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Thanks xxblushesxx, that was my point!!!

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I don't see how people can condemn financial domination as bad then turn around and play with poop.

Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

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Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

You would do well to say what you mean, rather than beating around the bush. Much less chance at misunderstandings that way.

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ORIGINAL: payingoinker

Thanks xxblushesxx, that was my point!!!

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I don't see how people can condemn financial domination as bad then turn around and play with poop.

Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

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Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

You would do well to say what you mean, rather than beating around the bush. Much less chance at misunderstandings that way.

I'll say PRECISELY what I am meaning: I think you have an extremely sleazy way of making a living and I think you will go to the ends of the logical world to justify it.

Is that clear enough for you?

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I'm not just in it solely for the money.

This is the key for me.

There's a difference between what you're doing and some 20 year old girl, who isn't really a Domme, but has figured out how to get desperate guys to subsidize her life.

I submit to you that this is an EXTREMELY fine line, the thickness of which is directly proportional to how much financial involvement one has in all of this ;)

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I don't see how people can condemn financial domination as bad then turn around and play with poop.

Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

I see. So by your twisted logic, none of us should ever criticize pedophiles, for example? Please explain.

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You pompous twat.

Ah, the ad hominem raises its ugly head. Bastion of the clueless and those without a valid argument for millenia...

I think you´ll go to the ends of the illogical world just to bitch about things you don´t understand nor wish to open your mind to understanding.

Oh, I understand it perfectly. You (and the other so-called pro findommes) are just pissed that I see through your little scam.


And as for likening financial domination to paedophilia ...

Didn't liken it to that at all...If you really believe that, you have reading comprehension issues. What I said was that, in response to an individual who holds the particularly odious notion that it is not OK to find some fetishes problematic. Pedophillia just happens to be one which makes the point obvious. As I say, you either have a reading comprehension issue, or are misrepresenting what I said. I suspect that latter, but in any case, you are incorrect and only make yourself look foolish.

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Thanks xxblushesxx, that was my point!!!

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: payingoinker

I don't see how people can condemn financial domination as bad then turn around and play with poop.

Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

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Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

You would do well to say what you mean, rather than beating around the bush. Much less chance at misunderstandings that way.

I'll say PRECISELY what I am meaning: I think you have an extremely sleazy way of making a living and I think you will go to the ends of the logical world to justify it.

Is that clear enough for you?

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ORIGINAL: SlutHumiliation

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I'm not just in it solely for the money.

This is the key for me.

There's a difference between what you're doing and some 20 year old girl, who isn't really a Domme, but has figured out how to get desperate guys to subsidize her life.

I submit to you that this is an EXTREMELY fine line, the thickness of which is directly proportional to how much financial involvement one has in all of this ;)

No, actually it's about attitude. The 20 year old non-dommes don't care if both sides are satisfied. They take their money, throw a temper tantrum and then walk away without doing what they said they would.

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I don't see how people can condemn financial domination as bad then turn around and play with poop.

Just as you have your own fetishes, so do others have theirs.
If you don't want yours ridiculed, you should not ridicule others'.

I see. So by your twisted logic, none of us should ever criticize pedophiles, for example? Please explain.

If you can't see the difference between two consenting adults and someone abusing children, there's nothing I can say that will help you.
Nothing.

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Now, perhaps YOU are not like this. Perhaps you are an ethical business person and, like in ANY good business transaction, you believe you gave, in service, equal or MORE than you received in payment (this is how any good transaction should go down...both parties should feel as that they got the better deal...a perfect arrangement!) I am openminded (or at least blessed with a good enough imagination) enough to believe that there are some findommes who can offer their clients such an arrangement. But I submit to to you that unlike most ethical businesses, these are by far the exception rather than the rule.

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Had a guy ask me earlier tonight to define financial domination to him. I googled instead and sent him the following, insightful reading indeed....

Financial Domination comes from a deep need for a loss of control. Financial Domination can be played in a myriad of ways but the main idea is a dominant woman seductively or harshly manipulating money from a submissive male.

For the submissive the idea of having a woman take money from him or manipulate him into a state of wanting to give money to her is incredibly erotic. In some cases the submissive male even dreams of complete financial ruination. This is extreme but has been done by many femme dommes in the past. Usually Financial Domination just involves the taking or giving of money either on a scheduled basis, through coercion or blackmail, or just out of an intense need to give.

If you are reading this thinking, “you’d have to be nuts to get off on that,” let me remind you that everyone has their own erotic fantasies however if you’ve ever taken a woman on a date, you’ve been financially dominated. If you’ve ever been screwed over in a divorce, you’ve been financially dominated. So don’t be too quick to judge. For some it’s painful, for others it’s very hot.

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This is another fetish that has an underlying current of humiliation as well, but again it depends on the individual. To hear a woman laughing and telling you what a sucker you are can be very arousing.

Financial Domination can be done by phone, mail, live sessions or just about any way that’s imaginable. Being a Sugar Daddy is a more controlled form of Financial Domination but usually involved sex. The true fetish doesn’t involve sex at all because the dominant female wouldn’t dream of having sex with an unworthy submissive.

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The fact that he’s giving to her is simply because he feels that he isn’t worthy of the money but she, being more powerful and beautiful, should be made to enjoy her life with his money but without any tangible benefit to him. The mere fact that he has given the money is the benefit to him.

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I use this metaphor a lot when I’m describing the feelings of the submissive in Financial Domination. When you go to a Christian church there is a time in the service where the plate is passed around and every one gives money to help keep the church running. No one there expects anything from that offering. They certainly don’t expect the pastor to get down and say blow the congregation in gratitude. (Lol that’s probably a whole other fetish.) No, in fact you give because you WANT to, you want to make sure your church is there for you next week, that the pastor can eat for the week and the bills can be paid. It’s the exact same thing with submissive men. If it’s done correctly they look at the woman as a goddess, a deity. To offer up money to their goddess is just the right thing to do. Her life is ALL that matters. As a submissive male you want to eat, sleep and breathe this woman. She IS your religion.

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ORIGINAL: SlutHumiliation
Ah, the ad hominem raises its ugly head. Bastion of the clueless and those without a valid argument for millenia...

I repeat, you pompous twat ...

Oh, I understand it perfectly. You (and the other so-called pro findommes) are just pissed that I see through your little scam.

1. It´s a fetish that you clearly have no interest in understanding.

2. I, and Chrissy, are open about being pro dommes. Where is the scam?



And as for likening financial domination to paedophilia ...


Didn't liken it to that at all...

That is precisely what a careful reading of your relevant post shows.

in any case, you are incorrect and only make yourself look foolish.

You make this claim because you are the worst kind of antagonistic troll who is determined to waffle on ad infinitum, employing a faux intellectual style to convince himself that he is winning the argument.

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ORIGINAL: HisPet21

I know, I know...About a thousand findom threads are started each week here on CM's message boards. What's the use in posting another one? I guess I really just want to get some perspective on what finacial domination is, what's in it for the findoms and finsubs, and why it bothers so many people, including myself. When I first started hanging around here, I was vehemently against financial domination. I viewed financial dominants as lazy sleaze bags who suckered the desperate out of their hard earned cash. But in the time I've been here, I've learned that this is not the case. There is a kink for absolutely everything, and there are no exceptions to this rule. Someone, somewhere, gets off on buying chicks free stuff, and I've come to accept that. Furthermore, I've come to know several findoms on this site that I respect, like blushes, for example. So, why does it still bother me so much?

#1. In the several months that I've been on CM, during which I've regularly perved profiles, I've never once seen a male sub proclaim that he actually wants to buy a chick lots and lots of stuff. I've seen male subs proclaim that they will pay tribute if necessary, but I've never seen it listed as a kink. And yet, I've seen posts on here describing almost every other obscure fetish imaginable: Crucifixion, farting, diapers, stomach impalement, and more recently, chips up the bum. If there are really enough finsubs out there to support the hundreds of findoms with clients, how come I've never seen one? Considering just how many findoms there are, and how few finsubs I've run into, I have to ask...whose supporting all the findoms? Finsubs, or men who can't get a women to look them in the eye unless they have a fancy new credit card and pretty paycheck? In other words, how much financial domination is actually financial domination, and how much of it is regular old phone sex? I keep hearing, over and over again, that there are finsubs all over the place. But I just don't see the evidence. If a car salesman told me that everyone and his mother was buying some New Model X, but I never saw one on the road, do you think I'd believe him?

#2. On another thread concerning financial domination, several findoms came forward, bragging about how they never, ever had to work. As if sitting in your house, eating and sleeping all day, was something to be proud of. Now, I know that not all findoms see clients as free meal tickets. I know that there are some findoms out there who, you know, actually work to satisfy their clients and who see their domination as a job. Never-the-less, it still bothers me that so many professionals brag about how little they have to do on a day-to-day basis, as if laziness is a virtue. Hey, even if I were a billionaire, I'd get bored doing nothing all day. I find it hard to respect those findoms who don't get bored by nothingness.

#3. In my pursuit of some, you know, info on financial domination, I ran across a bunch of stuff that absolutely sickened me. For example, forced intoxication sessions? The f*ck is that? Sessions where you force your sub to get drunk, and then ask him to buy you stuff. How is THAT safe, sane, or consensual? It isn't. End of story. What about all the findoms who legitimately blackmail clients? Or proclamations by proposed findoms, arguing that "I don't give a sh*t if you can't pay your bills. Mine come first." Is that part of catering to your client, or being an awful person?

All of this stuff seems to be why financial domination bugs me so much. Because even if there are a few ethical, hardworking, legitimate findoms, most findoms seem to be regular old high school graduates who want a free meal ticket and don't care about anyone but themselves. It's never good to generalize but, given this, I can see why we get so many complaints against findoms each week.

So, I guess I just want to hear from actual, professional findoms. What do you get out of this? What do you do to ensure that your client gets what he pays for? Do you see yourself as a goddess who is entitled to your pay pigs' money, or do you view your domination as a career, with a fair exchange of goods and services? What do your subs seem to get out of this? What ethical standards do you hold yourself to, if any, to ensure that you don't push your clients into financial trouble?

And to the finsubs out there---if you are out there---what is your perspective on this?

I really just want to understand all this, because I know that while I may feel squick about financial domination, others feel squick about my wanting to be tied up and whipped, and probably think its due to an insecurity. I feel the best way to help me through the squick is to understand a kink I just don't get. I know I'll probably get slammed for starting this thread, but hey, they say curiosity did kill the cat.

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You make this claim because you are the worst kind of antagonistic troll who is determined to waffle on ad infinitum, employing a faux intellectual style to convince himself that he is winning the argument.

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You make this claim because you are the worst kind of antagonistic troll who is determined to waffle on ad infinitum, employing a faux intellectual style to convince himself that he is winning the argument.

Not at all. I'm making these claims because they are correct. I don't know what a "faux intellectual style" is, but I suspect it's simply more of your way of hurling insults rather than argument. I believe that the arguments I've made, as well as others, shows this to be quite clear:

"Findomme" is a sleazy way to make a living. BTW, so is being a stockbroker, if you have a position against your client. I rather liken that to what you people are doing. The sad part is you're so blinded by your own egos and greed that you can't bloody see it!