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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 4:37:16 PM   
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There's an old expression...
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
OP...you're on your 100th time.
Stop using lack of bdsm experience as an excuse. This has nothing to do with bdsm.
He is using you and you're acting foolish.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 4:44:36 PM   
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Op, I do not mean to be overly critical here but I think you are quite changable, maybe all you needed was some people to tell you that if you are not happy then you should leave but the tone of your posts seem to suggest that you are fairly easily persuaded. To me that means if you feel bad about leaving without saying anything but actually want to leave then you do not offer him a chance to reply. If you do not want to be with a person who can ignore your sexual needs for two years then you write a letter/email whatever and do not read anything he sends you or answer your phone. You explain that you will not respond and that is it guilt free. Though I wonder how sure you are about what you really want.

I guess it really depends on how long you are willing to carry this on, whether you want to do the whole 'if you dont do this then I am leaving thing' personally that smacks of desperation to me if he isn't already listening to you then chances of him deciding he will suddenly are slim.

Good luck whatever you decide.



No offense taken. I love my Master I would love to keep him in my life, if he could met me half way and met some of my needs. But due to history It doesnt look like it will happen. If he cant meet my needs then I need to let him go. I did need to hear others opinions, and Kalikshamma hit the hail on the head. He is a narcissist, and I just dont think he will be able to give me what I need.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 4:57:07 PM   
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Chatterbox sorry all of this happened to you and even more sorry that it seems you had an even more difficult time on this thread. Everyone started at the beginning, everyone came into this lifestyle not knowing a whole heck of a lot, everyone made mistakes and it's a shame that most everyone forgets how it was when they started....live, learn, and move forward.


I hope it all works out for you.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:00:40 PM   
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Okay, so what do we have here?

A guy in Indiana with a public career, living alone, single, can meet only once a month with a female submissive, she does his chores and gives him a blow job, and it's difficult meeting because of conflicting schedules and he has no interest in sex.

I can't believe I'm the first one on this thread to consider this possibility.

Has it ever occurred to you OP that your Master might not be heterosexual, as in, like, homosexual?

He might be in the closet, and you are fulfilling the need of a woman in his life perhaps for the sake of appearances.

But the thing is, does it really matter anyway? Because I bet you don't know and this possibility might be making you wonder if you've never thought of it before.

A lack of experience is no excuse. You are responsible. You have been responsible ever since the day you were born, responsible for your words, responsible for your actions, responsible for your behaviour, responsible for the decisions you take, responsible for the choices you make it in life, and for what you do as a result.

Not having much experience in BDSM is not an excuse. Take a look at everyone here, you will notice that everyone has two legs, two arms, a body, a head, they have hair, they have skin, they have hairs, and all the right bits, they are just as much human beings as people outside BDSM and you relate to them pretty much in the same way.

You see you might call that what you share with your 'Master' a relationship, but is it really? From what I can see I couldn't even call it a decent cleaning job.

If this is a proper intimate D/s relationship between Master - submissive, then where is the intimacy, where is the mutual benefits, where are the payoffs for both?

At best it's nothing but a superficial relationship, or even closer to the truth, two separate individual people pretending to themselves that it's a relationship when it's anything but.

You appear to be doing one of the classic female sub things of shifting responsibility for yourself either onto your Master or onto the relationship itself and not seeking to develop a mutually rewarding and beneficial relationship with the man before you even consider him to become your Master.

You are 44 years old, why are you still creating superficial relationships in your mid-40's? Why is something so fundamental and basic as sex still an issue so far on into this 'relationship'?

Why are you assuming that relationships between men and women are different just because they involve BDSM?

Let me ask you, if this man was just a man, and not a dominant or a Master, would you still be having the same sort of relationship? If not, why not?

Do you love yourself? Do you see yourself as someone of value? Who are you? Do you know? Do you care?

Obviously the above aren't questions I'm looking for you to respond to. These are questions I'm suggesting you go away and ask yourself, and you keep asking yourself until you find the answers and are confident enough to feel you know the answers and have learned from the experiences.

You want a solution to your situation? here's one. Stop creating superficial relationships.

You might have come here thinking that BDSM is 'alternative' and you need a Master (a bit like needing shoes isn't it hun?)

You might think you can get away with these sorts of superficial relationships because it's BDSM.

But the bottom line is that these relationships are anything but superficial. And until you make that part of your mindset you are always going to run into these sorts of problems in whatever relationship you try to create.


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:22:28 PM   
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Stella, that was my first thought as well!! (the gay thingy)

Great post, as always <3

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:56:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

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Op, I do not mean to be overly critical here but I think you are quite changable, maybe all you needed was some people to tell you that if you are not happy then you should leave but the tone of your posts seem to suggest that you are fairly easily persuaded. To me that means if you feel bad about leaving without saying anything but actually want to leave then you do not offer him a chance to reply. If you do not want to be with a person who can ignore your sexual needs for two years then you write a letter/email whatever and do not read anything he sends you or answer your phone. You explain that you will not respond and that is it guilt free. Though I wonder how sure you are about what you really want.

I guess it really depends on how long you are willing to carry this on, whether you want to do the whole 'if you dont do this then I am leaving thing' personally that smacks of desperation to me if he isn't already listening to you then chances of him deciding he will suddenly are slim.

Good luck whatever you decide.



No offense taken. I love my Master I would love to keep him in my life, if he could met me half way and met some of my needs. But due to history It doesnt look like it will happen. If he cant meet my needs then I need to let him go. I did need to hear others opinions, and Kalikshamma hit the hail on the head. He is a narcissist, and I just dont think he will be able to give me what I need.




((((chatterbox))))) and hopes the lessons she'll have to learn in order to learn that she is valuable won't take her to carpet snot and tears. My blessing is that she learns her worth and learns to love herself enough to not let anyone misuse and or use the precious spirit that she is.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 7:08:59 PM   
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This is a fast response to your idea as to why he never kissed you again, and only wants bjs and never wants to fuck you. I haven't read the others.
Have you ever considered the thought that he may be gay? A pair of lips is a pair of lips, but fucking a woman may feel different than fucking a man.
I know it's a rude thought, and I'm sorry, but...it is something to think about.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 2:28:18 AM   
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Oh crap. Did I kill another thread? 
Sorry guys.
*slinks out*

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 3:53:20 AM   
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Nope you didnt Blushes:) in fact a few have said the same ting

Sometimes killing a thread is the most fun I have all day

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 3:54:24 AM   
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Oh, you'd like to be me then. I'm kinda a master at it.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 4:20:24 AM   
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dats coz you bee awezum!!!

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 6:05:40 AM   
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quote:

A guy in Indiana with a public career, living alone, single, can meet only once a month with a female submissive, she does his chores and gives him a blow job, and it's difficult meeting because of conflicting schedules and he has no interest in sex.

I can't believe I'm the first one on this thread to consider this possibility.

Has it ever occurred to you OP that your Master might not be heterosexual, as in, like, homosexual?

He might be in the closet, and you are fulfilling the need of a woman in his life perhaps for the sake of appearances.


I'm going to dismiss this for two reasons:

1. She's not out in public with him so not helping with appearances.

2. I was with a guy very much like this who was not gay - he got off on the mental control aspect. He was best in a LD relationship when he controlled every aspect of my life. It fell apart when I moved in and he couldn't handle the reality and intimacy of a real live woman living with him. I see the not kissing as an intimacy issue.

He used to put a lot of energy into getting "drive by blow jobs" from "catch and release" women - it wasn't the actual BJ he got off on but the seduction and capitulation - bending them to his will.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 6:20:35 AM   
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Nice little article about Narcissistic men and stress

Men who are narcissistic are likely to have higher levels of a primary stress hormone called cortisol, a new study finds.

However, the same trend was not as strong for women with narcissist traits, according to research published Monday in the journal Public Library of Science ONE.

“The more narcissistic, the more cortisol that men have in mundane situations,” said author Sara Konrath, who is the director of the Interdisciplinary Program on Empathy and Altruism Research at the University of Michigan.

Narcissism is a trait that exhibits “grandiosity, an inflated sense of self-importance, and over-estimations of uniqueness.” If severe, it can also be a personality disorder recognized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

The trait has some positive qualities, such as abundance of self-esteem and positive sense of self. Narcissistic people characteristically tend to overestimate their intellectual abilities, attractiveness and positive personality traits, wrote Konrath.

But they don’t enjoy healthy relationships with others because they’re generally low on empathy and high in hostility – especially when their positive self-image is threatened. Since previous research confirmed that narcissism has a harmful effect on relationships, Konrath wanted to know more.

“I wondered if there’s harm going on, but it’s a harm we can’t articulate or recognize,” she said.
Narcissists aren’t likely to admit that they’re stressed or anxious. So she needed an objective measure and decided to use cortisol levels to understand how narcissism could affect one’s health.

In the study, 106 undergraduate students (79 females, 27 males, mean age 20.1 years) from one Midwestern and one Southwestern American university took two cortisol tests and answered several questions about themselves. They were unknowingly taking the Narcissistic Personality Inventory, which is used to assess people’s narcissism.

It gives statements like “I find it easy to manipulate people,” and “If I ruled the world it would be a better place," to which the respondent agrees or disagrees.

Konrath observed that men with higher levels of narcissism had more cortisol. It was minimal in women, but about 2.5 times stronger in men.

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/23/narcissistic-men-have-higher-levels-of-stress-hormone/
More on the article and the "study"

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 6:28:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

A guy in Indiana with a public career, living alone, single, can meet only once a month with a female submissive, she does his chores and gives him a blow job, and it's difficult meeting because of conflicting schedules and he has no interest in sex.

I can't believe I'm the first one on this thread to consider this possibility.

Has it ever occurred to you OP that your Master might not be heterosexual, as in, like, homosexual?

He might be in the closet, and you are fulfilling the need of a woman in his life perhaps for the sake of appearances.


I'm going to dismiss this for two reasons:

1. She's not out in public with him so not helping with appearances.

2. I was with a guy very much like this who was not gay - he got off on the mental control aspect. He was best in a LD relationship when he controlled every aspect of my life. It fell apart when I moved in and he couldn't handle the reality and intimacy of a real live woman living with him. I see the not kissing as an intimacy issue.

He used to put a lot of energy into getting "drive by blow jobs" from "catch and release" women - it wasn't the actual BJ he got off on but the seduction and capitulation - bending them to his will.


Kalikshama, I just want to say you are one intelligent, insightful lady. You describe this man like you know him. Are you into psychology in some way?
I have opened my eyes completely to this situation. Not just what i want to see but what it truly is. ANd honest to God I thought this was some kind of introduction to the lifestyle by giving and showing trust. Now I see I have just been involved with a man with naricissitic tendencies and sadism who just happens to be involved in the lifestyle.
I am leaving him before he ruins my life. There have been many very good posts to help me reach that decision but I must say Kalikshama you are the one I thank the most because you have lived through such an ordeal. Sounds like yours advanced into living together which isnt gonna happen here, and I so MUCH THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart of this insight. HUGE HUGS TO YOU!!!

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 6:37:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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A guy in Indiana with a public career, living alone, single, can meet only once a month with a female submissive, she does his chores and gives him a blow job, and it's difficult meeting because of conflicting schedules and he has no interest in sex.

I can't believe I'm the first one on this thread to consider this possibility.

Has it ever occurred to you OP that your Master might not be heterosexual, as in, like, homosexual?

He might be in the closet, and you are fulfilling the need of a woman in his life perhaps for the sake of appearances.


I'm going to dismiss this for two reasons:

1. She's not out in public with him so not helping with appearances.

2. I was with a guy very much like this who was not gay - he got off on the mental control aspect. He was best in a LD relationship when he controlled every aspect of my life. It fell apart when I moved in and he couldn't handle the reality and intimacy of a real live woman living with him. I see the not kissing as an intimacy issue.

He used to put a lot of energy into getting "drive by blow jobs" from "catch and release" women - it wasn't the actual BJ he got off on but the seduction and capitulation - bending them to his will.


Okay.. you win.. I'm so sorry. I thought I was contributing to a thread on a message board sharing what I think and feel, not taking part in some competition or contest.

But anyway, the OP has what she wanted, and I guess that's the main thing.




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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 6:43:49 AM   
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It's possible he's gay but I agree with Kali
about the private aspect. He's not using
her as a beard. I'm assuming this is a
middle aged man if he was gay he'd
probably be getting on the down low.
Why bother with a woman?
My first boyfriend/lover was gay and
we kissed and fucked frequently.
I think Kali's number two theory makes
more sense. The not kissing is very
likely linked to a fear of intimacy .
She did say he kissed her once at
the beginning and said not to expect
it again or something.
It seems to be about mental control
as much as anything. But there are
relationships where kissing and intercourse
are off the table. If both are content
with that so be it, it's their relationship.
If one person wants more than the other
person is capable or willing to give they
have a decision to make.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 6:47:00 AM   
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Stella, while I think you are one of the most insightful posters on these forums, I just happen to disagree with you this time.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 6:49:36 AM   
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This guy sounds like a complete tool, and any relationship with him will end in tears. The important thing is that the OP is dumping him.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 7:08:17 AM   
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Yes the whole relationship has been about mental control. Over time it advanced to him asking for gifts to redeem myself. He wanted control over everything, and recently asked to start a bank account together and mind you we dont live together. This is when I started really thinking, something is definitely off with this guy. He has always knew i wanted more so he would say things to lead me on.
I am sure there are alot of people out there wondering how anyone could be so dumb. Trust me this man is a master manipulator, charming, demanding, and handsome. He has a gift of getting his way and being powerful in the world, and I fell for it. But now Im done.
If I was the person on the other end reading what this relationship has been, I would think what a freaking idiot!!! But Im not an idiot, I just got wrapped up in a guy who I loved and wanted to believe in. I dont have low self esteem, I never had trouble having relationships...........I just did a really foolish thing and that is keep talking to a controlling pursuasive man who after months got me to fall for his game. I am sure the challenge of getting me to comply was intoxicating for him.
If anyone else comes across this thread having the same problem. My advice is STOP ALL CONTACT AND RUN!

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/24/2012 7:17:45 AM   
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Stella, while I think you are one of the most insightful posters on these forums, I just happen to disagree with you this time.


This I understand and accept, but 'dismiss'? Really?

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