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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 7:30:05 AM   
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GO FARGLE! So how'd you do it?

I'm liking myfitnesspal - 14 # and counting.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 9:46:35 AM   
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John Walker's "The Hacker's Diet" goes into using an exponentially weighted moving average to derive a TREND of your weight. He used a spreadsheet. I started with a spreadsheet, but in true hacker's form, I needed to re-implement it as a web-service with all sorts of visualization.

Basically, I get on the scale every day, and plug that number into the web page. The computer tells me, based on trending, how much my weight changed yesterday.

So, then I consider that number every time I make a decision TODAY. Tomorrow the process repeats. Over time, I learn better and better sustainable habits.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 10:02:21 AM   
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That's basically how I started out and still use when I get off track but I've never used a grid or chart or anything. I've always just kept in mind my weight on the scale from the day before and everytime I go to get something to eat, I keep that number in mind and it helps me to continue to eat healthy without having to go on some kind of weird or fad diet.



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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 10:08:47 AM   
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Unless you are sucking cock keep your mouth closed.

Have forethought about everything you put in your mouth.

A doctor friend of mine told me losing weight was easy....Just keep your mouth closed.

For most people the take away is 2000 calories will either maintain, or put on weight depending on your system. Less than 2000 should drop your weight.

Some folks have good luck with something called the alternate day diet. You keep every other day to 500 calories. In any case time to start counting the calories and if you can average 1500 a day you will make slow but study progress. Do not get discouraged by being stuck at a particular weight for some time. Also note that women lose slower than men.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 10:12:56 AM   
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I've always been told that for men it's 2000 and for women it's 1200. I don't really keep track of calories anymore since I pretty much know the caloric intake of almost everything I like and eat but I keep it lower than 1200 so I know I will continue to lose. If I stay at that number then I know I'm just going to stay where I am.

My problem is that I always eat when I'm watching tv or doimg something else boring or mind numbing. I am just not thinking about it. So I made a decision to just not keep a lot of food in my house. This way I know I won't eat during those times lol.

Master's not thrilled with it when he comes over lol but it's the only way I can keep from eating during those times.


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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 10:36:49 AM   
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20% activity management.

that made me laugh.. sort of an oxymoron.. "activity management".. but first a person needs some "activity" to manage, dont they?

When you hear about Biggest Loser and how they exercise for like 4 hours a day.. sorta makes me wonder.. before leaving CA I was on a strict diet and exercising hard for 45 minutes twice a day and those last pounds just wouldnt budge.. When i get to TX I will take another crack at it.. I need someplace where i am comfortable and organized..

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 4:26:49 PM   
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I think that also was a big part of losing weight for me also....being in a place that is stable, comfortable, organized, something I didn't have before I moved due to stresses and hating where I lived.

But now it's been relatively easy overall...most days.

I think you have to have the right environment for the motivation.


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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 4:52:00 PM   
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Yes, being someplace organized, stable, comfortable allows you to develop a daily routine and imo thats what works for me.. I do best with a routine i follow every day of the week.. I would get up at 6am, have a light breakie, head to the gym, have my shower and get into my day.. every day, including weekends (yup, 6am on Sat & Sunday too!) I really need a routine.. and yes, for me too I am happier and more motivated to keep that routine..

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/2/2012 4:56:41 PM   
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Don't use the expression 'losing weight' *smile*............if you lose somethiong, the first thing you usually do is to go looking for it and get it back. It's a mind-set thing but true.
Try talking about 'shedding weight' or giving it away or whatever you like.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/3/2012 4:26:45 AM   
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I call it "Weight Management". That stresses that you need to do things sustainably since once you've lost the weight, you need to keep your weight under control.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/3/2012 6:21:36 AM   
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I've always been told that for men it's 2000 and for women it's 1200.



Yeah, I've heard that too, for people that don't do much physical activity. If you exercise regularly you'll need to eat more to maintain your weight. I've been told for me it's more like 1800-2000 a day, but I've been trying to keep it to ~1600 so I can lose a little weight (I've gone up to a size this year and I'd like to go back down). But I'm not always a good girl, lol.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/3/2012 11:09:05 AM   
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If you're GOING to 'count calories' ( and I'm not a huge fan ), then the accepted practice is to use a BMR/TDEE calculator to find out your Total Daily Energy Expenditure and then subtract 500 calories/day from it to target a 2lb/week loss rate.

HOWEVER, there are a lot of people for whom the BMR ESTIMATE and TDEE ESTIMATES don't really match their bodies, and end up backing off 500 calories from the incorrect estimates and still not having a net-caloric-deficit. That's a big show-stopper in an otherwise useful tool.... ( Tracking calories-in isn't too bad, but tracking calories-out is at best a wild guess )



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RE: need to loose weight - 7/3/2012 11:51:15 AM   
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Theres a fad around right now called HCG diet. If you have a whole lot to lose, it can be a kickstart to a weight loss plan and lifestyle changes. I did it and only had 20lbs to lose and lost more lean mass than fat (liars!!). I gained some of it back quickly and although at a lower weight, I looked heavier because of loss of lean mass. Also, my whole life I was eating "light" "diet" and "fat free" "sugar free" and was still obese wether I over ate or starved myself. The pounds didn't start to come off until I switched to unadulterd regular food, like our great grandparents lived on and controlled my portions. There are chemicals in sugar free and fat free that screw with metabolism and depress the thyroid and also linked to a myriad of other health problems. The first thing that starts to deteriorate when fat is cut out of the diet is the central nervous system. Theres a documentary called "Fat Head" which goes in depth about how weight loss is not as simple as take in fewer calories than you burn and its dependend on the type of calories and how they affect insulin. The idea is that mother nature isn't stupid, we crave real food because our bodies thrive on it. As other poster's mentioned its important to start slow and make changes that you can maintain. I've lost 70lbs in 2 years making gradual changes. I used to jump head first into exercise and do workouts like insanity and complete diet changes for a week at a time, get complacent with the quick 10lb weight loss and want to go back to my old habits. The gradual changes are the only ones I have managed to stick with, and the same is true for many people.

I think it also really helps to only weigh yourself once a week, if at all. The way your clothes fit will speak volumes but the scale can lie about progress.

I don't know if you are like me and have a lot of mystery aches and pangs, but Hatha Yoga really helped me with that and in turn I wanted move around and exercise more. After my first class, I came out of there feeling like I didn't even have a body; nothing hurt anywhere. It was amazing and I've been hooked since.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/3/2012 2:31:37 PM   
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If you're GOING to 'count calories' ( and I'm not a huge fan ), then the accepted practice is to use a BMR/TDEE calculator to find out your Total Daily Energy Expenditure and then subtract 500 calories/day from it to target a 2lb/week loss rate.


Myfitnesspal does the counting for you - you enter the foods from their quite comprehensive database. You can set your calories with the goal of losing 1/2 to 2 # per week. MFP keeps a running total and lets you know how many calories, carbs, fat, and protein you have left. I shoot for hitting the fat, and always go over protein and under on carbs, which is good, because I see MFP is using the less effective Low Fat ratios.

Which Diet Works?

By MARK BITTMAN

One of the challenges of arguing that hyperprocessed carbohydrates are largely responsible for the obesity pandemic ("epidemic" is no longer a strong enough word, say many experts) is the notion that "a calorie is a calorie."
Accept that, and you buy into the contention that consuming 100 calories' worth of sugar water (like Coke or Gatorade), white bread or French fries is the same as eating 100 calories of broccoli or beans. And Big Food - which has little interest in selling broccoli or beans - would have you believe that if you expend enough energy to work off those 100 calories, it simply doesn't matter.

There's an increasing body of evidence, however, that calories from highly processed carbohydrates like white flour (and of course sugar) provide calories that the body treats differently, spiking both blood sugar and insulin and causing us to retain fat instead of burning it off.

In other words, all calories are not alike.

You might need a little background here: To differentiate "bad" carbs from "good," scientists use the term "glycemic index" (or "load") to express the effect of the carbs on blood sugar. High glycemic diets cause problems by dramatically increasing blood sugar and insulin after meals; low glycemic diets don't. Highly processed carbohydrates (even highly processed whole grains, like instant oatmeal and fluffy whole-grain breads) tend to make for higher glycemic diets; less processed grains, fruits, non-starchy vegetables, legumes and nuts - along with fat and protein - make for a lower glycemic diet.

A new study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association adds powerfully to the notion that low glycemic diets are the way forward. (Or, actually, backward, since the low glycemic diet is largely traditional.) The work took place at the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center of Boston Children's Hospital, and looked at people's ability to maintain weight loss, which is far more difficult than losing weight. (Few people maintain even a small portion of their weight loss after dieting.) To do this, the researchers - led by the center's associate director Cara Ebbeling and director David Ludwig - put three groups of people on diets to lose 10 to 15 percent of their body weight.

They then assigned each of the dieters, in random order, to follow four weeks each of three diets with the same number of calories.

1. One was a standard low-fat diet: 60 percent carbohydrates - with an emphasis on fruits, vegetables and whole grains (but not unprocessed ones) - 20 percent from protein and 20 percent from fat. This is the low-fat diet that has been reigning "wisdom" for the last 30 years or more.

2. Another was an ultra-low-carb diet (for convenience, we'll call this "Atkins"), of 10 percent of calories from carbs, 60 percent from fat and 30 percent from protein.

3. And the third was a low glycemic diet, with 40 percent carbs - minimally processed grains, fruit, vegetables and legumes - 40 percent fat and 20 percent protein.

The results were impressive. Those on the "Atkins" diet burned 350 calories more per day - the equivalent of an hour of moderate exercise - than those on the standard low-fat diet. Those on the low-glycemic diet burned 150 calories more [than those on the standard low-fat diet], roughly equivalent to an hour of light exercise.

Three conclusions you can draw on the face of this: One is that the kind of calories you eat does matter. Two, as Ludwig concludes, is that "the low-fat diet that has been the primary approach for more than a generation is actually the worst for most outcomes, with the worst effects on insulin resistance, triglycerides and HDL, or good cholesterol." And three, we should all be eating an "Atkins" diet.

But not so fast; the "Atkins" diet also had marked problems. It raised levels of CRP (c-reactive protein), which is a measure of chronic inflammation, and cortisol, a hormone that mediates stress. "Both of these," says Ludwig, "are tightly linked to long term-heart risk and mortality."

His conclusion, then? "The 'Atkins' diet gives you the biggest metabolic benefit initially, but there are long-term downsides, and in practice, people have trouble sticking to low-carb diets. Over the long term, the low-glycemic diet appears to work the best, because you don't have to eliminate an entire class of nutrients, which our research suggests is not only hard from a psychological perspective but may be wrong from a biological perspective."

Almost every diet, from the radical no-carb-at-all notions to the tame (and sane) "Healthy Eating Plate" from Harvard, agrees on at least this notion: reduce, or even come close to eliminating, the amount of hyper-processed carbohydrates in your diet, because, quite simply, they're bad for you. And if you look at statistics, at least a quarter of our calories come from added sugars (seven percent from beverages alone), white flour, white rice, white pasta are you seeing a pattern here? (Oh, and white potatoes. And beer.)

So what's Ludwig's overall advice? "It's time to reacquaint ourselves with minimally processed carbs. If you take three servings of refined carbohydrates and substitute one of fruit, one of beans and one of nuts, you could eliminate 50 percent of diet-related disease in the United States. These relatively modest changes can provide great benefit."

The message is pretty simple: unprocessed foods give you a better chance of idealizing your weight - and your health. Because all calories are not created equal.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/3/2012 3:55:16 PM   
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I've always been told that for men it's 2000 and for women it's 1200.



Yeah, I've heard that too, for people that don't do much physical activity. If you exercise regularly you'll need to eat more to maintain your weight. I've been told for me it's more like 1800-2000 a day, but I've been trying to keep it to ~1600 so I can lose a little weight (I've gone up to a size this year and I'd like to go back down). But I'm not always a good girl, lol.


I think for the most part I've always kept my calories around low except for the times when I'm stressed and I try not to think about them. lol

I haven't really been able to do much exercise lately due to some surgery but I'm looking forward to getting back into a routine again now that the pain is almost gone. But I'll probably still keep my calories low and continue to drink lots of water just like I always have. That's just what works for me personally. I think everyone has to find the amount of calories that works for them and that's something you find by paying attention to the foods you eat.


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RE: need to loose weight - 7/12/2012 5:45:14 AM   
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Actually the most sustainable weight management plan is to burn more than you take in, or if you want to keep your weight, not consume more calories than you burn. If you just cut down the intake your metabolism will slow down, a great way to start having the yo-yo effect.

A healthy balanced diet along with physical exercise and goals you can reach work much better than crash diets where they promise you to lose 5 dress sizes within 2 weeks or something just as ridiculous.

Also just weight is pretty useless, if you lose muscle mass you'll burn a lot less, the more muscle mass you have, the higher is the amount of calories you burn just to maintain your weight.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/12/2012 10:34:03 AM   
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I've lost a load recently. Giving up most of the booze was a big thing. Cutting way back on the starchy carbs was another (I LOVE bread, pasta, rice etc). Smaller portion sizes via smaller plates. Taking a sack lunch to work rather than buying so called healthy options that arnt. Moving more. Which reminds me must go for a walk in a bit. The hackers diet helped. Sharing the URl with friends and familly helped more.

But mostly sympathy. My Wench desperately needed to loose weight (she put on a load while a familly member was ill and she was doing a lot of care/travel, her back problems got worse and she stopped moving so much and then she fell and broke a toe). It wasnt some fashion thing but becuase it was impacting her life badly. A friend of hers in a simmlar prediciment tried surgery, got a gastric band fitted. It hasnt worked and the friend put weight on. So on medical advice and with regular check in's with her Doctor shes gone on a Very low Calorie diet Like 550 a day. This is not quite as crazy as it sounds as its supervised, nutritionaly balanced and not a long term solution. She's lost over 40 pounds in 8 weeks or so. And immediately she can move more, is enthused, back into exercise, happier and so on. She has another 5 weeks or so to go and can expect to loose another 20 pounds or so. After which she goes onto a higher calorie process of slowy putting things back in and adjusting to lower amounts of food, counciling, more supervision and generally redefining her relationship with food.

So I've lost quite a bit as its hard to chow down when the love of your life is on such a harsh regime. I mention it because anyone out there who is seriously overweight and considering surgery should consider the alternatives.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/12/2012 1:20:28 PM   
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I've been on the diet that Thaz's Wench is on, or at least one very similar to it called "Lighter Life". It worked really well, lost nearly 7st (98lb) in the first 3 months, after that regular food reintroduced over a couple more months, so weightloss slows. All in all I lost about 8st and was slim for the first time in years.
Unless you're really buff when you start you don't need to worry too much about muscle mass loss, I found that after losing a couple of stone I was actively excercising more and more simply for the joy of it and that more than made up for any early muscle loss. So yeah, for anyone desperate to lose weight I fully recomend a (controlled) Very Low Calorie Diet.


Full Disclosure: Kept it off for about a year-year and a half, my own fault, the road to hell is lined with nice tasting sandwiches. Still slimer now then I was before though.

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RE: need to loose weight - 7/12/2012 2:14:23 PM   
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It is indeed the same diet. :-)

And I have previous gone on record as sayiing VLCD must be mad....but this one seems okay. Enough so that several NHS Doctors recomend it for those that need to loose a lot for health reasons.

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RE: need to loose weight - 8/27/2012 5:44:00 AM   
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The Dukan Diet has fast results, tits essentially a high protein, low carb, low sugar, low fat diet. Very filling, but you need to drink a lot of water and keep exercise to a minimum in the first week.

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