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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:20:55 PM

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What law is that...in the US?

Do you ever bother to check anything before you put your foot in your mouth yet another time?

Refusing to Service a Customer - Entrepreneur Resources ...

Although laws vary from state to state, business owners typically cannot refuse service to customers based on the following:

Religious, social or racial background: Exclusion of any person due to racial background, social class or religious preference is prohibited.

Age:A business establishment cannot arbitrarily exclude a would-be customer from its premises strictly because of the person's age. There are some exceptions, however, in which age can be used to deny service (e.g. serving alcohol).

Sexual preference: Exclusion of men or women, whether homosexual or heterosexual, is considered arbitrary discrimination. Don't do it.

Sexual identity: Restaurants cannot refuse service to transgender individuals. In addition, restaurants cannot refuse to allow transgender individuals to use their restrooms.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:31:26 PM

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Discrimination at privately owned businesses is still unconstitutional, if it affects "interstate commerce". That was the basis for discrimination suits based on race against private businesses. "Interstate commerce" has a very broad definition. But are gays considered a protected class under the Constitution? I don't think so, but does anyone know?

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Two reasons, I would imagine. First, it's probably illegal. Second, many heteros or sex-only bis would tend to avoid a place that was openly anti-gay, all things being equal, which they might never find out otherwise.

How would it be illegal? Stupid, yes. Illegal? Its a privately owned store.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:31:28 PM

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Tolerance runs both ways.

Why should the business owner be forced to be tolerant of something her religious beliefs say are wrong without others being tolerant of her religious beliefs?

Sigh!!!!!

Businesses cannot refuse service based on that.

It's pretty fundamental anti-discrimination law.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:34:08 PM

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This article is not really legal authority. It doesn't even cite any statutes.

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Refusing to Service a Customer - Entrepreneur Resources ...

Although laws vary from state to state, business owners typically cannot refuse service to customers based on the following:

Religious, social or racial background: Exclusion of any person due to racial background, social class or religious preference is prohibited.

Age:A business establishment cannot arbitrarily exclude a would-be customer from its premises strictly because of the person's age. There are some exceptions, however, in which age can be used to deny service (e.g. serving alcohol).

Sexual preference: Exclusion of men or women, whether homosexual or heterosexual, is considered arbitrary discrimination. Don't do it.

Sexual identity: Restaurants cannot refuse service to transgender individuals. In addition, restaurants cannot refuse to allow transgender individuals to use their restrooms.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:40:16 PM

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Discrimination at privately owned businesses is still unconstitutional, if it affects "interstate commerce". That was the basis for discrimination suits based on race against private businesses. "Interstate commerce" has a very broad definition. But are gays considered a protected class under the Constitution? I don't think so, but does anyone know?

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Two reasons, I would imagine. First, it's probably illegal. Second, many heteros or sex-only bis would tend to avoid a place that was openly anti-gay, all things being equal, which they might never find out otherwise.

How would it be illegal? Stupid, yes. Illegal? Its a privately owned store.

New Jersey has a very broad anti discrimination law.
http://www.nj.gov/oag/dcr/accom.html

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:40:54 PM

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Oh Hunkie she is just a manager, she way over stepped herself. Corporate is not gonna just stand by while this rolls across the internet.

You will be hearing how sorry she is soon.

Absolutely, because she has a very viable lawsuit despite what some on here believe.

And I can site many similar cases that have resulted in large settlements.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:41:46 PM

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She is the owner as well.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:43:33 PM

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Yep. Under that law, there is the basis for a lawsuit.

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Discrimination at privately owned businesses is still unconstitutional, if it affects "interstate commerce". That was the basis for discrimination suits based on race against private businesses. "Interstate commerce" has a very broad definition. But are gays considered a protected class under the Constitution? I don't think so, but does anyone know?

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Two reasons, I would imagine. First, it's probably illegal. Second, many heteros or sex-only bis would tend to avoid a place that was openly anti-gay, all things being equal, which they might never find out otherwise.

How would it be illegal? Stupid, yes. Illegal? Its a privately owned store.

New Jersey has a very broad anti discrimination law.
http://www.nj.gov/oag/dcr/accom.html

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:45:06 PM

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Yeah. Federal law doesn't apply. State law surely does.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:48:51 PM

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Wikipedia, for what it is worth, indicates that 21 states prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 1:53:02 PM

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Only 29 more to go!

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 2:17:43 PM

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This article is not really legal authority. It doesn't even cite any statutes.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

e?

Refusing to Service a Customer - Entrepreneur Resources ...

Although laws vary from state to state, business owners typically cannot refuse service to customers based on the following:

Religious, social or racial background: Exclusion of any person due to racial background, social class or religious preference is prohibited.

Age:A business establishment cannot arbitrarily exclude a would-be customer from its premises strictly because of the person's age. There are some exceptions, however, in which age can be used to deny service (e.g. serving alcohol).

Sexual preference: Exclusion of men or women, whether homosexual or heterosexual, is considered arbitrary discrimination. Don't do it.

Sexual identity: Restaurants cannot refuse service to transgender individuals. In addition, restaurants cannot refuse to allow transgender individuals to use their restrooms.

Have you heard of Google? Because I'm getting real tired of doing basic research for people.

But here you go:

The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to ...

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

....In addition to the protections against discrimination provided under federal law, many states have passed their own Civil Rights Acts that provide broader protections than the Federal Civil Rights Act. For example, California's Unruh Civil Rights Act makes it illegal to discriminate against individuals based on unconventional dress or sexual preference.

In the 1960s, the Unruh Civil Rights Act was interpreted to provide broad protection from arbitrary discrimination by business owners. Cases decided during that era held that business owners could not discriminate, for example, against hippies, police officers, homosexuals, or Republicans, solely because of who they were.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 7:38:49 PM

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Only 29 more to go!

...... and counting

It's entirely appropriate that business services face consequences for displaying such open bigotry. Hiding behind religion (or any other transparent excuse for bigotry) is displaying contempt for principles of social inclusion and equality.

Such Neanderthal thinking and behaviour is totally unacceptable in today's world.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 9:12:17 PM

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The owner was bragging to ABC that people just dont care. Since this story hit, she insists people are flocking to her store and throwing money at her.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nj-bridal-shop-refused-sell-wedding-dress-lesbian/story?id=14342333

She tells a slightly different version of the story. But there is more than enough in what she owns up too to have that tsory make trouble for herself.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 11:35:56 PM

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A lot of people are saying its because of her religious beliefs, but I haven't seen anything to warrant that. in fact rather the opposite.

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You know what's strange? When I called Donna yesterday to get her side of the story, she both confirmed your version of events and accused you of "stirring up drama." She said that your writing the word "partner" was basically a provocation, evidence of a need "to show that she's different."

"They get that way," she told me.

By "they," she meant women who were fed up with men because "men can be difficult," and so now they "experiment" with female relationships because they're tired of having men boss them around.

She told me about a friend whose wife left him for another woman. And about a young family member who was molested by a same-sex adult male. And about a gay man who once plunged a knife into a chair in the restaurant where she worked. And - she finally lost me here - something about the Navy SEALs.

"It's a lot of drama," she said.

She also found you "aggressive," didn't appreciate your cursing and thought I should speak with your father before writing this column, as she "sensed" his disappointment in your decision to marry a woman.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-08-18/news/29900898_1_bridal-shop-dresses-gay-marriage/2

Seems she neglected to mention her deep religious convictions when she was called and asked about the incident. Also note that the disappointed father was with his daughter going to a bridal shop, doesn't sound like something a deeply disappointed father would do to me.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 11:45:57 PM

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Interesting how her story changed from the first interview to the ABC one isn't it?

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 11:52:02 PM

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"When I mentioned it to her, 'Oh, I see you crossed out groom and put in partner,' I got a barrage," Saber said. "I literally got a barrage of 'bigot' and other really cruel words...I might be the kind of person that when you get at me, I might continue the fight, and maybe I shouldn't say this, but I have my beliefs. I did say that I, to the best of my knowledge in the state of New Jersey, that we do operate in New Jersey. If she had remained calm, I would have been able to tell her, that it's illegal, it's an illegal action, that her marriage was illegal in NJ. "

Genter had her own account of what happened. "She said she wouldn't work with me because I'm gay," Genter told Philadelphia Daily News columnist Ronnie Polaneczky. "She also said that I came from a nice Jewish family, and it was a shame that I was gay. She said, 'There's right, and there's wrong. And this is wrong.'"

Saber says that she does regret her words towards Genter and said that on Friday afternoon she left Genter a voicemail expressing apology for her behavior.

From the ABC site above.

Why apologize if she did nothing wrong?

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 11:54:00 PM

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Interesting how her story changed from the first interview to the ABC one isn't it?

lol.. was just posting on that. Yeah... and for a woman who claims so many are throwing mo ney at her, why is she apologizing?

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/23/2011 11:57:30 PM

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How fucking stupid. I used to work for Linda Bean of the LL. Bean dynasty. She is a major anti-gay neo-con. She was asked to leave the board of directors of her company for this kind of shit. I also own a business with my ex-husband, and I assure you I deal with people I would never want to deal with in my private life. Tough shit for me, I have to cater to those people too. In my part time job as a bartender, I have served visibly pregnant women alcohol, and there isn't a thing I can do about it, it's illegal to not serve them unless they are visibly intoxicated. I have to smile and make that idiot a drink.

Yes, I could quit all these jobs I suppose. Not going to happen though. I don't have a trust fund so I guess I will just continue to deal with them.

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RE: You're gay? No dress for you! - 8/24/2011 12:15:27 AM

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Many OBGYN's are changing their tunes on alcohol for pregnant women.

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