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Strategies - 10/15/2011 11:42:21 PM   
SpanishMatMaster


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Here are my current search and answer strategies, for other male masters (and maybe more?) to compare, comment, etc.

Profile strategy:
- Wide but not too wide. Detailed profile, respectful.
- Likes and dislikes carefully listed in all items (too much information?).
- All temporal journal entries deleted, only the one which make sense much later are kept.
- Two no-goes listed in the profile: They must have a webcam at home; and they should not be in strong economic need.
- Many photos, none naked, in different attitudes and styles.

Search stragegy:
1. Configurate the search engine:
  • Submissives. Apparently slaves are then automatically included.
  • All States, all countries (but see below). Age range, weight (but not height), seeking dominant men.
  • I do not set "relocatable" as I think some girls won't be sure about it or just have not answered and still are able to.
  • "Photos only" just to avoid absurdly sparse profiles.
  • Photo list (thinking about that one, is not really necessary). Sort by Last on (first they get a wave of messages, later maybe less). No interest search (I do not demand SO MUCH work on her profile).
2. I open the profiles (still in preview modus, in a new tab), as many as I want to analyse, with the exception of Americans, Canadians and Australians in a first search (they may be opened later, in a second one). Then I hide immediately all those profiles, so that I never analyse them again.
3. I check the profile and close immediately the following:
  • Phillipines and Africans: too many scammers and black girls are anyway often not my taste ~ remark in "often". As they are only hidden and not blocked, they can contact me if they want (and then, see below about scammers).
  • No journal and no profile text. They just don't have so much interest anyway.
  • They demand one single thing I cannot provide. Well done, girl, one message less in your inbox.
  • The profiles are ONLY agressive comments about the jerks they find. I understand their frustration but if they are not able to say something positive about themselves, I better remain far away from that girl.
  • The dislike or hate something I very much like (watersports, for example, is the most common kill criteria here).
4. Interesting profiles get a message.
  • I send a general message. Not one-line, not a repetition of my profile. Something like a resume of it.
  • I have two styles, respectful / disrespectful, depending on the profile of the girl. Usually I send the respectful one, but some girls have profiles like "treat me like shit, I am a cumwhore, worthless, I want to be degraded". Starting with "Dear Ms. Shitwhore, I have the privilege to send you this humble message... does not sound like the right thing to do.
  • I always add a personal note signaling that I did read her profile / journal.
  • I change her alias if it makes sense, for the same reason, "cumbucket" becomes "cum bucket", for example. Just to avoid the impression that a program is writing the message.
5. On contact, the first thing I ask is for a webcam contact, face to face, at home.
  • I make a reference to her profile. This is to be sure that the profile is related with the person with this ID, and also to help me search the person I am communicating with in collarme.com later.
  • If they do not have and do not seem to be having, I say bye. If they also indicate money problems for it and/or come from Africa or Phillipines, they are reported as scammers. Sorry if I denounce some innocent girl, she should have read my profile.
  • "I am going to have" or "I am going to be at home later" means that I respectfully indicate that she should contact only when she is at home and has got the cam.
  • Once seeing her, I make her made a sign with her hands or hair. This is to check if the image is a stream taken from somebody.
  • Extra security: A photo holding my name in a paper on her hands. Photoshopping that is really, really hard.
6. Further communication implies, in a short period, a check for the sexual abilities, and some personal information like fixed phone numbers, e-mail, physical direction... I provide mine, I have no problems on this, I am completely out of the closet in my job, familiy and friends.

I got screwed once. That was about one year ago. The trick was new for me... the girl communicated with me, she was real, she was gorgeous, we spoke by normal telephone, she remembered the conversations and spoke a lot about herself... and she liked a specific hotel in her city very much. The hotel had a website which looked pretty serious, but (stupid me) the booking engine did not "work at the moment", so I sent the money for a short reservation. Money gone, girl gone. Well, at least it costed them some days of fixed costs (the website) and some hours of variable costs (photos, conversations in chat and telephone) for a profit of about 300 USD. I got screwed by a luxus scammer, 99% of them failed, and I have visited about 20 interesting girls in the last ten years (a pause on a stable relation there), who were good or bad, but were serious and not scammers.

I am still searching, but that's me. Very picky for a fat old man.

If anybody can help me to improve the algorithm, welcome. If anyone can use some of this for herself, I am glad.

Best regards.


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RE: Strategies - 10/15/2011 11:50:50 PM   
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Wow, that sounds like a whole lotta work there. I just clicked gender, put in an age range, general area and side of the / I wanted them to be on and tada, a group of men that fit the general idea of what I was looking for appeared. The hide profile button worked wonders for the ones I was not interested in... This was how I found C and I couldn't be happier. Your way may work, but it sure sounds like a whole lotta complicated to me.


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RE: Strategies - 10/15/2011 11:54:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AdorkableAiley
Wow, that sounds like a whole lotta work there. I just clicked gender, put in an age range, general area and side of the / I wanted them to be on and tada, a group of men that fit the general idea of what I was looking for appeared. The hide profile button worked wonders for the ones I was not interested in... This was how I found C and I couldn't be happier. Your way may work, but it sure sounds like a whole lotta complicated to me.
Ailey
This is the reason why I told in the OP that this message is mostly for dominant males. The proportion of male / female here must be around 20 to 1. If I were a submissive girl I would have not searched at all. With a good profile is enough. You get hundreds of messages just being there. You need a strategy to get rid of as many of them as possible, not a strategy to find somebody.

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 12:02:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: AdorkableAiley
Wow, that sounds like a whole lotta work there. I just clicked gender, put in an age range, general area and side of the / I wanted them to be on and tada, a group of men that fit the general idea of what I was looking for appeared. The hide profile button worked wonders for the ones I was not interested in... This was how I found C and I couldn't be happier. Your way may work, but it sure sounds like a whole lotta complicated to me.
Ailey
This is the reason why I told in the OP that this message is mostly for dominant males. The proportion of male / female here must be around 20 to 1. If I were a submissive girl I would have not searched at all. With a good profile is enough. You get hundreds of messages just being there. You need a strategy to get rid of as many of them as possible, not a strategy to find somebody.

Actually, me in all my adorkable bravery approached C first.

The numbers maybe skewed in my favor, but it is a common misconception you men have, that us ladies don't have to look, or search. I'd have been waiting forever if I didn't make the first move sometimes. Waiting for Mr. Right to come to you is silly and may not happen, you have to go after what you want and often times those gobs of messages we get are a joke. I can't tell you the amount of crap I waded through. Just because we get a lot of attention doesn’t mean we are having any more luck than you, it just means we have to suffer a lot more time wasters.


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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 12:22:22 AM   
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quote:

Then I hide immediately all those profiles
I never would have guessed. 

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 12:26:19 AM   
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while I understand you may have been duped before, the whole 'must have webcam and be prepared to use it to chat immediately' would be a reason I would have avoided you like the plague.

A lot of guys insist on the webcam thing, and for a very short while I didn't see any harm in it. And then a 'chat' turns into the intrusive personal questions about my body, and demands to 'see the goods'.

Or the guy I had been chatting about kink with (in a very general way, no details at all) who then went on to say he was going to post the conversation online if I didn't meet him and shag him.

Or the time I was chatting to a guy, then he moved his camera down and showed me how much he was 'enjoying' a very vanilla conversation.

So now, no cam.

Seriously, you are being far too anal about the whole thing. This is not a search for the ideal employee. This is about relationships. People. Hopefully two people who will develop a strong bond of love, or whatever it is you want.

Send messages, be prepared to be ignored or rebuffed. If you get feedback on your messages, and the feedback tends to be consistent, then act on it.

It happens the same way for women too. Being a guy and being picky doesn't make you in any way different from many others. I'm female, I'm picky and it took me a long time to find the one for me.

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 12:54:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself

while I understand you may have been duped before, the whole 'must have webcam and be prepared to use it to chat immediately' would be a reason I would have avoided you like the plague.

A lot of guys insist on the webcam thing, and for a very short while I didn't see any harm in it. And then a 'chat' turns into the intrusive personal questions about my body, and demands to 'see the goods'.

Or the guy I had been chatting about kink with (in a very general way, no details at all) who then went on to say he was going to post the conversation online if I didn't meet him and shag him.

Or the time I was chatting to a guy, then he moved his camera down and showed me how much he was 'enjoying' a very vanilla conversation.

So now, no cam.

Seriously, you are being far too anal about the whole thing. This is not a search for the ideal employee. This is about relationships. People. Hopefully two people who will develop a strong bond of love, or whatever it is you want.

Send messages, be prepared to be ignored or rebuffed. If you get feedback on your messages, and the feedback tends to be consistent, then act on it.

It happens the same way for women too. Being a guy and being picky doesn't make you in any way different from many others. I'm female, I'm picky and it took me a long time to find the one for me.


Yeah agreed on the web cam thing, I won't do it. I find it tasteless anyway not to mention all the things you brought up.

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 12:55:50 AM   
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The funny thing is, the guys who expected me to cam all had profiles that seemed pretty reasonable. They all stated they were looking for D/s or M/s relationships.

And yet when the cam came out, they turned into common-or-garden wankfodder seekers.



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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 1:22:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself

The funny thing is, the guys who expected me to cam all had profiles that seemed pretty reasonable. They all stated they were looking for D/s or M/s relationships.

And yet when the cam came out, they turned into common-or-garden wankfodder seekers.




To me it just feels like being asked to cam is an invation of privacy, so much can happen with what is done on cam and I just prefer not too. I have used services like Oovoo and such to chat with family out of state and country via webcam but that is about as far as I will go and even then I do it rarely as it makes me uncomfertable. I just don't like being on cam and being watched like that.



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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 1:31:03 AM   
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I put in my age range, weight, hieght, location, and female submissive. Voilla, got several thousand results. When I look at a profile, If it has no journals or doesn't have a reasonably well thought out description I ignore it. If it screams desperation or has the words "married" or "kids" in it, it is ignored as well. I look for 3 key things in a profile before ever messaging a woman, unless the message has no garnered interest other than to reply to something interesting I read or saw in the profile. Those are :

When was the last time she was online? More than 1 month? Ignore and move on.
Is her profile well thought out, did it include more than "I want to be fucked xyz ways from sunday"? If there is primarily kink related info I ignore.
Is there anything interesting to me about this profile? Does she put something funny or witty in it? Is there a mutual interest we can connect on? Perhaps she loves cheesecake, perhaps shes hates Jane Fonda, ect;

I only started looking recently, and don't even take my exchanges seriously. I'm honest, and try to have fun with it, but I don't invest emotionally into a text message. If we can arrange to get together, great. If not, that's not a loss either. I get to meet some interesting women, have a little fun and entertain myself for free. It's pretty basic. Having read your almost scientificly engineered design for deconstructing profiles, I would reccomend you lighten up on those restrictions and spend more time out in real life looking, and just use this for what it is, a networking tool.

I think you have me on ignore so I probably wasted these key strokes...

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 2:35:08 AM   
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I am reading (well, the ones not in "hide"), and I disagree with many things said, but I prefer not to enter in any debate here. I understand that you are trying to help. Best regards.

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:34:46 AM   
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so why bother asking for input if you have already decided that your way is best?

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:44:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself
so why bother asking for input if you have already decided that your way is best?
I haven't decided that. And I am asking for input. But please be so kind to check the name of this section. Thank you.


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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:46:54 AM   
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if you understood posting culture here at CM, you would understand that section names mean very little to forum participants. people post all over the place, wherever they want. Doms/Masters post in "Ask a Submissive" and subs and male dominants post in "Ask a Mistress."
your insinuation that a sub can't post in Ask a Master (particularly if she disagrees with you, because i haven't seen you gripe about this elsewhere) is not in keeping with the "culture" of the CM forums.

you should really keep a lot of this stuff to your journal, because you aren't interested in actually having discussions.

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:47:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself
so why bother asking for input if you have already decided that your way is best?
I haven't decided that. And I am asking for input. But please be so kind to check the name of this section. Thank you.



Seems a bit dumb to ask other Doms whether you're doing the right thing, rather than your target audience.

And sorry to say, I get to post wherever I like. As do you. Don't like it? Time to put me on hide.

Now please pull your head out of your ass. Thank you.

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:55:55 AM   
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Ehm... apparently some people here interpret too much from what I say. I was not saying that you CANNOT post here. But if you ask me why I am not specially interested on answers from non-Masters, there was the answer. You can consider that "the culture" of this forum is a different one, it is free for you to decide, but until it is made official, I consider that I *also* have the right to post here, direct a question mostly to Masters, and not be attacked for doing so.
myother, you are not my target audience. Perish the thought!
But yes, people who disrespect ("pull your head"), I prefer to hide them. Goodbye.

PS: This is not a "discussion forum", Lilly. It is a forum. Not only discussions are allowed here.

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:56:57 AM   
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so.. you're NOT looking for a female submissive?

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:57:37 AM   
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Funny thing. I looked for folks that sounded intriguing, then treated em like human beings and tried to make em laugh, demonstrated a certain elan/je ne sais quoi.

Worked like a champ for this cat.


edited to add that using 'strategies" kinda feels like the other person is an means to be used, not an end unto themselves. And that's never good. Folks like to feel special. Folks, especially subs/slaves like to feel needed, important to him. Not like they are just the living blow up doll to anothers externalized wanker fantasies.
Here's my strategy. Be me. Be excellent (Sounds all Bill and Ted, doesn't it). Shine.
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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 5:59:27 AM   
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lol - bless yer heart

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RE: Strategies - 10/16/2011 6:00:00 AM   
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perhaps you are still looking, not because you're so "picky" but because you're doing something that puts people off.
in that case, it is a good idea to take advice from people in the situation you're trying to attract -- their characteristics may not be exactly what you want, but they are still a better representative of "how does a female sub perceive this" than a male Dominant would be.

the way you behave here on the forum, by immediately hiding anyone who doesn't totally agree with you, probably carries over to the way you deal with people, and you make people feel as though you are closed-off, closed-minded, unable to carry out complex discussions, etc etc.
those are all very UNAPPEALING things. most people don't act any differently on a forum than they do in real life, so i can only imagine how you behave to perspective submissives who have jumped through all of your hoops.

you need to assess the way you deal with people -- i don't believe a person should change in order to fit someone, but on the other hand, when your behavior tends more towards negative than positive, you should change SOMETHING in order to relate to ANYONE.


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