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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 9:48:54 PM   
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For the record, I have literally never gotten the vibe that AneNoz would be one to instigate.  It is more than likely left-over hostility from before that is keeping some of you on edge and misdirecting.

Her posting can be cryptic at times but I like it.  Hopefully she doesn't dumb it down.


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 9:55:19 PM   
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Answer with clarity? How ironic
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You do not make sense, if you but wish to hint and play at answers, there is no purpose to be served in discussing with you these things. If you do wish to discuss, then answer with clarity that I might know your meaning and thus engage your thought and thus respond.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:02:11 PM   
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Here's some clarity for you: Saying it should be, so it is, is just not true. I *should* be 5' 10" and weigh 120 lbs, but I'm not.
If you think what in your mind "should" have happened did, you're mistaken. Therefore, it should be so it is, is an invalid argument.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:09:54 PM   
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Ke se obideme ovoј јazik togash?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:10:19 PM   
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My point, which appears to be repeatedly missed and/or deliberately twisted, is that even when the girls are wearing their skimpy outfits, the guys aren't going around groping them because they have some flesh showing. Yes, guys can be pigs, and guys that age forget which head to think with on an alarmingly regular basis - but I don't think that the average male is going to be dumb enough to take the shirt as an excuse to grope someone that they didn't already have a "groping" relationship with. And if they did - well, it's going to be the same type of asshole who would do it even without the shirt.


The reason why I see it as worse than a uniform (that as demonstrated by pictures, can be of varying levels of exposure) is because like Amygdalin pointed out, it'll just be a bunch of guys that make crude jokes regarding it. 

Instead of it being, "Trish has a great ass" it'll be, "I bet Trish wants to have her lumps felt."  Congratulations, your entire "purpose" of the slogan was lost. 

Here's something that may part the heavens and turn the sea red: why not just wear a t-shirt saying, "I support breast cancer awareness?"  Maybe something that lists a statistic to really raise awareness? 

I'll tell you why, because it is really quite simple: it's to be an attention whore.  Who are wearing these shirts?  Teen girls.  What do teen girls like?  Attention.  It's an invitation for the hardcore feminist types and their sweater-knitting bitch husbands to have something to make a big deal about and blur the social boundaries while stacking their deck.  Move along.


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:13:36 PM   
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I said no such thing. I but expressed my opinion that the decision was incorrect. The once I said should and is, was but to explain the words used by Epytropos when he did refer to an est ergo debeat fallacy and another asked the meaning.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:18:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AneNoz

Ke se obideme ovoј јazik togash?

Be at peace
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That's cute. I'd prefer English. It is the language used here on Collarchat. Thank you.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:27:07 PM   
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It has become clear that there is no desire among this group to discuss this topic, and thus I shall desist. I will say this last, at the least the child is a child and thus has an excuse for behaving as such. I shall pray to my Goddess that you all are relieved of the anger that at this time has control of you, it is not healthy and is not as it should be. Seek the joy that is in all life.

Shto kerka na drska malku kuche saka ne e od interes za mene

Be at peace
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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:43:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

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My point, which appears to be repeatedly missed and/or deliberately twisted, is that even when the girls are wearing their skimpy outfits, the guys aren't going around groping them because they have some flesh showing. Yes, guys can be pigs, and guys that age forget which head to think with on an alarmingly regular basis - but I don't think that the average male is going to be dumb enough to take the shirt as an excuse to grope someone that they didn't already have a "groping" relationship with. And if they did - well, it's going to be the same type of asshole who would do it even without the shirt.


The reason why I see it as worse than a uniform (that as demonstrated by pictures, can be of varying levels of exposure) is because like Amygdalin pointed out, it'll just be a bunch of guys that make crude jokes regarding it. 

Instead of it being, "Trish has a great ass" it'll be, "I bet Trish wants to have her lumps felt."  Congratulations, your entire "purpose" of the slogan was lost. 

Here's something that may part the heavens and turn the sea red: why not just wear a t-shirt saying, "I support breast cancer awareness?"  Maybe something that lists a statistic to really raise awareness? 

I'll tell you why, because it is really quite simple: it's to be an attention whore.  Who are wearing these shirts?  Teen girls.  What do teen girls like?  Attention.  It's an invitation for the hardcore feminist types and their sweater-knitting bitch husbands to have something to make a big deal about and blur the social boundaries while stacking their deck.  Move along.



Being a cheerleader is to get attention - again, what's the difference? 

Let me rephrase my point, perhaps my stand will make more sense to you then.  If all the guys do it talk about it (which they do anyway, regardless of it's "nice ass" or "she wants her lumps felt"), then why make a big fuss about it?  It just draws more attention to it, and makes it more "naughty".  While I wish that people (of both genders) wouldn't be so crude, I know that it's going to happen.  If I hear it, I'll say something - but I'm not going to base decisions on what little Johnny might say in the locker room after the game.

I think that the girls could have been more mature about it - but duh, they are teens.  Teens do stupid, attention grabbing things.  That isn't news.  To make a big deal of it?  Just makes it that much worse, in my opinion.

To me, the shirts aren't that bad to begin with - although I'm aware that some feel differently (and did before the discussion on this thread - I'm not oblivious to the fact that people have different opinions).  But it's kind of like when my Lit teacher blacked out all the swear words in a book that we were assigned to read in class - just made us go to the public library and get an uncensored version of it.  Instead, she could have either a) chosen another book for us to read or b) not made a big deal about it and just reminded us that the words are a part of the literature, and not appropriate for use in school or other public places. 

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:45:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AneNoz

It has become clear that there is no desire among this group to discuss this topic, and thus I shall desist. I will say this last, at the least the child is a child and thus has an excuse for behaving as such. I shall pray to my Goddess that you all are relieved of the anger that at this time has control of you, it is not healthy and is not as it should be. Seek the joy that is in all life.

Shto kerka na drska malku kuche saka ne e od interes za mene

Be at peace
Aneka


What language are you using? No translators seem able to decipher it. Are you speaking in tongues?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:47:29 PM   
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I have a friend, a gal who's superhawt, top dollar model. I asked her once if she had been a cheerleader (She's that sort of chick. Loves pink. Fake boobs. Spells Kute with a K. Hello Kitty all the way) and she awesomely replied, "No. I wasn't slutty enough."


Which says it all.


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:50:37 PM   
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Toa e zatoa shto postoјat јazitsi, koi se mali i malku poznati

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:53:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

quote:

ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

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My point, which appears to be repeatedly missed and/or deliberately twisted, is that even when the girls are wearing their skimpy outfits, the guys aren't going around groping them because they have some flesh showing. Yes, guys can be pigs, and guys that age forget which head to think with on an alarmingly regular basis - but I don't think that the average male is going to be dumb enough to take the shirt as an excuse to grope someone that they didn't already have a "groping" relationship with. And if they did - well, it's going to be the same type of asshole who would do it even without the shirt.


The reason why I see it as worse than a uniform (that as demonstrated by pictures, can be of varying levels of exposure) is because like Amygdalin pointed out, it'll just be a bunch of guys that make crude jokes regarding it. 

Instead of it being, "Trish has a great ass" it'll be, "I bet Trish wants to have her lumps felt."  Congratulations, your entire "purpose" of the slogan was lost. 

Here's something that may part the heavens and turn the sea red: why not just wear a t-shirt saying, "I support breast cancer awareness?"  Maybe something that lists a statistic to really raise awareness? 

I'll tell you why, because it is really quite simple: it's to be an attention whore.  Who are wearing these shirts?  Teen girls.  What do teen girls like?  Attention.  It's an invitation for the hardcore feminist types and their sweater-knitting bitch husbands to have something to make a big deal about and blur the social boundaries while stacking their deck.  Move along.



Being a cheerleader is to get attention - again, what's the difference? 

Let me rephrase my point, perhaps my stand will make more sense to you then.  If all the guys do it talk about it (which they do anyway, regardless of it's "nice ass" or "she wants her lumps felt"), then why make a big fuss about it?  It just draws more attention to it, and makes it more "naughty".  While I wish that people (of both genders) wouldn't be so crude, I know that it's going to happen.  If I hear it, I'll say something - but I'm not going to base decisions on what little Johnny might say in the locker room after the game.

I think that the girls could have been more mature about it - but duh, they are teens.  Teens do stupid, attention grabbing things.  That isn't news.  To make a big deal of it?  Just makes it that much worse, in my opinion.

To me, the shirts aren't that bad to begin with - although I'm aware that some feel differently (and did before the discussion on this thread - I'm not oblivious to the fact that people have different opinions).  But it's kind of like when my Lit teacher blacked out all the swear words in a book that we were assigned to read in class - just made us go to the public library and get an uncensored version of it.  Instead, she could have either a) chosen another book for us to read or b) not made a big deal about it and just reminded us that the words are a part of the literature, and not appropriate for use in school or other public places. 


You made some good points. Thank you.

Being a cheerleader takes hard work and dedication. You have to keep your grades up (our school district requires a c average but our school requires a b) and you can't get in trouble at school or you're out. They practice for hours at a time, sometimes in extreme heat or cold. They have to smile and be peppy and happy even when they're not. It's not an inexpensive hobby. The regular cheerleaders spend about $200. per year for the experience, and the girls on the competition team spend about $1500.

And lastly, being a cheerleader is not ALL about getting attention. Some actually do it because they believe in their school and want to participate in cheering them on and representing their school.

Blacking out words in a book though? That's sacrelig!


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:54:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

I have a friend, a gal who's superhawt, top dollar model. I asked her once if she had been a cheerleader (She's that sort of chick. Loves pink. Fake boobs. Spells Kute with a K. Hello Kitty all the way) and she awesomely replied, "No. I wasn't slutty enough."


Which says it all.



Thanks Kana.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 10:59:29 PM   
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I never said that cheerleading didn't take hard work or dedication both on the field and in the classroom.  Believe it or not, I was on sports teams in high school and I watched some of their practices while I waited for my practices to start - but when you choose to do something like be a cheerleader, or in drama club, or on the basketball/football/wrestling/volleyball/whatever team - it is, at least in part, for the attention that you get from it.  You don't become a cheerleader if you don't want people to look at you - whether it is for 'just' the team, or competition, or both ... you do it because you enjoy the attention - if you didn't, you wouldn't do it.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/18/2011 11:03:58 PM   
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Blacking out words in a book though? That's sacrelig!

Kako e ova navistina se razlikuva od ona shto beshe napraveno so koshuli?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 12:58:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AneNoz


Kako e ova navistina se razlikuva od ona shto beshe napraveno so koshuli?




It is different because one is literature, and the others are t-shirts. T-shirts that my under-age daughters will not wear until they are a bit more mature and able to handle what comes along with wearing them.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 1:07:42 AM   
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It is different because one is literature, and the others are t-shirts. T-shirts that my under-age daughters will not wear until they are a bit more mature and able to handle what comes along with wearing them.
It is but jibberish is it? Your arrogance paints you a fool too often. Now if you will refrain from making things difficult for me to comprehend due to you being angry and behaving as a child because a child did behave as a child then we can continue to discuss in English, else I will revert to my language and you may be the one to expend effort.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 3:00:53 AM   
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For the record, I have literally never gotten the vibe that AneNoz would be one to instigate.
no fucking shit stalky, but i hand it to the old biddies, it seems they managed to royally piss off one of the calmest and gentlest people on the boards purely out of fucking spite. way to fucking go babes, way to fucking go.

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Her posting can be cryptic at times but I like it.  Hopefully she doesn't dumb it down.
a-fucking-men to that brother.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 3:29:19 AM   
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Hannah either discuss the topic or go someplace else if all u are going to do is bitch.

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