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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 8:17:25 PM   
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I'm retracting what I just said because what you said didn't make sense to me.

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 8:20:47 PM   
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Thats fine. Just understand something. When I said stand up to him to make him see his perfect world is falling apart. I meant it. He will not see the need to change himself if you arent changing first. That means BEING rude and disrespectful. It might even mean saying hurtful things.

As long as he still sees you as playing into his world, "fixing" things, being the same accepting submissive, saying things the same way he's always heard them.....he has no reason to change himself. It might change momentarily...but he hasnt changed himself.


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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 8:22:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ghita

Thats fine. Just understand something. When I said stand up to him to make him see his perfect world is falling apart. I meant it. He will not see the need to change himself if you arent changing first. That means BEING rude and disrespectful. It might even mean saying hurtful things.

As long as he still sees you as playing into his world, "fixing" things, being the same accepting submissive, saying things the same way he's always heard them.....he has no reason to change himself. It might change momentarily...but he hasnt changed himself.



I liked when I thought you were actually trying to give me advice :(

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 8:24:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eagertoplease55

I liked when I thought you were actually trying to give me advice :(


I liked it when I thought you actually wanted to change your situation.




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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 8:26:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ghita

quote:

ORIGINAL: eagertoplease55

I liked when I thought you were actually trying to give me advice :(


I liked it when I thought you actually wanted to change your situation.




Don't lie!! lol you did not

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 8:52:23 PM   
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I just read this entire thread instead of going to bed.

I am not normally a member of the kink scene, just an observer, but I wanted to throw my two cents in.

Eager, I am NOT in a 24/7 D/s relationship. I'd call what we have "in the bedroom only." And I feel like maybe that's what you need. To maintain the sort of standards for a Dom that you have set (which he is clearly not meeting), I think your relationship needs an off switch. It sounds to me like the only way you're going to be happy - truly happy - is to be treated like an equal outside of the bedroom.

I don't know if that means leaving your man or not. I'm sure he's not such a beast that he wouldn't consider it.

Long distance sucks. God knows, I'm going through one hell of a time myself right now. My boyfriend of 8 years hasn't spoken to me in a month because of money/phone/pride issues. I came to CM.com tonight to sort of get a feel for the kink community, you know? And just in the last few hours, I've realized that I am not alone, and that if my relationship status changes... There are plenty of other respectful, pretty fish in the sea.

But, my post is not about my relationship. It's about yours. Self-centered people never change. And man, do we girls LOVE douchebags for men. I would say the questions that you need to ask yourself are as follows:

1. Do you love him?
2. Does he love you?
3. Are you best friends?
4. Could being without him be better than what being with him is right now?
5. There is a fine line between submissive and codependent, at times. Have you crossed it?

Please remember that you are a full and entire person. There's a difference between submitting for sexual and personal fulfillment, and submitting because you found an abuser that would do it.

Being in a relationship should be, regardless of kink or situation, about making YOU happy. You are a strong and independent individual with a life and choices of your own. Do you want to go down this road where you first begin to question your Dom's power, and then eventually disconnect from the relationship altogether? Do you really want to be having sex and trying to remember what TV you're missing out on, or fantasizing about something entirely different?

I know what it's like to be with your best friend. I can't say that what you'll do is easy, but my guess is that you have just a little too much intelligence and independence to NOT go down the path I just mentioned. Questioning. Then disconnect. I would argue that you do it now and save yourself some heartbreak.

You can only change YOUR choices. Not his.

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 9:12:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: smokehawk

I just read this entire thread instead of going to bed.

I am not normally a member of the kink scene, just an observer, but I wanted to throw my two cents in.

Eager, I am NOT in a 24/7 D/s relationship. I'd call what we have "in the bedroom only." And I feel like maybe that's what you need. To maintain the sort of standards for a Dom that you have set (which he is clearly not meeting), I think your relationship needs an off switch. It sounds to me like the only way you're going to be happy - truly happy - is to be treated like an equal outside of the bedroom.

I don't know if that means leaving your man or not. I'm sure he's not such a beast that he wouldn't consider it.

Long distance sucks. God knows, I'm going through one hell of a time myself right now. My boyfriend of 8 years hasn't spoken to me in a month because of money/phone/pride issues. I came to CM.com tonight to sort of get a feel for the kink community, you know? And just in the last few hours, I've realized that I am not alone, and that if my relationship status changes... There are plenty of other respectful, pretty fish in the sea.

But, my post is not about my relationship. It's about yours. Self-centered people never change. And man, do we girls LOVE douchebags for men. I would say the questions that you need to ask yourself are as follows:

1. Do you love him?
2. Does he love you?
3. Are you best friends?
4. Could being without him be better than what being with him is right now?
5. There is a fine line between submissive and codependent, at times. Have you crossed it?

Please remember that you are a full and entire person. There's a difference between submitting for sexual and personal fulfillment, and submitting because you found an abuser that would do it.

Being in a relationship should be, regardless of kink or situation, about making YOU happy. You are a strong and independent individual with a life and choices of your own. Do you want to go down this road where you first begin to question your Dom's power, and then eventually disconnect from the relationship altogether? Do you really want to be having sex and trying to remember what TV you're missing out on, or fantasizing about something entirely different?

I know what it's like to be with your best friend. I can't say that what you'll do is easy, but my guess is that you have just a little too much intelligence and independence to NOT go down the path I just mentioned. Questioning. Then disconnect. I would argue that you do it now and save yourself some heartbreak.

You can only change YOUR choices. Not his.

Wow.. where do I start. The long distance I didn't want to go through, but I actually like my alone time. Being around him 24/7 can be exhausting! That and I can never get housework done.. He has a very high sex drive and is demanding of my time.
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes, but I feel like I have to use a lot of discretion in what I say.
4. possibly, but I enjoy being commited to him through everything.
5. another maybe there. I mean I feel like I'm enabling him only because I'm not doing enough about his behavior. We were at a swingers party and the girls there felt sorry for me. His Bestfriend even told him that several of the guests thought he was an asshole. I tried to explain that it was me.. he's just use to being around me and treating me like that.. and that he just needs to temper it in public.

I havent questioned his power. I know he's a powerful person. and the sex is not a downside to this relationship. Its actually really great. less great than it was, but great none the less! I mean it really isn't all that bad.. but sometimes its incredibly painful.



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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 9:28:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: smokehawk

I just read this entire thread instead of going to bed.

I am not normally a member of the kink scene, just an observer, but I wanted to throw my two cents in.

Eager, I am NOT in a 24/7 D/s relationship. I'd call what we have "in the bedroom only." And I feel like maybe that's what you need. To maintain the sort of standards for a Dom that you have set (which he is clearly not meeting), I think your relationship needs an off switch. It sounds to me like the only way you're going to be happy - truly happy - is to be treated like an equal outside of the bedroom.

I don't know if that means leaving your man or not. I'm sure he's not such a beast that he wouldn't consider it.

Long distance sucks. God knows, I'm going through one hell of a time myself right now. My boyfriend of 8 years hasn't spoken to me in a month because of money/phone/pride issues. I came to CM.com tonight to sort of get a feel for the kink community, you know? And just in the last few hours, I've realized that I am not alone, and that if my relationship status changes... There are plenty of other respectful, pretty fish in the sea.

But, my post is not about my relationship. It's about yours. Self-centered people never change. And man, do we girls LOVE douchebags for men. I would say the questions that you need to ask yourself are as follows:

1. Do you love him?
2. Does he love you?
3. Are you best friends?
4. Could being without him be better than what being with him is right now?
5. There is a fine line between submissive and codependent, at times. Have you crossed it?

Please remember that you are a full and entire person. There's a difference between submitting for sexual and personal fulfillment, and submitting because you found an abuser that would do it.

Being in a relationship should be, regardless of kink or situation, about making YOU happy. You are a strong and independent individual with a life and choices of your own. Do you want to go down this road where you first begin to question your Dom's power, and then eventually disconnect from the relationship altogether? Do you really want to be having sex and trying to remember what TV you're missing out on, or fantasizing about something entirely different?

I know what it's like to be with your best friend. I can't say that what you'll do is easy, but my guess is that you have just a little too much intelligence and independence to NOT go down the path I just mentioned. Questioning. Then disconnect. I would argue that you do it now and save yourself some heartbreak.

You can only change YOUR choices. Not his.

I also wanted to thank you.. for your time in writing this, for giving me an eye opener and a little hope too. I guess I am whining and feeling sorry for myself. I need to be stronger. And I definitely need to learn how to communicate with him better. Thats whats really hard for me.

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 9:46:23 PM   
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If you enjoy your time alone and think time spent with him is exhausting, his sex drive is high, and you can never get house work done..... I can understand the problems.

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 9:53:33 PM   
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It's only exhausting because for the most part its him bitching at me for doing something wrong.. I'm trying to be optimistic and you are still nit picking my words.

Eh I'm done with the haters. Good night.

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/5/2011 11:39:51 PM   
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there is a really good book called "getting to I DO" it talks about the five sexes of straight people. dom men, sub women, dommes and sub men, and narcissists and how to know who is whom.

look at a website called narcissism cured. they dont need anyone. they have themselves. get someone who can love. narcissists are like alcoholics...no fun..

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 12:38:53 AM   
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Am I an idiot for being with this person or am I just whining?
jesus mary and joseph in a three-way!!how the fuck can you even ask that question?

look cuddle cakes, its really fucking simple. if you're seriously unhappy and you stay, then yes you're clearly a fucking idiot. on the other hand if you're just fed up with his shit but not actually unhappy, then you're just fucking whining.

now since you're the only one who actually knows that, why the fuck are you asking us?

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 1:39:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eagertoplease55

quote:

ORIGINAL: ghita

Thats fine. Just understand something. When I said stand up to him to make him see his perfect world is falling apart. I meant it. He will not see the need to change himself if you arent changing first. That means BEING rude and disrespectful. It might even mean saying hurtful things.

As long as he still sees you as playing into his world, "fixing" things, being the same accepting submissive, saying things the same way he's always heard them.....he has no reason to change himself. It might change momentarily...but he hasnt changed himself.



I liked when I thought you were actually trying to give me advice :(


ghita has been doing just that.  While the rest of us have been trying to get you to understand the situation, she's moved past that to telling you what to DO about it.  Let me sum things up:

He is happy in the relationship.  You're not.  So while you strongly want him to change, he WILL NOT unless you make him WANT to do it.  So here are the ways to try to change him:

1. You've already done the "Here are some things I want you to read to improve the relationship" gambit.  It didn't work.  Not surprising - it wouldn't have worked with me either.  Remember, he's happy and doesn't want anything to change.

2. The next step is the "I'm not happy in this relationship" gambit.  Believe it or not, he may not realize that there's a problem.  Just because YOU have issues doesn't mean he's aware of them.  Ideally, this will lead to a serious conversation because "I'm not happy in this relationship" is a traditional code that something bad will happen if problems aren't addressed.

3. If "I'm not happy in this relationship" doesn't work, then the next step is "If things don't improve, I will leave".  You don't want to do this because it means that everything will end if he doesn't change.

ghita has simply been telling you what you do NOT want to hear - that you may have to have conversation #3 above - and mean it - for the relationship to change.

Try conversation #2 above.  But you have to realize that you may be forced to choose between a relationship you don't like, and ending the current one.

Good luck.


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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 4:37:28 AM   
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I can make him laugh.. and he likes it when I moan. He makes me tell him that I love him, would do anything for him, I live for him and belong to him everyday.


You see, here you are giving him Narcissistic Supply. (The list I gave you on page 1 is all about providing this.)

He will only want to listen to you within this context. For example, get "Screw the Roses, Send me the Thorns." Tell him, "Oh, see this on page X? You do that so well!" [pause] "Check out page Y. I bet you would be so good at that!"

Alternatively, "If you did page Y to me I bet my pussy would get so wet." This has less chance of success because an narcissist may not care about getting you wet except as how it reflects well on him.

Note how phrases 1 and 3 give him narcissistic supply. 2 does not, but he may be able to hear it as you have softened him up with 1.



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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 4:38:43 AM   
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We were at a swingers party and the girls there felt sorry for me. His Bestfriend even told him that several of the guests thought he was an asshole.


Hahaha, been there!

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 4:56:49 AM   
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Eager, you were given some excellent advice that you specifically came to an open forum and asked for. Then you got all snarky (and worse) when you didn't get the answers/validation you wanted.

You know, people can only give you the advice they think best based on what you tell them. As soon as you got advice you didn't like, you changed your story.

For those of us on the outside looking in, it is pathetically easy to see how conflicted you are. How frustrated and unhappy you *really* are.

Per you:
You no longer trust or respect your dominant, but you love him and want to serve him. Can you really not see how your very own words make zero sense?

What some others have (very nicely BTW) tried to tell you is that you are BOTH involved in a no win cycle. Get this please. Yes, I think this man is probably quite abusive to you. But you have been his willing victim for far too long.  Nothing will get better until you wake the fuck up and see your part in it all. Because sweetie, you can't fix someone else. You can only fix yourself.

Note how I didn't even hint at the dom/sub side of things. D/s does not work well when the relationship itself is broken.

That he doesn't want you going to a therapist speaks volumes, and not to just me.

Please make finding someone you can talk to a priority.



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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 5:03:08 AM   
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3. If "I'm not happy in this relationship" doesn't work, then the next step is "If things don't improve, I will leave". You don't want to do this because it means that everything will end if he doesn't change.

ghita has simply been telling you what you do NOT want to hear - that you may have to have conversation #3 above - and mean it - for the relationship to change.


Not only do you have to mean it, but you may have to show that you are prepared to do it, and perhaps even take steps in that direction. In my case, he didn't really believe me despite my months of heads up and preparation.He did start making promises during this time, but I had long ceased to believe him. (It was not the narcissism that drove me out, but his alcoholism, and since he was not going to stop drinking, the alcoholic behavior was not going to change.)

He had said he would help me move, but I pictured him throwing his 6'4" self across the door when the time came, and scheduled my move for when he was out of town, 2 weeks in advance of the move date I'd given him. That was in 2009, and to this day he still refers to me as "moving out in the dead of night," despite all the notice I'd given him.

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 5:45:32 AM   
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I think it depends on the therapist, We had a non kink therapist, and she was wonderful, and extremely helpful. Now in some points of time we had to explain things to her, cause she had no clue and was willing to understand if we just explained. She had zero problem with me calling him Daddy or me being a baby girl or none of that. She accepted it all with out batting an eye. Her only concern was am I happy where I am at and can I function.


My therapist was kink-aware by the time we were done. He was kink-friendly when we met. I appreciated the obvious effort he put into studying up on kink.

Here's a directory, but like for TFB and me, therapists can be kink friendly or aware without being on this list: https://ncsfreedom.org/resources/kink-aware-professionals-directory/kap-directory-homepage.html

I get my health insurance through the VA and don't have a choice in providers. Unless this is also the case for you, you DO - so inquire before you commit to a therapist.

You could ask open ended questions or ask if their understanding of BDSM aligns with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM#Psychological_categorization

1. the proposed DSM IV-TR (specifically distinguishes normal, healthy BDSM from BDSM which causes dysfunction in a person's life - in order to be considered a paraphilia [bad] must cause "clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" or involve a violation of "consent"
2. the DSM IV  - "The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors" must "cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" in order for sexual sadism or masochism to be considered a disorder.
3. International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) sadomasochism is categorized a "Disorder of sexual preference" (F65.5) and described as follows: "A preference for sexual activity which involves the infliction of pain or humiliation, or bondage. If the subject prefers to be the recipient of such stimulation this is called masochism; if the provider, sadism. Often an individual obtains sexual excitement from both sadistic and masochistic activities."[80]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia#DSM-III_through_DSM-IV-TR

4. the DSM III - The term "paraphilia" was introduced in the DSM-III (1980) as a subset of the new category of "psychosexual disorders". The types of paraphilias listed were: fetishism, transvestism, zoophilia, pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, sexual masochism, sexual sadism, and "atypical paraphilia".

Obviously you want someone with a # 1 or 2 attitude.

http://www.drkkolmes.com/docs/kap.pdf

Sometimes both partners are enthused about the prospect of exploring BDSM together, but they might not  be  well versed  in  communicating  their  sexual  needs  to  one  another.  A  kink aware  therapist  can assist  you  in  this  type of  intimate  communication  process,  helping  you  to  express  your  desires  and negotiate  the  boundaries  of what  feels  safe  to  explore  together  over  time.  Sometimes  partners have differing perceptions of what  it means to be a dom, sub, or switch, and the therapist can help you to understand  and  reconcile  those  differences  if  need  be.  The therapist  can  help  partners  to  set expectations that are in keeping with one another’s skill levels, and to accept that good BDSM takes a while to learn to do. 
 
Along  similar  lines,  the  kink aware  therapist  can  help  more  experienced  '24/7  lifestyle'  partners  to negotiate when they will be "in scene" or "out of scene," and to design a master slave contract if one is desired. She may also help you figure out if your existing contract is a good one.




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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 7:11:33 AM   
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I am not being sarcastic. I genuinely am thankful. I've listened to everyone. I've taken it all in and I'm changing all the time :) for the better! I swear!


No you aren't and no you haven't. You have consistently whined that they aren't giving you what you want and haven't gotten good advice. It seems to me that one of your problems is the inability to CLEARLY communicated which is probably a huge part of the problem with your D-type.

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RE: confused and need advice please - 11/6/2011 7:53:55 AM   
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I'm sorry if you think I have whined for all the advice people gave. I whined about him and said thank you to everyone that had something to contribute. I may have agreed or disagreed with some of it and people may have miscontrued some of the details and those I did not really listen to, but I am still thankful. The only reason I am here is because I am WAITING for someone else to say something as well. I've heard their opinions and taken it into consideration. Why do you insist on me doing what you want me to? Stay, leave, see a counselor etc. This is my relationship.. not yours. I understand many people would do things differently. There are a lot of things that I do not like about this relationship and there are many reasons why I do. I'm choosing to stay and work on it bc I strongly believe we can reach a compromise.

Ok I have to finish a lab. Please by all means keep on hating.

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