that point. anyway i'm not going down that path on this thread, if you want to argue that point then go do it on the appropriate thread. here's the thread to do that in: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3793256/tm.htm

but you won't get too many takers as we're all pretty fagged out on that topic for the nonce, try raise it in three or four months and we should all be ready for another go round.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:11:03 PM   
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When I get some feel-good feeling from CM I'll celebrate.......lol

I get a good feeling "from CM" all the time. I'm afraid it might be one sided. That's never stopped me before, though. :)



Well, you're weird....... one of your best attributes, actually.


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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:25:35 PM   
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First, it's odd to me that some people think that BDSM is only about kinky sex or the way we fuck or whatever (and I am not even pointing this to the OP, but just some people in general), but how some of the same people get so offended when people come on to the boards looking for what some consider "wank material" (they may be and they may not even be).
well even though this wasn't pointed at me <yea right, pull the other fucking leg> i'll respond. the reason i don't like people coming on here for their wank fodder is because they are asking me to get them off without doing fuck all for me. it doesn't offend me, i just don't like people trying to use me, call me weird, but i had enough of that shit already in my life. i did the get off on me bit, i don't intend to do it anymore.

i said a long time ago i'd give wank fodder, no problem, show me your tits and you get some fodder, but you're getting fuck all if i don't get something out of it.


Hannah, they aren't using you. No-one really cares about you.......or me. No-one is trying to elicit anything personal................... but to you it seems they are. x

Yeah it offends you, bigtime.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:35:41 PM   
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If its all about kinky sex then why should it bother anyone?
i already gave you the fucking answer. it has fuck all to do with what bdsm is about, it has to do with being used by some random cyber jerk to get their jollies off with fuck all in it for us.

now don't come back and ask the same fucking question again, i know what point your trying to make, but your question and it's premise don't fucking make that point.


You are obviously missing my point, maybe you're dense, or maybe you are just trying ultra hard to be an asshole who just needs to say fuck as many times as she can to make herself sound as tough and hard-assed as possible because she was used by people too many times in her life and has had enough of that shit (your words mostly) (maybe if you could stop thinking FUCK you could actually hear what I was saying)

Oh, and yes, this was directed at you OP, see, no leg pulling, direct and to the point.

Every community needs an asshole or two




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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:36:46 PM   
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i keep seeing people post shit like "people in the community should be more welcoming", or "being hard on newbies will drive them away from the lifestyle". so fucking what i say. who gives a crap if some random person gets into wiitwd or not. what the fuck are you, some sort of bdsm proselyte? out to spread the word?

this isn't a community, there is no community, not online not offline, it's just a bunch of random people who like doing sick-ass shit to other people. all we have in common is the way we fuck. if that defines who you are so deeply, then fucked if your not in the wading pool of life. bdsm is just fancy fucking, and this "community" is no more a "community" than people who like knitting are.

sweet mary's tits! we are people from vastly divergent lives, worlds and experiences who just happen to have somewhat vaguely convergent interests in how we like our sex and personal relationships. that implies no obligation to be in anyway supportive, understanding or helpful to anybody. ask a stupid fucking question, get a stupid fucking answer, just like in the real world.

why do people seem to think there is more to this shit, where does this backasswards idea of a "community" come from? and why do they think we are any fucking different than any other group of random people?



Personally, I don't have any interest in being part of a BDSM community. However, I have no issue if someone else considers people they go to munches with or attend seminars with to be part of a BDSM community, anymore than a group of runners might consider themselves part of a community.

I agree that it's silly and judgmental for people to think there is only one correct way to do things in BDSM (their way). But honestly, I find your post just as judgmental as that attitude.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:40:08 PM   
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I feel sorry for you
oh christ, just what we don't fucking need. another airie fairie its all deep and spiritual dipshit.

wake the fuck up.


LOL I nearly peed myself.   I am glad someone finally said this shit.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:45:09 PM   
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I guess I'm the lone dissent here.  While I don't really accept the notion of an online "community"--and I absolutely promise--I will NOT be pulling out the dictionary here, I came into BDSM differently from some of the other folks, and for that reason, I did find a sense of community.  Here goes:

For me, It was San Franciso in the early 90's. First--I was different myself--I was a leatherdyke, and I had very little to no interaction with straight kinky folks. In fact, we never used the word "kinky" since that was what "the straight people called it.'  Anyway, I did find a sense of community.  All of my friends were leatherdykes, leather daddies & boys and such, we socialized at leather bars, ate at leather-owned restaurants where we could go out in our skins and it felt natural.  The shops and businesses we patronized were all within our circle.  There were street fairs every year (Dore Alley was my favorite--it was small and quaint then...)

My doctor....my barber....my mailstop owners...my landlord--all in the leather/BDSM community.  We had our own leather/BDSM newspapers and newsletters--at least three of them monthlies--numerous zines and magazines (I was on staff of one such publication collective) and it seemed like there were so many social events (coffee nights, bar nights, cabaret, motorcyle runs, political groups, civic groups) that it was often hard to choose what to do on any particular weekend.  The BDSM/Leather AA meeting got so large, it had to move to a bigger space, and it wasn't unusual to have 30 people or more or any given Friday night. Play parties were frequent, and it was rare that we saw completely new faces.  I worked at several of the dungeons, so there were about 200 or so regulars, that I knew and saw on a monthly basis.

If you had no family nearby or noplace to go on Thanksgiving, Christmas etc.  you could almost be guaranteed one of the local leather couples would open up their home to anyone who needed a place so they wouldn't be alone.  I never spent a single holiday by myself--every single one I spent with my leather families.  Every year, my circle got bigger and bigger.

We had groups devoted to education and orientation, connecting seasoned players with novices. We didn't belittle or make fun of people who didn't know anything and asked what on CollarMe get called "stupid questions." --I felt that I was always judged by my actions and how I carried myself. And it was more about gaining respect and earning the trust on a bigger scale.  Reputation was important. If you wanted to "flame" someone--you couldn't do it anonymously.  You had to have the nads to say it to someone's face--talking badly about someone behind their back often reflected poorly on the source, not the subject.

There were plenty of colors (leather clubs) as well--and it just seemed like you could just as easily make your own niche if you couldn't find your own.  I flagged every day--picking my flag probably the way some decide what shoes to wear. 

The leather community was large--on Gay Day, there would be so many out and about, it would boggle the mind.  It was NOT all kumbaya...we had plenty of rivalries and tiffs.  The gay men didn't always welcome the dykes into their space, and vice versa. The transgender folks didn't really fit in anywhere. The only thing we often agreed on what how we didn't like the "straight" folks coming into the dungeons because we didn't like how they played.  [No, the irony isn't lost on me. Maybe it's karma.  I hate the fact that I'm now a straight man who is now resigned to have to play only in straight leatherspaces, but so be it.]

A good friend (and Master) was hit by a car as she rode her motorcycle to work, the news spread via word of mouth very quickly.  (no cell phones then) Within hours, the hospital filled with leatherfolks.  Many knew her personally--some knew her from seeing her around in the dungeons, a few just knew her by reputation.  We took care of her, round the clock, and split up all of her needs--those of us with medical skills helped change her dressings and check her medication ports; one cooked, one cleaned, one repaired her leathers that we retrieved from the medics; another ensured that her co-workers were kept in the loop.  Another handled more delicate family affairs.  Even those who didn't know her well, offered whatever help they could. We made sure that everything was taken care of, so that her focus could be on recovery.

This was my community.  It was not in my head, it was very tangible, very real and very special to me.

Personally, for me, I blame the internet.  While it may have helped millions of people find resources, information and not feel alone--I always felt that it killed the personal connections that made my community flourish.  I still get out there and meet people at munches, events, parties and such.  But I really don't feel the sense of community that once was such an integral part of my life.

So Hannah, and those who have voiced your disbelief that community ever existed, I can only promise you that in some parts of the country, a goodly number of years ago, it did. It really, really did.   I don't know why it's gone, and I don't believe it may ever come back, but it was a wonderful thing at the time.  I didn't need to look it up in a dictionary-- I knew what I had.

I've never seen a live dinosaur, but I know they walked the earth.   They may not have a place in today's food chain, but they are a part of our history. I'm sorry that so many of you have never experienced this firsthand but please don't be so quick to dismiss as non-existent.

Thanks for reading.  Just a different viewpoint on this.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:48:05 PM   
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Personally, I don't have any interest in being part of a BDSM community. However, I have no issue if someone else considers people they go to munches with or attend seminars with to be part of a BDSM community, anymore than a group of runners might consider themselves part of a community.
and if you'd actually read the thread you'd see that isn't what i was talking about.

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I agree that it's silly and judgmental for people to think there is only one correct way to do things in BDSM (their way). But honestly, I find your post just as judgmental as that attitude.
and if you'd actually read the post you quoted you'd see i never once mentioned anything to do with there being "only one correct way" so how the fuck can you agree with me on that, i didn't say it. so given that you say my op is judgmental and you haven't even read it, well pffffft! so much for your opinion holding any weight eh?

i know i said this place was all about telling others what you fucking think about shit, but for the love of the zombie god, try leavening your posts with a little of that reality you say you're seeking.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:50:35 PM   
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Go back 30 years and you would never survive in the BDSM lifestyle. Not with this fuck all attitude you have. For you it's just kinky sex, but the golden era of BDSM was never about solely kinky sex. It was about the familial connections that were made and shared. Of course, there was kinky sex involved, but it was so much more then that. And it still is. And once you accept that and join in you will realize that BDSM has so much more to offer you then just "kinky sex"
  And just how the fuck would you know what it was like 30 years ago---your ass was not even born.   I began in the lifestyle when your ass was still wetting in a pair of pampers --it was NOT about the familial connections that were made at least not in my relationship.   Honestly it was MORE about kinky sex then---AIDS wasn't a huge concern 30 yrs ago.   Where are you getting your information from anyways?  

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:51:56 PM   
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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 7:56:06 PM   
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I was thinking that  or Urban Dictionary.

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RE: what fucking community? - 8/12/2011 8:00:44 PM   
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leather is a community, that's practically the whole fucking point of it with you guys. it's the nebulous community that leather is supposedly a part of i was referring to. the amorphous bdsm one that somehow includes us all. but, as always hausboy, thanks for your perspective, i love reading you reminiscences. they speak to me on a really deep level and give me a glimpse of a life i can relate to, but never really knew existed.

which brings me to another point. if there is this huge fucking global community, how come i never heard shit about the leather folk before, eh?

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