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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
1.) I shouldn't have to say I wasn't there.
Sure you do, since you're backing Martin like you were there. But then I guess, that's just because of the whole race card thing. He's black...you're black. At least I'm backing Zimmerman for reasons other than a shared race.
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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
2.) Why do I assume Trayvon wasn't the aggressor? Because his goal was to get home, Zimmerman approached him, and Zimmerman has a history of aggression and violence. That's why. I'm not saying it's absolutely true, but I have the grounds for an educated guess on that, and you don't.
Again, what grounds? Shared race? Because the article says that Zimmerman followed Martin, not that he "approached": him. There's even a comment from the police that indicated his following of Martin wasn't a crime. So again we have to wonder who approached whom. Had Martin (who was being followed, not approached) had continued on his path to his destination, he'd not have come anywhere close to Zimmerman. He would have gotten to the house, told his people some nut was following him and they'd have called the cops themselves. However, from the evidence we currently have, we see that the two came to blows. Why would he come to blows with someone just following him? The answer is because he went back to confront the guy and it didn't work out for him. So don't sit there and say you have the "grounds" for an educated guess and I don't. We both have access to the same information. You're siding with the black kid (for presumably obvious reasons) and I'm siding with the guy witnesses said was on the ground.
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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
3.) The report that you quoted said this: "a fist fight broke out and at one point Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top." ON TOP. Not standing over him. So they probably fell together, and Zimmerman landed on the back of his head. What, was Trayon O.C.D., and had to punch him in the back of the head every time he punched him in the face to make it even?
So now you're a forensic analyst about what "probably happened" based on what you've read....or is it again based on the shared race?
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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
4.) There is no misconception about size and advantage. WHY do you think boxing and MMA have weight divisions? Kazushi Sakuraba is an MMA fighter that fought in a division with no weight classes, and though he was an INCREDIBLE fighter, his first 3 losses came at the hands of men who outweighed him by 50 pounds. If you knew a girl who was attacking a man that was twice her size and winning, it was because he didn't want to fight her. I wouldn't have to explain that to most people.
I don't care why MMA has weight divisions. That doesn't prove that someone Martin's size and weight can't kick the ass of someone twice his size. That's what the whole point of most martial arts is. (Martial arts is the last "M" and the "A" in "MMA." Many martial arts teach that the size of your opponent is not a factor in whether or not you can defeat him. Had you mentioned boxing, you'd have had a point. But modern MMA stemmed from the old ultimate fighting championship shows where they'd have a tiny karate master fighting a sumo wrestler. Size doesn't matter.
Considering your obvious ignorance of the martial arts, I can see why you cling to this point. But you are wrong. And the moment you take any sort of a martial arts class -- karate, kung fu, ju-jitsu, etc. You'll learn this.
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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
5.) Assuming that someone who doesn't like being followed would instantly attack is not the logical conclusion. I'm willing to bet that if you thought someone was following you, you wouldn't just rush the guy. What we do know is that the dispatcher told him to stand down and he said, "No, THEY always get away" so we KNOW that he had some pre-concieved notions about what the boy was up to.
And assuming he didn't attack because you share the same race and you share the same "outrage" over the incident as the other people playing the race card doesn't hold water either. I never said I'd just rush someone who was following me. However, some people would at least say something. Then the follower would reply, words would be exchanged, and things would escalate. That's what I believe happened. You have your belief, I have mine. But as I've said numerous times, neither of us were there.
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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
6.) There is a HUGE difference between being active when there is suspicious activity and making sure that no one's doing anything suspicious. Would you be o.k. with the police periodically searching every inch of your house to make sure you don't have any drugs or hostages? What about someone who isn't the police, just some random guy who took it upon himself to make sure you're clean?
If that random guy was following me? I'd ask him why and then we'd have a chat. I certainly wouldn't be offended if he was trying to keep the neighborhood safe. Hell, I'd probably be out there with him. This story isn't about some cop entering someone's home uninvited or a black captain breaking into someone's home to check them out. This story is about a guy watching his own neighborhood, seeing something he thought was suspicious and acting on it. I'd much rather live in this guy's neighborhood than that of people who tell you to "mind your own business" just because you happen to glance their way or those who'd ignore your car/house alarm because they don't want to get involved and be called "snitches."
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