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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 2:34:00 PM   
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Then why all this shite about confuscianism?




Thats supposed to be my question to you, since its your position, unvalidated I might add, not mine.





Sweetie, until you can provide a coherent argument that a secular philosophy with no formal structure or cult leaders is a religion, there's nothing for me to debunk. Sorry, but that's how debate works here on our planet.

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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 2:34:08 PM   
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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 2:37:09 PM   
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Then why all this shite about confuscianism?




Thats supposed to be my question to you, since its your position, unvalidated I might add, not mine.






If you heard whatever from confucious and you made a conscious decision to practice it to govern your life by it etc then it IS YOUR RELIGION.

Therefore confucianism is a religion for those who accept it as such and any claim by outside sources to the contrary is mere unsubstantiated opinion with regard to the owner.

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That is your post, and your shite (invalidated, and it goes without saying) number 622.

Confuscing innit?

Your attempts to confute by confuscious are in no wise credible.

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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 2:40:25 PM   
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Then why all this shite about confuscianism?




Thats supposed to be my question to you, since its your position, unvalidated I might add, not mine.





Sweetie, until you can provide a coherent argument that a secular philosophy with no formal structure or cult leaders is a religion, there's nothing for me to debunk. Sorry, but that's how debate works here on our planet.


well first off you presume you have something to debunk which is your first error since it is you who has been debunked.

secondly you must prove that religion requires a corporate body and is not individual to even begin to qualify that claim.

You keep going back to your PRESUMED requirement for state approval as a qualifier for a religion to be a religion.  NOT.

People from the UK are extremely authority co-dependent ever notice that?





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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 2:43:31 PM   
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That is your post, and your shite (invalidated, and it goes without saying) number 622.

Confuscing innit?

Your attempts to confute by confuscious are in no wise credible.


Again:


you are side stepping the matter.

My logic is pristine.

Belief is part of the thinking process by every definition available.

I explained this before.

If you make a mental determination, and acceptance thereof, once that act occurred you now believe the outcome of your mental determination is or will be correct.  (lying to others or yourself notwithstanding)

Therefore regardless of ones choice to believe or not believe, with regard to the the subject matter, the resultant action is in fact still a belief, and the person accepting said decision has faith in their ability to be correct and belief in the outcome regardless.

Therefore "not believe" that atheists use is a specious argument that falls on its face as it cannot be correctly attached to the process involved.

Now religion in its essence is a fundamental set beliefs that one has accepted and uses to govern their actions.

Same with the word God.  You can worship any God you like, it can be anything from a diety to the government to a sacred fart, or even deify yourself. 

Now that is where I am coming from and I have not heard anything that defeats or even dents this position since it is the precise sequence of events in accord with known definitions on the topic. 

If you heard whatever from confucious and you made a conscious decision to practice it to govern your life by it etc then it IS YOUR RELIGION.

Nowhere in the "Freedom of religion and exercise thereof" does it say "State acknowledged" religion, "academically acknowledged" religion, "philisophicaly acknowledged" religion et al.

That said once I declare something my religion who has the legitimate authority to challenge my claim?

Therefore confucianism is a religion for those who accept it as such and any claim by outside sources to the contrary is mere unsubstantiated opinion with regard to the owner.

As I said I see no measuring stick that anyone can use aside from someones religion causing personal or equitable injury.

Any color of law rule ordinance whatever to enforce anything beyond personal or equitable injury is government intrusion, abridgement and abuse.



Did that clear it up?


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 3:24:52 PM   
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My logic is pristine.


I dont care how many times you say it, your logic is pristine only by reason of its lack of application.

It does not clear it up.

a belief system is not a neccesary and sufficient condition to describe a religion (a faith system).

I believe I am going to have bacon and eggs for breakfast tomorrow can be said faithlessly. I love you is expressed as a universal belief, and just as universally, faithlessly. (you cheating whore!!!! Well, I meant it at the time....)

a belief system generally, no matter how misguided, contains elements of empirical evidence.

a faith system (religious) generally eschews evidentiary artifact.



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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 3:32:24 PM   
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Again:
My logic is pristine.


I dont care how many times you say it, your logic is pristine only by reason of its lack of application.

It does not clear it up.

a belief system is not a neccesary and sufficient condition to describe a religion (a faith system).

I believe I am going to have bacon and eggs for breakfast tomorrow can be said faithlessly. I love you is expressed as a universal belief, and just as universally, faithlessly. (you cheating whore!!!! Well, I meant it at the time....)

How does that govern your life?


a belief system generally, no matter how misguided, contains elements of empirical evidence. [citation please]

a faith system (religious) generally eschews evidentiary artifact. [citation please]




Now if I believe bacon and eggs will keep me strong and healthy and help prolong my life, now what?


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 3:40:42 PM   
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then you better start chewing on your arm and taking quarter hour enemas.

you have just crossed the line from belief to faith. As I said at the outset, cuz I didnt get into this rookery until several posts ago, one eschews empirical evidence that does not agree with the belief system, and I leave it as an exercise to the reader which one.

And that blue shit you are posting? Sophmoric. Belief systems of bacon and eggs do not govern my life. Never mind that governance has not one fucking thing to do with it.

Kinsey Institute did a study in 1954, 'The Female Orgasm', perhaps you have heard of it..in a nutshell non-practicing or lapsed catholic girls were your best bet for a blowjob.

Has to do with venality and belief systems and faith systems and all that rot, but mostly its about the dick.


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/22/2011 4:07:43 PM   
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Thats fine, like moonhead,  I accept that you have no citations what so ever, not even the dictionary and that your statement is based solely on roncrockery.

next....


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 12:52:57 AM   
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I just would like to remind the criteria I mentioned for qualifying something as "religion". They can be used on the different kinds of Confucianism. Post http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3883264


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 5:41:19 AM   
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Is this one of those "I am, therefore I am a religion" threads?





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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 6:29:27 AM   
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Thats fine, like moonhead,  I accept that you have no citations what so ever, not even the dictionary and that your statement is based solely on roncrockery.

Moonhead is still waiting for you to cite a citation that confuscianism is too a religion, sweetie. That's why Moonhead has found nothing in your tirade of drivel to debunk, dig? You just came out with a daft statement, and acted like it was a proven fact rather than a bizarre personal interpretation nobody else holds. That isn't so much an argument as a psychosis, you'll find.


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 8:23:05 AM   
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Thats fine, like moonhead,  I accept that you have no citations what so ever, not even the dictionary and that your statement is based solely on roncrockery.

Moonhead is still waiting for you to cite a citation that confuscianism is too a religion, sweetie. That's why Moonhead has found nothing in your tirade of drivel to debunk, dig? You just came out with a daft statement, and acted like it was a proven fact rather than a bizarre personal interpretation nobody else holds. That isn't so much an argument as a psychosis, you'll find.





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"Belief is part of the thinking process by every definition available.

I explained this before.

If you make a mental determination, and acceptance thereof, once that act occurred you now believe the outcome of your mental determination is or will be correct. (lying to others or yourself notwithstanding)

Therefore regardless of ones choice to believe or not believe, with regard to the the subject matter, the resultant action is in fact still a belief, and the person accepting said decision has faith in their ability to be correct and belief in the outcome regardless.

Therefore "not believe" that atheists use is a specious argument that falls on its face as it cannot be correctly attached to the process involved.

Now religion in its essence is a fundamental set beliefs that one has accepted and uses to govern their actions.

Same with the word God. You can worship any God you like, it can be anything from a diety to the government to a sacred fart, or even deify yourself.

Now that is where I am coming from and I have not heard anything that defeats or even dents this position since it is the precise sequence of events in accord with known definitions on the topic.

If you heard whatever from confucious and you made a conscious decision to practice it to govern your life by it etc then it IS YOUR RELIGION.

Nowhere in the "Freedom of religion and exercise thereof" does it say "State acknowledged" religion, "academically acknowledged" religion, "philisophicaly acknowledged" religion et al.

That said once I declare something my religion who has the legitimate authority to challenge my claim?

Therefore confucianism is a religion for those who accept it as such and any claim by outside sources to the contrary is mere unsubstantiated opinion with regard to the owner.

As I said I see no measuring stick that anyone can use aside from someones religion causing personal or equitable injury.

Any color of law rule ordinance whatever to enforce anything beyond personal or equitable injury is government intrusion, abridgement and abuse."   ~ R1

Did that clear it up?


theres your citation.

Why are you farting around like that?  We both know you do not have a counter argument.

Feel free to MAP out and detail as I have done in my argument what ever you think is a counter argument, and simply saying confucianism is not a religion is NOT mapping out and detailing a counter argument.   But then I expect you know that.


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 8:27:02 AM   
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Is this one of those "I am, therefore I am a religion" threads?








maybe closer to "I believe accept and have faith in what I think as correct and the determinations thereof" and therefore govern my actions accordingly therefore it is my religion.

Which incidentally appears to be the root reasoning the court used.

(well unless what you think have faith in and believe and accept happens to be confucianism, then its not LOLOLOL)  pun intended!




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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 8:29:27 AM   
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That's a strawman, not a citation, dearie.
Try again.


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 8:31:06 AM   
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That's a strawman, not a citation, dearie.
Try again.



nope I just pinched myself and its pretty real.
try again

if you want to drop out and not argue the point fine.

no need to go through all these gymnastics.





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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 8:37:04 AM   
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If you heard whatever from confucious and you made a conscious decision to practice it to govern your life by it etc then it IS YOUR RELIGION.

This barely qualifies as horseshit.
I suggest you pinch yourself a bit harder, and come up with something besides "it's a religion because I say it is".


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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 8:50:00 AM   
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my argument stands until you map and detail otherwise.

you can stand on your soapbox and scream bullshit till hell freezes over and it is meaningless until you counter with an effective argument.

If my argument were "really" bullshit then it would be very easy for you to counter it and disprove it.

but you cant.  LOL 





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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 8:59:51 AM   
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Religion just means to be brought back, look at the Prep. or the Prefix 'RE', Re what? you ever thought about that? well it comes from a Latin word meaning Re-aliment.

What does Atheists have to be BROUGHT BACK to ? lol NOTHING but to the Earth where he come from I guess lol

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RE: Court Rules: Atheism is a Religion - 10/23/2011 9:10:18 AM   
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Re-aliment.
Re-bound, re-bind. It does not change your point, but your point is based in the flawed argument that etimology equals current meaning. Greetings.

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