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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:38:39 AM   
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You gave him money on top of cleaning his house and blowing him? Oh dear.



Yah I know right!!!! I wouldnt want to lose me either if I was him. I helped him toward a car, and bought him an expensive tool to help with his work.

I really have been a love struck blind fool.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:45:02 AM   
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I prefer kink to vaginal-penile intercourse.  I'm not anti-sex, but I get more pleasure from other activities.  I think there are a lot more men like that than is generally assumed.

A friend of mine recently ended things with her boyfriend.  He had a costume fetish, and always wanted her to wear something to bed.  She told me that it really hurt her self-esteem that he never wanted to see her naked.  She enjoys dressing up, but the fact that he never just wanted to see her body made her feel undesirable and ugly.  Something to consider.

Regarding your comments about frumpiness or lack thereof: self-confidence and happiness are much more sexually attractive than tight abs.  How you look in the mirror really isn't the point.  Guys might buy you drinks and take you home, but a healthy man won't want to start a relationship with a woman who is a hot mess.

My best friend's 16-year-old son was diagnosed with cancer of the spinal cord about a week ago.  That is a problem that probably has no solution.  Your problem is solvable.  You just have to decide to solve it.  Maybe put things in perspective?

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:46:22 AM   
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After reading all of this, I can see how easy it must have been to fall in to this trap. Some might say you have been a fool, but I'd say you've just let your need to submit take over so that you allow this man to get away with treating you like this. Some ladies are perfectly happy to be treated this way, but it definitely sounds like you're not one of them.

You do come across as intelligent, so maybe this has opened up your eyes now, and helped you to see what you actually do want from a relationship.
A bad relationship should do just that. It obviously only suits him, and your frustrations will only get stronger, and if he's refusing to even talk about it or listen to your concerns, then it isn't a relationship, in my opinion.

It does sound like he is more than likely married, and probably feels that not kissing you, having sex with you isn't cheating (some men think like that, unfortunately).
I think it sounds like it's time you moved on and realised you're worth more than that, and also that you'll find someone else that will definitely be happy to have a proper relationship with you.
I really hope you find the happiness you deserve.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:50:33 AM   
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If he isn't interested in filling your needs, do not even consider accepting his collar unless you are prepared to live without those needs being fulfilled. From what I am getting from your post, he made it clear that sex was not in the deal. I wouldn't expect that to change just because you are wearing his collar. I f you do choose to accept his collar, then you have made your own bed and have no right to complain about it.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:55:03 AM   
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would you walk away before finding out what's going on? Without first talking to each other? She asked him one question and he gave her a vague answer. In my book that's not communication and I don't walk away without knowing more information but that's just me.



A valid point except you missed her statements that say he has never given her a straightforward answer to these questions and that he objects to her asking him questions.

How do you get an answer from someone who tells you not to ask him anything and refuses to answer anything?


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:55:22 AM   
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quote:

I prefer kink to vaginal-penile intercourse.  I'm not anti-sex, but I get more pleasure from other activities.  I think there are a lot more men like that than is generally assumed.


If I had to make a choice, I'd take kink over intercourse. I've had playmates who were kink only. That's not what she's describing though - he is only concerned with HIS needs.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:56:41 AM   
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I agree with all the others who have expressed concern.

If you are not happy with what he is currently giving you, then leave. (All of your posts on this thread suggest that you are not happy with the arrangement).

I, personally, could never be happy in any type of relationship (friendship, play partner, relationship, whatever) that was so one-sided. Even my platonic friendships are two-way streets.

And you do need to ask yourself what it is about this arrangement that has caused you to fall for him so deeply that you need to come to this forum to even ask your question? Why are you so wrapped up in him when he basically gives you nothing?

I've had relationships with narcissists before. But even the most narcissistic ones still gave me something in return for what I gave them. Some of the best sex of my life was with with a man who was certifiably NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). So if you asked me why I stayed in a relationship that was emotionally manipulative for longer than I should have - easy answer - it was the sex. I am really hard pressed to understand why you would be so emotionally wrapped up in someone who gives you nothing in return. He may have issues of his own, but, and please take this in the way it is meant, you may want to look at your self-esteem and you past relationship history to understand why you expect/want/can be satisfied with so little from a relationship.

I sincerely hope you can move on from this and find someone to be with who wants the same things that you do from a relationship. Not every relationship has the same give and take. But I don't know of a single successful relationship (vanilla, BDSM, or otherwise) that is completely one-sided.

Your expectation that things will change in the future is quite misplaced. This is one of those hard and fast rules of life. Things do not improve in that way. People generally present the best of themselves at the start of a relationship - generally the first 18 months to 2 years. If someone is not measuring up in that time frame - they are never going to change who they fundamentally are. This is just a fact. So many people end up with heartache thinking they can "change" someone, or that someone will ultimately "change" for them. It doesn't happen. I'm not being cynical. But I think you could do with a heavy reality check.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:00:25 AM   
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How to Make your Narcissist Dependent on You If you INSIST on Staying with Him

Listen attentively to everything the narcissist says and agree with it all. Don't believe a word of it but let it slide as if everything is just fine, business as usual.

Personally offer something absolutely unique to the narcissist which they cannot obtain anywhere else. Also be prepared to line up future sources of primary Narcissistic Supply for your narcissist because you will not be IT for very long, if at all. If you take over the procuring function for the narcissist, they become that much more dependent on you which makes it a bit tougher for them to pull their haughty stuff – an inevitability, in any case.

Be endlessly patient and go way out of your way to be accommodating, thus keeping the narcissistic supply flowing liberally, and keeping the peace (relatively speaking).

Be endlessly giving. This one may not be attractive to you, but it is a take it or leave it proposition.

Be absolutely emotionally and financially independent of the narcissist. Take what you need: the excitement and engulfment and refuse to get upset or hurt when the narcissist does or says something dumb, rude, or insensitive. Yelling back works really well but should be reserved for special occasions when you fear your narcissist may be on the verge of leaving you; the silent treatment is better as an ordinary response, but it must be carried out without any emotional content, more with the air of boredom and "I'll talk to you later, when I am good and ready, and when you are behaving in a more reasonable fashion".

If your narcissist is cerebral and NOT interested in having much sex – then give yourself ample permission to have "hidden" sex with other people. Your cerebral narcissist will not be indifferent to infidelity so discretion and secrecy is of paramount importance.

If your narcissist is somatic and you don't mind, join in on group sex encounters but make sure that you choose properly for your narcissist. They are heedless and very undiscriminating in respect of sexual partners and that can get very problematic (STDs and blackmail come to mind).

If you are a "fixer", then focus on fixing situations, preferably before they become "situations". Don't for one moment delude yourself that you can FIX the narcissist – it simply will not happen. Not because they are being stubborn – they just simply can't be fixed.
If there is any fixing that can be done, it is to help your narcissist become aware of their condition, and this is VERY IMPORTANT, with no negative implications or accusations in the process at all. It is like living with a physically handicapped person and being able to discuss, calmly, unemotionally, what the limitations and benefits of the handicap are and how the two of you can work with these factors, rather than trying to change them.

Finally, and most important of all: KNOW YOURSELF.

What are you getting from the relationship? Are you actually a masochist? A codependent perhaps? Why is this relationship attractive and interesting?

Define for yourself what good and beneficial things you believe you are receiving in this relationship.

Define the things that you find harmful TO YOU. Develop strategies to minimize the harm to yourself. Don't expect that you will cognitively be able to reason with the narcissist to change who they are. You may have some limited success in getting your narcissist to tone down on the really harmful behaviours THAT AFFECT YOU. This can only be accomplished in a very trusting, frank and open relationship.

FIVE DON'T DO'S

How to Avoid the Wrath of the Narcissist


1. Never disagree with the narcissist or contradict him;

2. Never offer him any intimacy;

3. Look awed by whatever attribute matters to him (for instance: by his professional achievements or by his good looks, or by his success with women and so on);

4. Never remind him of life out there and if you do, connect it somehow to his sense of grandiosity;

5. Do not make any comment, which might directly or indirectly impinge on his self-image, omnipotence, judgment, omniscience, skills, capabilities, professional record, or even omnipresence. Bad sentences start with: "I think you overlooked ... made a mistake here ... you don't know ... do you know ... you were not here yesterday so ... you cannot ... you should ... (perceived as rude imposition, narcissists react very badly to restrictions placed on their freedom) ... I (never mention the fact that you are a separate, independent entity, narcissists regard others as extensions of their selves, their internalization processes were screwed up and they did not differentiate properly) ..." You get the gist of it.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:00:53 AM   
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chatterbox.. he doesnt happen to live in Ohio, does he?



No he doesn't, he lives in indiana.....why does he have a twin in ohio? lol

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:06:06 AM   
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lol

damn near!

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:08:03 AM   
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And in Florida!

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:08:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fornica

You gave him money on top of cleaning his house and blowing him? Oh dear.



Yah I know right!!!! I wouldnt want to lose me either if I was him. I helped him toward a car, and bought him an expensive tool to help with his work.

I really have been a love struck blind fool.



I certainly wouldnt call you that... only... if you carry it on from this day forward.
We all screw up , we all fall for wrong people, , age isnt an antidote.
If you arent happy.... change things until you are.
Some of the comments here have made me laugh and shake my head, but , thats why Im not a slave or a submissive, its not what would/could make me happy.
If a selfish narcissist is a selfish narcissist, its not wrong, its just not how I wanna live the rest of my days, living out their wishes

if its your wish
go for it
YOUR responsibility is for what happens to YOU from now.
so...whatcha gonna do?
I wish you luck in whatever you do...


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:27:35 AM   
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ETA.. Ya know it could be he doesn't like fucking frumpy over 40 bitches. Without going into boring details. Suffice to say I had a bitch that gave me BJ on demand... I never boned her although she wanted more of a "relationship".



BadOne

< Message edited by SailingBum -- 1/23/2012 2:06:37 AM

I had to respond to this, always an idiot in the bunch....I would venture to say this frumpy 40+ yr old looks better then your play mate. Do not think since someone is over 40 they are not still very much in shape and young looking....so crawl back under your bridge moron. I am tempted to put a pic up but i will not be doing that.

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We get that you are not a frumpy over forty... but you seem to be acting as if you are. You allowed, for whatever reasons, a man to use you not only for housework and oral sex, but for gifts and money. Who does that without getting their needs met? I'll let you answer that one, as I have my own opinion. You are wondering what could be wrong with this guy or if things will change, which is what you really hoped would happen. Once again, placing yourself in the same position you placed yourself in to start with. Allowing someone to use you in many ways and calling it a lifestyle of some sort. In two years you never learned about any others or their experiences or checked into things? This doesn't suggest a problem with the one gaining the benefits so much as it suggests a problem with the one allowing someone to gain from them without a return of some sort. You got something out of it with the intense attraction and maybe romanticizing it all, but you didn't get your needs met and were told day one you would get one and only one kiss. You walked into this and stayed. Why? That is what you most need to understand.

I find it hard to believe that a woman your age would subject herself to this and not only subject herself to it, but willingly project herself into the situation. Some may go easy on you and say we all make mistakes or that it is sub frenzy/whatever, but I cannot do that as I don't think it does anyone any favors to enable their faulty thinking or personal excuse to do stupid in their own life and not be accountable within their own life. I say it like I see it and I see a woman that didn't get led down a wayward path, but a woman for whatever reasons, injected herself onto a wayward path and then came out complaining that she wasn't getting her needs met by someone else. Where is the personal accountability?

If you can earn enough money to support yourself and gift this man as much as it sounds like you have, then you have the skill set and should have the emotional skill set to know a bad business deal as well as a bad emotional deal. You are not a clueless youth.

So... you made a mistake or you foolishly and romantically allowed yourself a fool hardy situation. Don't blame him. Be accountable, learn your lessons even if a bit late in life and move on. But if you wish to bash him for taking advantage of what you willfully and willingly provided without a personal accounting and wish to make him the bad guy... which I fully believe he is, but you had a huge part in that... then don't count on all of us enabling you and patting you on the head.

A good submissive in my opinion has a good head on their shoulders, is accountable and doesn't play the fool because they want sex, a relationship, to get into a lifestyle or anything else. If you wish to be treated as if you have value, then act like you have value by valuing yourself and not allowing others to devalue you by holding their hand while they do it.


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:35:51 AM   
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I have learrned how to be more stable emotionally and more patient, being involved with him. I don't know how a man who doesn't met your needs can be the love of your life, but he is for me. If i didn't care so much for him he would have been toast along time ago....I used to go thru men like water, they dont do this they dont do that and I would become bored with them. If they showed me they liked me to much, it was a turn off. NOt sure whats up with that, but its very true.
This man is a good listener, and does keep in good contact with me, but he doesnt share feelings. He acts as if he can take me or leave me (probably cause he can!...lol) but he always would come back when I would get angry with his lack of emotion and sharing.
I dont have "fits" anymore, but I also know intellect is not enough. I wanted more with him. He doesnt have the same desire. If he gave me more physical I would probably stay with him and continue to spoil him. But basically I want my needs met in the future. ANd finding it elsewhere on the sly isnt an option. It was with him I wanted it not anyone else. So I guess I just need to get over him, and then maybe I can find someone who has some of his characteristics but isn't so self absorbed.
Sometimes love of someone just isn't enough.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:38:35 AM   
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Narcissists can be extremely charismatic and charming when it suits them.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:41:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

ETA.. Ya know it could be he doesn't like fucking frumpy over 40 bitches. Without going into boring details. Suffice to say I had a bitch that gave me BJ on demand... I never boned her although she wanted more of a "relationship".



BadOne

< Message edited by SailingBum -- 1/23/2012 2:06:37 AM

I had to respond to this, always an idiot in the bunch....I would venture to say this frumpy 40+ yr old looks better then your play mate. Do not think since someone is over 40 they are not still very much in shape and young looking....so crawl back under your bridge moron. I am tempted to put a pic up but i will not be doing that.




LOL gee thanks.... FYI beauty is in the eye of the beholder so just cuz you don't think your old and frumpy does NOT mean the guy who's cock your sucking holds that high of opinion of you.

BTFW this is not about my girl. This is about your jacked up relationship that i guess must remind you asked for advice on. I gave you a "Reality Check" that you don't want to hear It's apparent. Furthermore I did NOT call you old and frumpy. I said perhaps he doesn't like em that way. But If I was as insecure as you seem to be <your posts indicate that to me> I might read it as I was calling you frumpy.

Really YOU pay him....and your calling me a moron???? OMFG that is "classic" shakes my head and walks away ..you are beyond help.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:43:40 AM   
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then its down to you.
Gonna cut n run ? or not?
pretty simple..its up to you
no one else
if you stay and continue to get used....thats down to you, not him



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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:47:15 AM   
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We get that you are not a frumpy over forty... but you seem to be acting as if you are. You allowed, for whatever reasons, a man to use you not only for housework and oral sex, but for gifts and money. Who does that without getting their needs met? by Lockit

A giving person does that, in hopes of possibly mending the person they love. My Master was married before years ago and he won;t even talk about it.

I didnt come here to get my hand held. I came to a BDSM site hoping to find some answers into the lifestyle. I honestly believed his controlling ways were based on this lifestyle. I am a novice to all of this. I have read tons of literature on the subject of BDSM but never found any info that helped with my situation. I am learning its not about BDSM, its about his personality and it isnt part of the "normal" lifestyle process.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:53:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

ETA.. Ya know it could be he doesn't like fucking frumpy over 40 bitches. Without going into boring details. Suffice to say I had a bitch that gave me BJ on demand... I never boned her although she wanted more of a "relationship".



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< Message edited by SailingBum -- 1/23/2012 2:06:37 AM

I had to respond to this, always an idiot in the bunch....I would venture to say this frumpy 40+ yr old looks better then your play mate. Do not think since someone is over 40 they are not still very much in shape and young looking....so crawl back under your bridge moron. I am tempted to put a pic up but i will not be doing that.




LOL gee thanks.... FYI beauty is in the eye of the beholder so just cuz you don't think your old and frumpy does NOT mean the guy who's cock your sucking holds that high of opinion of you.

BTFW this is not about my girl. This is about your jacked up relationship that i guess must remind you asked for advice on. I gave you a "Reality Check" that you don't want to hear It's apparent. Furthermore I did NOT call you old and frumpy. I said perhaps he doesn't like em that way. But If I was as insecure as you seem to be <your posts indicate that to me> I might read it as I was calling you frumpy.

Really YOU pay him....and your calling me a moron???? OMFG that is "classic" shakes my head and walks away ..you are beyond help.

BadOne







You clearly have an attitude problem. ANd my opinion still stands about You from the first post. Most people are helpful. YOU ARE NOT.
Beyond help? lol. Look in the mirror and get some if You want to get crass.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 10:58:23 AM   
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I'm a mean person and I'm sorry if this has already been stated, but I can't read the five pages of replies hahaha!

I'm the kind of person where I need sex in a relationship. Not because it feels good or anything, but it has become ingrained into me as part of the dynamic. If I was told by a potential Master that he was never going to have sex with me, I would walk out the door. Why? Because it's important to me.

Now, is sex important to you? Do you want to be intimate with him? Does the idea of being intimate with him make you feel complete?

If you said yes to any of these questions, then you might want to weigh the pros and cons of this situation. If you enjoy sex and he won't give it to you, and it makes you sad that he won't, it might be best to do what's best for YOU.

A slave cannot serve without being happy. And you being unhappy that your Master is not intimate with you, will make it harder to serve...

I've been there. Twice. Do what's best for you hun. If you need someone to talk to, message me okay?


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