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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:19:06 PM   
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Oh and if you live by the ocean and you have a huge spiderweb ground in the ocean, you could listen to any of the larger asian radio stations with a crystal radio.

Of course gubafias do not want you to know this

Yeah cause we all know how fantastic crystal sets were! Sure the "gubafias" forced people to buy those better sounding more reliable tube sets in the 1930s and 40s, didn't they, just like they put a complete stop to SW transmission, and the sale of internet radio receivers?

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:23:16 PM   
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I know it will and it does.  but it dont matter, you see, because that does not produce gas mileage.



it wont,

its a replacement for gas

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:25:54 PM   
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Oh and if you live by the ocean and you have a huge spiderweb ground in the ocean, you could listen to any of the larger asian radio stations with a crystal radio.

Of course gubafias do not want you to know this

Yeah cause we all know how fantastic crystal sets were! Sure the "gubafias" forced people to buy those better sounding more reliable tube sets in the 1930s and 40s, didn't they, just like they put a complete stop to SW transmission, and the sale of internet radio receivers?



once again side stepping the point with meaningless crapola red herrings.

you are wrong about ac being more efficient than dc by any reasonable noteworthy margin, but I wont respo0nd to it because it will result in your ducking out of your silly statement and arguing the definition of how YOU meant efficiency, not how it is used in the industry.


oh and there are a lot of people selling purely garbage with the tesla name attached. Unlike most I know how to tell what is tesla and what is not so its buyer beware.

The pics I posted of him not getting the meat blown off his bones is tesla.






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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:33:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Oh and if you live by the ocean and you have a huge spiderweb ground in the ocean, you could listen to any of the larger asian radio stations with a crystal radio.

Of course gubafias do not want you to know this

Yeah cause we all know how fantastic crystal sets were! Sure the "gubafias" forced people to buy those better sounding more reliable tube sets in the 1930s and 40s, didn't they, just like they put a complete stop to SW transmission, and the sale of internet radio receivers?

once again side stepping the point with meaningless crapola red herrings.

Its side stepping nothing. You were suggesting crystal sets were the cat's pajamas and/or that the "gubs" were preventing people listening from Asia. Total horseshit of course.

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you are wrong about ac being more efficient than dc by any reasonable noteworthy margin, but I wont respo0nd to it because it will result in your ducking out of your silly statement and arguing the definition of how YOU meant efficiency, not how it is used in the industry.

If you're going to fucking reply make some effort to read what I meant. I stated "Its very well known Tesla's AC system was more efficient at the transmission of electricity than the competing DC system." http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4119413 and elaborated on that. Industrial use was just one aspect of its positives.

The entire issue has been well documented so the fact you don't understand it illustrates your own abject ignorance. Some refer to it as the "Current wars": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents#The_competing_systems

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In the alternating current system, a transformer was used between the (relatively) high voltage distribution system and the customer loads. Lamps and small motors could still be operated at some convenient low voltage. However, the transformer would allow power to be transmitted at much higher voltages, say, ten times that of the loads. For a given quantity of power transmitted, the wire cross-sectional area would be inversely proportional to the voltage used. Alternatively, the allowable length of a circuit, given a wire size and allowable voltage drop, would increase approximately as the square of the distribution voltage. This had the practical significance that fewer, larger generating plants could serve the load in a given area. Large loads, such as industrial motors or converters for electric railway power, could be served by the same distribution network that fed lighting, by using a transformer with a suitable secondary voltage.



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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:47:07 PM   
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Since we've known for decades now that time and space are only local phenomena, not absolutes, we shouldn't be looking for better transport anyway--we should just be where we want to be!


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:50:26 PM   
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I know it will and it does.  but it dont matter, you see, because that does not produce gas mileage.



it wont,

its a replacement for gas


The light bulb as a replacement for gas.......ok, little fuzzy on that right now, but let me read up on a little chemistry overnight......

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:55:37 PM   
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No, silly. I have windows.

Bastid

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 2:57:37 PM   
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His skills of persuasion must be impressive!


Nah ... I was talking about the mad man of Minnesota... Ron tells em he's got a petting zoo and his driveway is just way too long for them to run away.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:06:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Oh and if you live by the ocean and you have a huge spiderweb ground in the ocean, you could listen to any of the larger asian radio stations with a crystal radio.

Of course gubafias do not want you to know this

Yeah cause we all know how fantastic crystal sets were! Sure the "gubafias" forced people to buy those better sounding more reliable tube sets in the 1930s and 40s, didn't they, just like they put a complete stop to SW transmission, and the sale of internet radio receivers?

once again side stepping the point with meaningless crapola red herrings.

Its side stepping nothing. You were suggesting crystal sets were the cat's pajamas and/or that the "gubs" were preventing people listening from Asia. Total horseshit of course.

quote:


you are wrong about ac being more efficient than dc by any reasonable noteworthy margin, but I wont respo0nd to it because it will result in your ducking out of your silly statement and arguing the definition of how YOU meant efficiency, not how it is used in the industry.

If you're going to fucking reply make some effort to read what I meant. I stated "Its very well known Tesla's AC system was more efficient at the transmission of electricity than the competing DC system." http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4119413 and elaborated on that. Industrial use was just one aspect of its positives.

The entire issue has been well documented so the fact you don't understand it illustrates your own abject ignorance. Some refer to it as the "Current wars": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents#The_competing_systems

quote:

In the alternating current system, a transformer was used between the (relatively) high voltage distribution system and the customer loads. Lamps and small motors could still be operated at some convenient low voltage. However, the transformer would allow power to be transmitted at much higher voltages, say, ten times that of the loads. For a given quantity of power transmitted, the wire cross-sectional area would be inversely proportional to the voltage used. Alternatively, the allowable length of a circuit, given a wire size and allowable voltage drop, would increase approximately as the square of the distribution voltage. This had the practical significance that fewer, larger generating plants could serve the load in a given area. Large loads, such as industrial motors or converters for electric railway power, could be served by the same distribution network that fed lighting, by using a transformer with a suitable secondary voltage.






so you post a link to your original incorrect thery as proof you are right LMAO

You never cease to make me LMAO


It does not say it was more efficient, can you try and at lease reference the point you are trying to support instead of these constant red herrings.

Ac is not more efficient than dc sorry. Your misconception.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:11:52 PM   
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Since we've known for decades now that time and space are only local phenomena, not absolutes, we shouldn't be looking for better transport anyway--we should just be where we want to be!





they can be represented as such but are not limited to that.

tesla is on record stating that einstein with his curved space and time is a bit out to lunch as space nor time curves. However you can create any bullshit theory and put it into a formula.


einsteins "c" as a "constant" has now been proven to be bullshit as well by a very talented japanese kid.






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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:17:46 PM   
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I know it will and it does.  but it dont matter, you see, because that does not produce gas mileage.



it wont,

its a replacement for gas


The light bulb as a replacement for gas.......ok, little fuzzy on that right now, but let me read up on a little chemistry overnight......



not the light bulb, tesla electricity that can be transmitted to any point on the globe to power whatever your lil ole heart desires. yes it can replace gas or even refine it if you like.


here see if you can figger out what he is talking about here;

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It was on the third of July—the date I shall never forget—when I obtained the first decisive experimental evidence of a truth of overwhelming importance for the advancement of humanity. A dense mass of strongly charged clouds gathered in the west and towards the evening a violent storm broke loose which, after spending much of its fury in the mountains, was driven away with great velocity over the plains. Heavy and long persisting arcs formed almost in regular time intervals. My observations were now greatly facilitated and rendered more accurate by the experiences already gained. I was able to handle my instruments quickly and I was prepared. The recording apparatus being properly adjusted, its indications became fainter and fainter with the increasing distance of the storm, until they ceased altogether. I was watching in eager expectation. Surely enough, in a little while the indications again began, grew stronger and stronger and, after passing through a maximum, gradually decreased and ceased once more. Many times, in regularly recurring intervals, the same actions were repeated until the storm which, as evident from simple computations, was moving with nearly constant speed, had retreated to a distance of about three hundred kilometers. Nor did these strange actions stop then, but continued to manifest themselves with undiminished force. Subsequently, similar observations were also made by my assistant, Mr. Fritz Lowenstein, and shortly afterward several admirable opportunities presented themselves which brought out, still more forcibly, and unmistakably, the true nature of the wonderful phenomenon. No doubt, whatever remained: I was observing stationary waves.

As the source of disturbances moved away the receiving circuit came successively upon their nodes and loops. Impossible as it seemed, this planet, despite its vast extent, behaved like a conductor of limited dimensions. The tremendous significance of this fact in the transmission of energy by my system had already become quite clear to me. Not only was it practicable to send telegraphic messages to any distance without wires, as I recognized long ago, but also to impress upon the entire globe the faint modulations of the human voice, far more still, to transmit power, in unlimited amounts, to any terrestrial distance and almost without loss.

With these stupendous possibilities in sight, and the experimental evidence before me that their realization was henceforth merely a question of expert knowledge, patience and skill, I attacked vigorously the development of my magnifying transmitter, now, however, not so much with the original intention of producing one of great power, as with the object of learning how to construct the best one. This is, essentially, a circuit of very high self-induction and small resistance which in its arrangement, mode of excitation and action, may be said to be the diametrical opposite of a transmitting circuit typical of telegraphy by Hertzian or electromagnetic radiations. It is difficult to form an adequate idea of the marvelous power of this unique appliance, by the aid of which the globe will be transformed. The electromagnetic radiations being reduced to an insignificant quantity, and proper conditions of resonance maintained, the circuit acts like an immense pendulum, storing indefinitely the energy of the primary exciting impulses and impressions upon the earth of the primary exciting impulses and impressions upon the earth and its conducting atmosphere uniform harmonic oscillations of intensities which, as actual tests have shown, may be pushed so far as to surpass those attained in the natural displays of static electricity.

Simultaneously with these endeavors, the means of individualization and isolation were gradually improved. Great importance was attached to this, for it was found that simple tuning was not sufficient to meet the vigorous practical requirements. The fundamental idea of employing a number of distinctive elements, co-operatively associated, for the purpose of isolating energy transmitted, I trace directly to my perusal of Spencer's clear and suggestive exposition of the human nerve mechanism. The influence of this principle on the transmission of intelligence, and electrical energy in general, cannot as yet be estimated, for the art is still in the embryonic stage; but many thousands of simultaneous telegraphic and telephonic messages, through one single conducting channel, natural or artificial, and without serious mutual interference, are certainly practicable, while millions are possible. On the other hand, any desired degree of individualization may be secured by the use of a great number of co-operative elements and arbitrary variation of their distinctive features and order of succession. For obvious reasons, the principle will also be valuable in the extension of the distance of transmission.

Progress though of necessity slow was steady and sure, for the objects aimed at were in a direction of my constant study and exercise. It is, therefore, not astonishing that before the end of 1899 I completed the task undertaken and reached the results which I have announced in my article in the Century Magazine of June, 1900, every word of which was carefully weighed.

Much has already been done towards making my system commercially available, in the transmission of energy in small amounts for specific purposes, as well as on an industrial scale. The results attained by me have made my scheme of intelligence transmission, for which the name of "World Telegraphy" has been suggested, easily realizable. It constitutes, I believe, in its principle of operation, means employed and capacities of application, a radical and fruitful departure from what has been done heretofore. I have no doubt that it will prove very efficient in enlightening the masses, particularly in still uncivilized countries and less accessible regions, and that it will add materially to general safety, comfort and convenience, and maintenance of peaceful relations. It involves the employment of a number of plants, all of which are capable of transmitting individualized signals to the uttermost confines of the earth. Each of them will be preferably located near some important center of civilization and the news it receives through any channel will be flashed to all points of the globe. A cheap and simple device, which might be carried in one's pocket, may then be set up somewhere on sea or land, and it will record the world's news or such special messages as may be intended for it. Thus the entire earth will be converted into a huge brain, as it were, capable of response in every one of its parts. Since a single plant of but one hundred horse-power can operate hundreds of millions of instruments, the system will have a virtually infinite working capacity, and it must needs immensely facilitate and cheapen the transmission of intelligence.

The first of these central plants would have been already completed had it not been for unforeseen delays which, fortunately, have nothing to do with its purely technical features. But this loss of time, while vexatious, may, after all, prove to be a blessing in disguise. The best design of which I know has been adopted, and the transmitter will emit a wave complex of total maximum activity of ten million horse-power, one per cent. of which is amply sufficient to "girdle the globe." This enormous rate of energy delivery, approximately twice that of the combined falls of Niagara, is obtainable only by the use of certain artifices, which I shall make known in due course.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:19:17 PM   
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tesla is on record stating that einstein with his curved space and time is a bit out to lunch as space nor time curves.


Not exactly. At the age of 81, Tesla challenged Einstein's theory of relativity, announcing that he was working on a dynamic theory of gravity that would do away with the calculation of space curvature.

The theory was never published.

That Einstein has been superseded is very old news. That doesn't turn science back to the 19th century.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:21:21 PM   
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Yeah, fuck that.   so what, here now?  this tesla coil will turn the wheels how?  lets have the proof of concept in a working model.  Not lighting lightbulbs, hell even a ford original modified carraige carrying folks around via a tesla coil in a lightning storm.  I will allow a whip antennae of 16 feet if necessary in the design, bent to follow the carline.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:25:04 PM   
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so what, here now? this tesla coil will turn the wheels how?


That's not how it works. Here....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFC8sDTXlng

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:27:17 PM   
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You are like others seem to be looking for any red herring you can get to stick.


Dude... what I cited earlier was a scientific fact. Not only do I know it, I've done it for laughs for my kid's at the Gloucester Heritage Museum with the Itinerant Science teacher for our district who produces science and marine biology presentations to take around to the schools.
And we used DC and AC ... but at regular house current. And I DEFY you to show how that was more than just plain old skin effect transmission of electricity.


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I have not tried it but it is unlikely that a car battery would light a 110 volt 100 wat bulb more than very dim if at al.



Wrongola my furry friend... If you go to one of those auto parts stores I know they have so many of out your way, you'll find they have a similar deal for about $15 already made and the bulb is an incandescent that rivals those 5 - 15 watt kitchen appliance bulbs or one from a lava lamp.
The more expensive ones are really fluorescent DC bulbs like these
http://www.ablamp.com/12vdc_solar_lamp_cfl.html
hey great idea to shut you up... do it with those... then you can really get all Uncle Fester 'n' shit

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The question is do you know why?



Do you?

BY THE WAY... Here's a nice Tesla screensaver to keep your imagination flowing.
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/flash/tesla.zip


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:30:31 PM   
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But in my mind I saw it like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VKg5Wlw94w&feature=related


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:32:46 PM   
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That's not how it works. Here....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFC8sDTXlng


Fuckin Shame On You

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:36:11 PM   
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That's not how it works. Here....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFC8sDTXlng


I found earlier evidence demonstrating you proof is pure fluff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9P2V0_p6vE


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:37:15 PM   
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He coulda did Skynard, but saved you the embarrassment........

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 5/16/2012 3:40:59 PM   
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I will allow a whip


There's always gotta be a whip, doesn't there Ron?


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