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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 5:31:22 PM   
Rule


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What would you want done? If they weren't able to put up a good guard, I'll go back to a post I made when the original Martin thread came out.
Unless he had some decent training, Zim would die in a lot less than 40 seconds.

If you had been in Zimmermans position, lying on your back with a broken nose and Martin on top of you, would you have been able to pull that gun? (Never mind that you could have fought Martin off with your bare hands.)

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 6:07:39 PM   
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Bama, I just took a look at ol DYB here, and we are same weight, he has got me in reach and height, by a couple inches, I am 2.15 times his age, same range of sedentiary lifestyle for me,  his health looks excellent and physical condition, and I can tell you, sitting on top of him pummeling him, he would be projectile blowing blood all over the place (think tomato juice, tomato juice) and his head would so flat it would only have one side.

He wouldn't crawfish and reach for no gun, and it wouldn't be no 40 seconds as some have claimed cuz I could do that in far less time,  in fact, if it took over 15 seconds, I would have to roll off him at 16 seconds and beg him to kill me, cuz I would be out of air.

Nope, I aint buying the battering bullshit.  

But for an actual recreation the younger lighter person would have to be on top, I understand what you are saying, if I was on top of a 170lb teenager he would be dead in any of a dozen ways with no marks on me. But Martin wasn't us and lacked the experiance to do the kind of presice damage we could do.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 6:13:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
What would you want done? If they weren't able to put up a good guard, I'll go back to a post I made when the original Martin thread came out.
Unless he had some decent training, Zim would die in a lot less than 40 seconds.

If you had been in Zimmermans position, lying on your back with a broken nose and Martin on top of you, would you have been able to pull that gun? (Never mind that you could have fought Martin off with your bare hands.)


The last person I hurt badly was about 8" taller and 80# heavier. What do you think?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 5:04:26 AM   
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Thought President Obama answered this situation perfectly last night. Saying he is not for giving people the power to judge someone if they "look".....illegal or out of place. Zimmerman had no business being where he was. Should have kept his fat ass on the couch rather than play supercop. Reap what you sow....

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 5:26:37 AM   
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Well, he SHOULD HAVE known that Trayvon Martin was legitimately there IF he was going to be performing any duties related to his role with the Neighborhood Watch program overseen by the Sanford Florida PD.

And it would be understandable if, in his negligence of that duty, he reported Trayvon Martin to the Sanford PD for possible follow-up.

But that's pretty much where any REASONABLE person would have concluded their involvement. George Zimmerman's poor judgement and choice to provoke the situation by acting beyond his role as a citizen and member of a neighborhood watch continued, resulting in his killing of Trayvon Martin.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 5:35:49 AM   
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I am with you. What I have never seen in this investigation is if Zimmerman had crossed paths with Trayvon before. Whether this was indeed premeditated murder. Seems to be a lot of coincidences with Zimmerman. I don't believe in coincidences.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 5:43:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Well, he SHOULD HAVE known that Trayvon Martin was legitimately there IF he was going to be performing any duties related to his role with the Neighborhood Watch program overseen by the Sanford Florida PD.


Except as already demonstrated, there's absolutely no reason to assume this to be true. There's nothing in the handbook that said it was his responsibility to knock on someone's door two blocks away from his house to see if they were harboring guests that week.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 5:47:39 AM   
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My guess is that he knew Trayvon and knew when he was going to be heading home. Straight up murder.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 6:21:22 AM   
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Seems to be a lot of coincidences with Zimmerman. I don't believe in coincidences.

So you are not spiritually aware?

I am. And I do think that the Divine, upon someone's - Martin's? - desire facilitated the opportunity to have Martin killed and that Zimmerman was its instrument. (Of course the possibilities are endless so speculating about who desired what is rather fruitless.)

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 6:23:58 AM   
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My guess is that he knew Trayvon and knew when he was going to be heading home. Straight up murder.

Ah, you are one of the people who dwells with Vincent's elves. Have you participated in my elves poll in the polls forum?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 6:43:37 AM   
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There is a trend returning and that is commenting about users and not the subject. If this continues then the huge rash of pulled posts that happened last year will return and administrative actions will be taken. I trust the members are able to act in a manner so that this will not have to happen.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 6:48:31 AM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:05:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Well, he SHOULD HAVE known that Trayvon Martin was legitimately there IF he was going to be performing any duties related to his role with the Neighborhood Watch program overseen by the Sanford Florida PD.


Except as already demonstrated, there's absolutely no reason to assume this to be true. There's nothing in the handbook that said it was his responsibility to knock on someone's door two blocks away from his house to see if they were harboring guests that week.


Except as already demonstrated, there's absolutely no reason to assume this not to be true.  

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:11:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Well, he SHOULD HAVE known that Trayvon Martin was legitimately there IF he was going to be performing any duties related to his role with the Neighborhood Watch program overseen by the Sanford Florida PD.


Except as already demonstrated, there's absolutely no reason to assume this to be true. There's nothing in the handbook that said it was his responsibility to knock on someone's door two blocks away from his house to see if they were harboring guests that week.


Fine. He didn't do his homework, creating the proper maps and KNOWING HIS NEIGHBORS. ( the foundation of Neighborhood Watch programs -- and just good Civics )

That still doesn't explain his UNREASONABLE choice to follow Trayvon Martin.

Why go beyond WATCHING AND REPORTING? ( The mantra of Neighborhood Watch ).

No reasonable person, after telling the dispatcher that he was concerned about Trayvon Martin overhearing his address, and KNOWING that the police response was minutes if not seconds away, would then exit his safe vehicle to follow him.

Which supports our hypothesis that George Zimmerman's belief that he had to kill Trayvon Martin was not reasonable. Reasonable ended when Zimmerman went past WATCHING AND REPORTING.

Since Zimmerman is known to not tell the truth, and his judgement is so clouded that he's doing all these unreasonable things, I speculate that he unlawfully tried to detain Trayvon Martin, prompting Martin's defense of his life.

Which explains Trayvon Martin's motivation towards a violent act. Which Zimmerman's story doesn't, of course.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:19:13 AM   
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Well, he SHOULD HAVE known that Trayvon Martin was legitimately there IF he was going to be performing any duties related to his role with the Neighborhood Watch program overseen by the Sanford Florida PD.


Except as already demonstrated, there's absolutely no reason to assume this to be true. There's nothing in the handbook that said it was his responsibility to knock on someone's door two blocks away from his house to see if they were harboring guests that week.


Except as already demonstrated, there's absolutely no reason to assume this not to be true.  


No, this has not been demonstrated.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:20:03 AM   
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Certainly has.   Your claim has not been credibly demonstrated.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:31:54 AM   
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Certainly has.   Your claim has not been credibly demonstrated.


Yes, it has, by pointing out that what Fargle claimed was not in the book he claimed it was in. Feel free to point out in the Sanford NW handbook where it's the responsibility to know every house guest staying at a home two blocks away if you disagree.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:35:20 AM   
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Sanford PD N/W handbook:

Benefits of N/W Program

4. Knowing your neighbor is an important feature and benefit of this program. You get to know participant’s regular patterns so you can see when something is unusual. You get to know how to contact them quickly.

Get Involved....

By participating in a program where "We Look Out For Each Other!", you
can make a real difference in attacking crime in your community through your Neighborhood Watch involvement.



You will learn about your neighbors, their families, their hours of work and be
able to protect them while at the same time they will be protecting you. This mutual benefit goes beyond security of the neighborhood to improving the quality of your life with better friendships and acquaintances. Get-togethers, such as potluck dinners and block parties are encouraged in the program.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or
apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

1. Neighbors join together to provide information about their households to one another.

2. Participants receive training in observation techniques and recognition skills in order to recognize suspicious activities.

3. Upon seeing a suspicious activity or a crime, Participants immediately report their observation to the police department.

4. Law enforcement responds and apprehends the suspect criminal. If the suspect is not caught in the act of committing the crime, your recognition of the suspect and your notes will be very vital.

5. As a Participant your cooperation with the police department is rewarded by you
police having saved your neighbor's property or even their life.

Neighborhood Watch begins with you knowing your own neighbors. Our motto, "We Look Out For Each Other!", means exactly what it says. As a participant, your ability to observe and recognize what is usual and customary comes as a result of paying attention and focusing your mind on the daily, ordinary, happenings in your neighborhood.


Being a Neighborhood Watch participant does not mean you are being a "busybody," or you are invading anyone's privacy, or that you are snooping. It does mean that you are aware for potential trouble and you are living up to our motto, 'We Look Out For Each Other!' And as a vigilant neighbor, you are prepared to call your law enforcement agency when you suspect potential trouble with no hesitation.

YOU SHOULD KNOW:

 What are all the addresses, styles and colors of houses in my Neighborhood Watch group.

 Who lives in each dwelling?

 What are their ages?

 What hours does each person work?

 What cars do they drive?

 When do the routine maintenance people or household helpers come by?

 Who is elderly and/or infirm?

 Which dwellings have kids who are home alone at times?

 When are they going on vacation?

 Who may be into drugs or gangs?

 Who are having juvenile delinquency or other family problems?

 Who just moved into the neighborhood?

Your neighborhood Family Data Sheet Summary and the Telephone Tree, shown on the
following page, are important sources of information.

As a Neighborhood Watch participant, you have a responsibility to:

1. Learn your neighbor's names, including all occupants of their residences. Be able to
recognize them and their vehicles without any hesitation.


3. Keep your personal copies of the Neighborhood Watch Family Data Summary
Sheets, Block map, and Telephone Tree in an easily accessible, secure place and continually updated with any new information provided by your Block Captain


10. Remember always that your responsibility is to report crime. Do
not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest.
The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department.

12. Get Involved! Look Out For Each Other! Be a good neighbor.

Below is an example of a completed map. For each home, the color, street number, family name, home and work phone numbers are listed plus the street names and compass directions are indicated. Homes that are "vacant" and "not participating" should be shown.


< Message edited by farglebargle -- 10/17/2012 7:45:07 AM >


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:36:53 AM   
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I could give a fuck less about an incorrect citation.  Zimmerman had no business to assume shit about Martin, to stalk him, to pursue him, to murder him.  Arizona iced tea is not a probable cause, or perhaps you can show me that it is in the Sanford fucking handbook. You have not credibly demonstrated the issue to be false, only a citation which was not a topic that I was addressing.

If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, don't.  

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:41:39 AM   
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I could give a fuck less about an incorrect citation.  Zimmerman had no business to assume shit about Martin, to stalk him, to pursue him, to murder him.  Arizona iced tea is not a probable cause, or perhaps you can show me that it is in the Sanford fucking handbook. You have not credibly demonstrated the issue to be false, only a citation which was not a topic that I was addressing.

If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, don't.  



So you're moving the goalposts then, since the topic I was responding to was solely in regards to the incorrect citation.

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