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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 11:46:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
Do I need to turn in my super secret domly dom decoder ring?

probably since I didn't see "blowjob training" anywhere on your list. At a bare minimum that's gonna cost you a few "true points".

I think that's the real "training rub" MercTech. People talk about "training their sub" without discussing what, exactly, gaps are being addressed. What the heck is "generic training" anyway? What.. just getting "trained"? That's why UnownedCOBeauty was confused. Because it's nonsensical. Your list, however, makes perfect sense and never would've spawned this thread. Just once I'd like to see a syllabus for all this "slave training" that's going on.

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 12:36:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

Just once I'd like to see a syllabus for all this "slave training" that's going on.

Your wish is my command.

Unit One: Oral Sex

1.1: On your knees bitch
1.2: The tongue: not just for tasting
1.3: Enthusiastic Noises
1.4: Advanced breathing techniques
1.5: What to do with ejaculate

Assessed by: Ongoing observation, Practical examination

Unit Two: How to Dress

2.1: Underwear, and why not to wear it
2.2: Leather, latex and love
2.3: How to slut it up in public
2.4: Things you can attach to nipples
2.5: Mowing the lawn in high heels

Assessed by: photographic portfolio, ongoing observation

Unit Three: All About Ass

3.1: Bend over baby
3.2: Yes it will fit
3.3: Plugs for beginners
3.4: Rimming and related activities
3.5: Appropriate booty shaking

Assessed by: practical examination

Unit Four: Punishment

4.1: Oh you're such a slut bend over this instant
4.2: Writing lines and kneeling on rice
4.3: Receiving beatings - by hand and with implements
4.4: Showing how hardcore you are by taking more than the sub playing in the next room
4.5: Suitably humiliating yourself over webcam

Assessed by: Practical examination, submission of written work

Unit Five: Being a True Submissive

5.1: Slashy typing and third person speech
5.2: Intermediate kneeling
5.3: The bum-tit-tit dance and assuming positions whenever entering the room
5.4: Leashes in public
5.5: How to forget everything you know about relationships as soon as someone declares themselves dominant

Assessed by: Written work, ongoing observation, evidence of posts on the internet telling people how real subs do it.

ALSO, sign up now and I'll throw in my free one-day workshop entitled 'Cock Shots - don't all women love them?'

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 12:43:24 PM

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Well done, Athena!

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 12:44:31 PM

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Oh dear lord. That vote we took was a wise one. You're definitely a keeper. Just look at how you've benefited the community already!

Hey wait! I have a great idea. Nobody's thought of this before. You should setup an internet based slave training school.....

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 12:50:10 PM

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Great idea Jeff! How about some of those panty shots that I can use for my publicity materials?

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 12:53:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
Great idea Jeff! How about some of those panty shots that I can use for my publicity materials?

Oh no. You've got it all wrong. That goes in the companion training package I need to setup.

How not to be a true dom.

I think I'm pretty good at it actually, dont you?

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 1:01:58 PM

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Brilliant. I'm actually speechless... from laughing so hard. :D

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 1:02:23 PM

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I think you're the best non-true dom I know of Jeff... but I'm not sure there's a market for people wanting NOT to be a true dom.

I was going to say you should write the opposite of what you think and make a true-dom training package... but surely a TRUE dom doesn't need training, right?

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 1:04:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: UnownedCOBeauty

Brilliant. I'm actually speechless... from laughing so hard. :D

I'll train you for free because you're nice. Wouldn't want to send you out into the world untrained.

Oh darn, I forgot to add training about all the places you need to shave.

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 1:08:48 PM

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I figured this was just Training 101... I know you have more advanced classes tucked away somewhere, right? I vote the shaving portion of the course deserves a field trip and hands-on experience. :)

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/12/2012 1:26:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
I think you're the best non-true dom I know of Jeff... but I'm not sure there's a market for people wanting NOT to be a true dom.

Awww, thanks! I'm quite proud to be a crappy dom. And I suspect you're right. There probbaly isn't a huge market for people wanting to be trained to be fake doms. That's too bad really because I happen to know for a fact that there's a pretty big market of sub/slaves who'd like a fake dom. They send me nice messages regularly.

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 2:32:54 AM

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Sunny quote of the Day
goes to
AthenaSurrenders
for the following training syllabus:

Unit One: Oral Sex

1.1: On your knees bitch
1.2: The tongue: not just for tasting
1.3: Enthusiastic Noises
1.4: Advanced breathing techniques
1.5: What to do with ejaculate

Assessed by: Ongoing observation, Practical examination

Unit Two: How to Dress

2.1: Underwear, and why not to wear it
2.2: Leather, latex and love
2.3: How to slut it up in public
2.4: Things you can attach to nipples
2.5: Mowing the lawn in high heels

Assessed by: photographic portfolio, ongoing observation

Unit Three: All About Ass

3.1: Bend over baby
3.2: Yes it will fit
3.3: Plugs for beginners
3.4: Rimming and related activities
3.5: Appropriate booty shaking

Assessed by: practical examination

Unit Four: Punishment

4.1: Oh you're such a slut bend over this instant
4.2: Writing lines and kneeling on rice
4.3: Receiving beatings - by hand and with implements
4.4: Showing how hardcore you are by taking more than the sub playing in the next room
4.5: Suitably humiliating yourself over webcam

Assessed by: Practical examination, submission of written work

Unit Five: Being a True Submissive

5.1: Slashy typing and third person speech
5.2: Intermediate kneeling
5.3: The bum-tit-tit dance and assuming positions whenever entering the room
5.4: Leashes in public
5.5: How to forget everything you know about relationships as soon as someone declares themselves dominant

Assessed by: Written work, ongoing observation, evidence of posts on the internet telling people how real subs do it.

ALSO, sign up now and I'll throw in my free one-day workshop entitled 'Cock Shots - don't all women love them?'

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4198787/mpage_5/tm.htm

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 6:00:42 AM

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How it Works : He said, "Hey, we aren't required to live by anybody's "training" or "protocol" rules except our own... we are entirely free to make it what it is for us as it goes along....I'll let ya know, ok?" i.e. the grocery-store thingy, "I want you here, with me, at all times, unless I tell you otherwise." There are just things he expected, and he made them clear and firm. Clear and firm meant, "This is what you are to do", and that is what I did, because he was the master and I am such a good little slave who is in possession of a memory and can be relied upon to follow up on my required tasks without tiresome reminders...unless I'm lookin' for trouble lol. If it is his teaching and subsequent expectation that I kneel at his feet the minute we are alone is called "training", well, then, call it that, I guess, if that makes you happy. Teaching and subsequent expectation develops as time and experience together accumulates, and at times those teachings and expectations push me to into unknown territory. But the complete trust-that is earned over that time and experience- creates in the natural course of things a seamless training in total obedience and discipline, "which we are not required to abide by anybody else's idea of rules and protocol". Ritual accompanied by spot-checks of spontaneity and flexibility in entrusting one's life and and safety produces an invisible choke chain of domination and control that binds this slave in melting submission and sets this Master on fire.

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 6:15:14 AM

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I love your avi, IAT :)

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 7:51:10 AM

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Oh fuck me Athena, that list is priceless.
It's like the BDSM syllabus

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 9:31:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kana
Oh fuck me Athena, that list is priceless. It's like the BDSM syllabus

I know, right? That thing seriously needs to be on a sticky. I'd just LOVE to refer all training threads to that sticky.

"Oh yes. It's critical that new slaves be trained no matter their skills or abilities. Go take a look at a standard BDSM slave training syllabus <insert link> and you'll immediately understand the urgency of this."

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 10:18:07 AM

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Woohoo! I got a quote of the day! Now I really feel like I'm in the big-kids' gang!

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 10:25:39 AM

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Jeff this is the best slave training guide I've ever seen. It was actually my very first introduction to BDSM ever in the form of the very first BDSM site I ever found back in the 90s.

I still reference it in my marriage today.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040201223811/http://bdsmu.com/page_misc_default.html

Athena I LOVE you post. Vote from me for sticky.

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/13/2012 12:06:02 PM

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*nods* I didn't, obviously, read the whole thing but what parts I scanned actually seemed sensible. Although it's probably wise of me to say what "sensible" looks like to me. My own opinion is that leadership is leadership. So if I want to know about "leadership" then I'd rather just go to the real experts and I can find their works readily in the business aisle of the book store. I'd rather find out what people who really know how to effectively motivate and bind people think about the topic.

So that being said, what I read there looks pretty solid from a normal leadership standpoint... things like "integrating their goals with yours" are the tip-offs.

I don't think that the concept of "slave training" is meaningless... I never have. I definitely did SOMETHING to Carol... as submissive as her default personality is... to get her from that to "What Jeff thinks is right, IS right." I just don't think of it as "training her". I thought of it as "leading her". Frankly, I saw it much the same as I would if I'd been given a new team at work. OK, let's get a mission & vision statement. Let's make sure we all buy into that. Then let's start breaking it all down into a project plan and start working the details. I personally am not particularly surprised that the advice of folks like Colin Powell turns out to be pretty good when it comes to leading people.

What I DO think is that the word "training", much like all the other words, "honor", "respect", "trust".. heck... pretty much 99% of the english language... have been redefined to fit the needs of BDSM. I think "BDSM training" is useless except for getting everybody all wet & hard. I think real training targeted at some BDSM goal is perfectly reasonable.

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RE: 'Training' makes me crazy - 8/16/2012 6:28:40 PM

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Nah, it's LEARNING that needs to be happening.

Everyone needs to be doing it. How can you know how to operate an entire person without learning. You cannot read the freakin' manual. How can you learn how to make every single recess of your being available to someone else?

Ok, there are manuals. You could read them to each other. One of you naked, and the other with a ruler in their hand.

But pay attention, there will be a test. And if you fail, some very precious person will have to go find someone who wants a person badly enough to learn to make it happen.

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