LanceHughes
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather
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it is a lack of any fucking belief.
No Hun, it's not. God is a religious concept, and the question of the existence or non-existence of a god is a question of religious significance, it is in fact the most fundamental of religious questions.
Atheism is a belief on one particular answer to that question, the lack of a god is a religious stance. It is a belief that negates most religions, but it is still a belief regarding the most basic of religious questions, therefore it is a religious belief.
You, and the other atheists do in fact have religious beliefs in as much as you have beliefs on religious issues and questions.
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
come on lance, there's a fucking hole in her logic there somewhere, i just can't find it yet.
Well, on first glane, she's defining what she wants to prove. Circular argument is what I call it. Is that the "hole" you're looking for? LOL!
Let's strip it down:
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She writes:
God is a religious concept, and the question of the existence or non-existence of a god is a question of religious significance, it is in fact the most fundamental of religious questions.
That wasn't too hard. That first sentence gives it up. Take out "God is a religious concept," since that's a "DUH." Then take out "or non-existence" since that's redundant. Take out "it is in fact, the most fundamental of religious questions." since that's a "DUH" again. We're left with:
The question of the existence of a god is a question of religious significance.
Not sure that's true, unless you want to define it that way. The "existence question" more often falls under the subject of Philosophy.
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Atheism is a belief [in] one particular answer to that question, the lack of a god is a religious stance.
She left out "thus...the lack of a god is...." Again, defining Atheism as what she wants to define it as.
My definition? A-theism is what the Latin break-down says which is literally "without gawd." Madalyn Murray O'Hare made the following statement before the Supreme Court: (Murray v. Curlett)
"Your petitioners are Atheists, and they define their lifestyle as follows. An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist accepts that heaven is something for which we should work now, here on earth, for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer, but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and to enjoy it. An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to reach a life of fulfillment."
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Continuing. She writes:
It is a belief that negates most religions, but it is still a belief regarding the most basic of religious questions, therefore it is a religious belief.
"Most religions"? Not on my watch. First of all, a philosophy can't "negate" another. Again, that sentence is so very, very circular, makes me dizzy to read it. I was trying to decide which part to strip out as redudant and the fucker went "Poof" right before my eyes. You try it. See if you can find anything there except a restatement of "Atheism is a form of religion because I say so."
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And the conclusion is a re-statement of the premise
You, and the other atheists do in fact have religious beliefs in as much as you have beliefs on religious issues and questions.
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Slightly different than RealOne, but very much the same:
Religions are based on belief.
You have beliefs.
Therefore you are religious.
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Corrected argument. NOT correct argument. That is, corrected argument from their point of view so that the holes are obvious:
Religions are based on religious belief.
You have belief that there is no God (and that is a religious belief because I say so.)
Therefore you are religious.
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You are MOST welcome, Hannah
< Message edited by LanceHughes -- 10/11/2011 10:45:50 PM >
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