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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 10:34:32 AM

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Romney's father was Gov. of Mich and ran for Pres in 68 not much question about his status.

Which is hilarious because George was born in Mexico.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 10:36:50 AM

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Excuse me WRONG! Obama was born in indonesia to and sent to his grandmother in hawaii, in those days there was no computerized verification of live births and false document could have easily been submitted to schools and other institutions to establish residency. Back then Paper hanging was an uncommonly know skill. Children birth either at home or in hospitals were issued 2 forms of birth records NONE of which have ever been produced.

Document one, the Hospital Certificate of birth that come from the Medical center where the birth is first reported, this contains the footprint and hand print of the baby and is cerimonial in nature and for the parent to keep, As the finger/foot print doesnt change with age, that is verifiable proof of live US borth; NON EXIST or has be revealed.

Document two, the County Registar Office Original Certificate of live birth printed on treasury grade paper, watermarked, microprinted, security thread embedded that looks like money. Only one is issued, copies cannot be produced is considered the primary form of identification; NONE EXIST or has be revealed.

Document three, lastly when the above two cannot be located, an certified reprint of the computerized record from the of the County Registar, printed on standard 10pin microperf paper, sometimes offically watermarked, but typically just stamped or embosed with a country seal. This is considered the your secondary form of identification; It can be easly copied, created forged manuafactured by a skilled artist; THIS is the only document ever to produced the puiblic. In my opinion with out documents one or two, Three canoot be consider 100% verifiable. And that is my two cents.

The President's birth was reported in 2 seperate newspapers in Honolulu. Why precisely would a college student married to a Kenyan student travel to Indonesia to have a baby?

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 10:41:46 AM

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Excuse me WRONG!

Yes, you are.

Now get back in your stall.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 12:57:48 PM

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its really fucking strange that so many people are saying the feds are soft on immigration when Obama has deported more illegals in the 3ish years he has been Prez than Bush did in his entire 8 years.. I have posted the articles and stats before on some of the illegal immigration threads.. anyone interested can google them..

My guess is that should AZ succeed with this court thingie, then once Obama is re-elected he will bring in new immigration legislation that will allow people to become legal with less hoops to hurdle.. jmo..

Any one can also Google articles in which Obama himself says his deportation stats are deceptive because 2/3rds of those counted as "deported" were simply returned back across the border immediately after being caught crossing the border.

so? that still fits the definition of being deported.. just cuz it didnt take 400+ days and a holding cost of I think its something like $130/day.. doesnt mean the people werent deported..

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 1:07:22 PM

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not to really get into what qualifes as being American.. I read that an American woman/parents living outside the US but using invitro to get pregers needs to prove to the US govt that the baby is actually theirs (meaning genetically).. and if a woman/parents use a surrogate, even if the egg/sperm is from them so is theirs gentically, they must adopt their own baby for it to have American citizenship & before the baby can enter the US.. to complicate things more, the country the baby is born in has the decision on if the baby can be adopted and taken out of the country..

There are various babies outside the US in limbo due to the way the US & other countries view what is citizenship and who does not qualify, etc.. I personally found that interesting cuz India has a little cottage industry in surrogates for foreigners.. but the citizenship issue is something that most people have not looked into well enough..

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 1:08:32 PM

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Obama is a usurper of unproven origin, his fake Social Security Number of Connecticut origin notwithstanding.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 4:39:12 PM

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My bad, I have been ignoring his posts.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/24/2012 4:47:33 PM

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 6:00:15 AM

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The "Arizona insanity" is spreading...and needs to be stopped!

Woman sues ICE, RI prison director over detention

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A North Providence, Rhode Island woman has sued several federal immigration officials, the Rhode Island prison system director and others claiming she was illegally detained as a possible illegal immigrant.

The state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union filed the federal lawsuit on Tuesday on behalf of 48-year-old American citizen Ada Morales....

The suit says Morales was born in Guatemala and became a U.S. citizen in 1995. It also says Morales was detained under the same circumstances in 2004.

She's been a legal, naturalized American citizen for over 15 years!

Born legally in the United States, a legally naturalized citizen of the United States - it doesn't matter if the Arizona law gets upheld and spreads to the other 49 states.

It seems we are being left with only one of two choices:

a) Every legal U.S. citizen has to be issued a National Identity card within 30 days of birth (or on the day they become a naturalized citizen) which they will be required to carry at all times the moment they set foot outside their home, or

b) Any legal U.S. citizen can be locked up at any time by any local, state or federal law enforcement officer if any local, state or federal law enforcement officer thinks they "look foreign".

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 10:00:18 AM

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The "Arizona insanity" is spreading...and needs to be stopped!

Woman sues ICE, RI prison director over detention

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A North Providence, Rhode Island woman has sued several federal immigration officials, the Rhode Island prison system director and others claiming she was illegally detained as a possible illegal immigrant.

The state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union filed the federal lawsuit on Tuesday on behalf of 48-year-old American citizen Ada Morales....

The suit says Morales was born in Guatemala and became a U.S. citizen in 1995. It also says Morales was detained under the same circumstances in 2004.

She's been a legal, naturalized American citizen for over 15 years!

Born legally in the United States, a legally naturalized citizen of the United States - it doesn't matter if the Arizona law gets upheld and spreads to the other 49 states.

It seems we are being left with only one of two choices:

a) Every legal U.S. citizen has to be issued a National Identity card within 30 days of birth (or on the day they become a naturalized citizen) which they will be required to carry at all times the moment they set foot outside their home, or

b) Any legal U.S. citizen can be locked up at any time by any local, state or federal law enforcement officer if any local, state or federal law enforcement officer thinks they "look foreign".

When SB 1070 was being debated in the legislature and looked like it was going to pass, I decided to get my paperwork in order. I drove to San Jose, California to get my birth certificate, because I had lost mine somewhere along the way. I needed it in order to apply for a U.S. passport and passport card, which I did right away. I used to have a passport back in the 1980s, but at some point, I lost it. It would have been expired by now anyway.

So, now, I carry my U.S. passport card with me wherever I go, and I keep my regular passport hidden in a safe place at home, just in case.

Not that anyone would confuse me for anything other than a typical white bread Anglo-American, but I just wanted to be on the safe side.

All in all, however, there's no practical way of getting around having to carry some form of ID, even if it's just a driver's license and social security card. Every time I'm pulled over by the cops, they ask for my license, registration, and proof of insurance. They don't actually say "Papers, please" in a German accent, but they just might as well, since it amounts to the same thing. Heck, I even have to show my driver's license at Subway if I want to use my debit card to buy a fucking sandwich. I hate that.

I can understand why people might resist carrying ID or showing it when asked, but it's a part of our system and a part of our culture. There's no way around it, as far as I can see. I would be the first one to applaud if cops were restricted from stopping people for bullshit reasons and asking for ID, as well as outright prohibitions on banks, bars, restaurants, and other businesses from asking for people's ID cards.

That's really the way to go, if we really wish to deal with this problem. But I don't think that will ever happen.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 10:28:39 AM

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there's no practical way of getting around having to carry some form of ID, even if it's just a driver's license and social security card.

ummm... having a drivers license and social security card does not mean you are an American citizen or a legal immigrant.. People can get a CA drivers license without proving they are an American/legal immigrant (or having a SSN) and same thing with the US social security card.. I lived in Canada and I have had a US SSN for ages before ever coming here (they mailed it to me in Canada) and its perfectly legal and its still valid.

... just sayin'..

btw, what happened to this woman happens to a lot of Americans/legal immigrants.. some have even been physically deported outside the US.. even before their identity/citizenship can be confirmed.. pretty sad..

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 10:33:10 AM

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there's no practical way of getting around having to carry some form of ID, even if it's just a driver's license and social security card.

ummm... having a drivers license and social security card does not mean you are an American citizen or a legal immigrant..

ummm... I'm well aware of this, but that's beside the point. If it's okay to ask for some forms of identification, why is it so outrageous if someone is asked to verify that they're in the country legally? What's the difference? Why is one perfectly okay, while the other is not? Can someone please explain the inconsistency here?

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 10:58:51 AM

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there's no practical way of getting around having to carry some form of ID, even if it's just a driver's license and social security card.

ummm... having a drivers license and social security card does not mean you are an American citizen or a legal immigrant..

ummm... I'm well aware of this, but that's beside the point. If it's okay to ask for some forms of identification, why is it so outrageous if someone is asked to verify that they're in the country legally? What's the difference? Why is one perfectly okay, while the other is not? Can someone please explain the inconsistency here?

many people think if you have a drivers license that you are an american/legal.. most states work that way, but not all of them.. and even fewer know you can (unless that has changed) also get a SSN even if you arent american/legal..

I dont know your Constitution and all that, if that allows or disallows people being asked, it may or may not but you cant be stopped & questioned for simply no reason..

Also, certain visitors are allowed in without getting their passport stamped or without getting a paper visa.. so they can be in the US legally but not American or immigrants..

and quite frankly,.. I dont want to carry my passport or birth certificate on me since they are very valuable and very difficult and time consuming to replace if lost or stolen.. and what happens to someone that does lose those? are they required to be housebound while waiting months for that ID to be replaced if that id was a requirement to move about freely?

And actually, I need my drivers license to prove i have the legal authority to drive, I should be able to walk down the street, ride a bus or do various things with no id at all on me..

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 3:50:36 PM

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"What does sovereignty mean if it does not include the ability to defend borders?"

Justice Scalia while reviewing arguments on SB1070, April 25, 2012.

I suspect we are seeing another instance of the Court using common sense to kill another effort of the Administration, but instead of killing an illegal law passed by the Obama administration, they are killing an effort by the Administration to halt enforcement of a legal law passed by the Sovereign State of Arizona.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 4:02:47 PM

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"What does sovereignty mean if it does not include the ability to defend borders?"

Are you saying that Arizona should be able to pass their own taxes and tariffs and decide what other American (or other) citizens may or may not cross their borders?

That is, after all, the definition of soverign.

Once again, Ima calling short sighted bullshit.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 4:15:27 PM

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"What does sovereignty mean if it does not include the ability to defend borders?"

Are you saying that Arizona should be able to pass their own taxes and tariffs and decide what other American (or other) citizens may or may not cross their borders?

That is, after all, the definition of soverign.

Once again, Ima calling short sighted bullshit.

I think the Justice meant what he said. Nothing more. Nothing less. I don't recall him saying anything like your response. I like what he said but you did a nice attempt at lib spin.

Game on

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 4:28:14 PM

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I think the Justice meant what he said. Nothing more. Nothing less. I don't recall him saying anything like your response. I like what he said but you did a nice attempt at lib spin.

Game on

Then My advice to you is don't use words that you don't know the meaning of.

Nice try at intelligent spin. It didn't work.

Signed a Gun carrying, McCain Voting, Pro death penalty asshole who seems to be one of the only ones around with a brain.

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If you don't know what big words like sovereign mean, don't use em. It makes you look terribly silly.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 6:16:20 PM

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"What does sovereignty mean if it does not include the ability to defend borders?"

Are you saying that Arizona should be able to pass their own taxes and tariffs and decide what other American (or other) citizens may or may not cross their borders?

That is, after all, the definition of soverign.

Once again, Ima calling short sighted bullshit.

there are several degrees of sovereign and as citizen you waived your right of prerogative.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 6:24:33 PM

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"What does sovereignty mean if it does not include the ability to defend borders?"

Justice Scalia while reviewing arguments on SB1070, April 25, 2012.

I suspect we are seeing another instance of the Court using common sense to kill another effort of the Administration, but instead of killing an illegal law passed by the Obama administration, they are killing an effort by the Administration to halt enforcement of a legal law passed by the Sovereign State of Arizona.

Game On.

Technically a state cannot be sovereign, only living flesh and blood, however they are presumed sovereign even though the creators had no power to authorize such it. A state can act with the authority of a sovereign however. Now many here wont catch that distinction any more than they did when they put that brit in the oval office but one takes your unalienable right away the other fully empowers you.

federal means contract, the states operate under contract with one another.

Back before they burned the constitution (after the founders died) the sovereignty you are thinking of burned right with them, right along with the state militia and conscientious objection to murdering in war and a host of other issues that were flushed right with it.

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RE: AZ SB1070 to go before Supreme Court this week - 4/25/2012 6:28:09 PM

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semisweet. I am not a birther, but we have yet to see obama's birth certificate. You are right though, he is a Kenyan.

hes a brit

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