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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:10:36 PM   
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You would ...My daughters are fine upstanding citizens who love their father very much...And if you were to call me a lair in a public setting you could get an ear full even if true. Family love is not always logical and should be understood for what it is. Nothing sinister or evil or low life... just a son defending his father with blind love....get over it.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:11:12 PM   
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Considering Kennedy was 43 when he ran for President, this "kid" gets no pass from me.


Right on... but since we're not the right windbag media trying to create a psychological moment in the context of the election.
  You're right though. It is piss poor behavior for a "man".

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:12:55 PM   
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Coming behind his comments about sending Pres. Obama back to Kenya?

And, you aren't the son of the Nominee for President...fuck me

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:15:07 PM   
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You would ...My daughters are fine upstanding citizens who love their father very much...And if you were to call me a lair in a public setting you could get an ear full even if true. Family love is not always logical and should be understood for what it is. Nothing sinister or evil or low life... just a son defending his father with blind love....get over it.

Butch


I am the same way about my father. And if he were running for office I would have enough respect for him not to make some hair brained comment knowing it would reflect badly upon him. But then again, maybe thats my military upbringing.

To say that the actions of family should not reflect upon the candidate, or even the President, is going against the GOP hand book.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:19:10 PM   
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I would have enough respect for him not to make some hair brained comment knowing it would reflect badly upon him.


I believe you would not say anything that reflects badly on your father...at least in your way of thinking...And in his he didn't either and I'll bet millions of people will agree. AND those same millions would not make a big deal out of it in any case.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:20:38 PM   
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Those millions have done so... when it was a Democratic family member.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:22:18 PM   
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so...does that make it right?...as my mother said to me when i was 5

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:24:22 PM   
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Double standards are never right.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:27:04 PM   
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good then we agree

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:28:18 PM   
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Hardly.

As I said, he said a stupid, idiotic comment. His father will have to deal with the fall out. This isnt a "kid". He is a grown man. Freedom of speech comes with responsibilities. His father should have taught him that.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:30:38 PM   
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Double standards work both ways... you can't defend one example and condemn the other unless you are a hypocrite. If it is wrong for one example it should be wrong for the other.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:31:57 PM   
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I didnt defend the other.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:33:16 PM   
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Certainly what the dumbass said isn't a crime. It is in bad taste and it does reflect poorly not only on him, but the family that raised him.

Were it my son, and I was in that same position, I would issue a formal apology. Because that is how I was raised.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:34:09 PM   
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But you thought it wrong and used it as an argument against my post...why mention it otherwise.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:40:50 PM   
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I pointed out the hypocrisy of the GOP position. For years they have held family members' actions against the President or Candidate. I have spoken out against this - from either side - when they were actually kids.... not adults.

The double standard comment was towards the GOP. Taking Carter to task for his brother.... I never said a word. You are assuming things I never said. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander... and the gander might as well take this one in stride.

I agree with LaT. Romney would do best to apologize to Obama for the stupidity of his offspring.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:42:48 PM   
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Hardly something to get worked up over. It isn't like he threatened to assassinate him (as has been done on Twitter if Romney wins) or start riots.


I'm sure we all have gotten angry and wanted to kick someone's ass before. He is smart enough to not act on those feelings. He is no threat to anyone.



Ahh the old "they`ve done it to" dodge/shirk.Seems anything can be excused with that selfserving bullshit  .

Oh don`t even go there, hun....

"Cafe owner threatened for not hosting Romney"


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57527563/cafe-owner-threatened-for-not-hosting-romney/


From Wiki:

2008
North Carolina Waffle House threats
Jerry Blanchard, an accountant from Charlotte, North Carolina, was indicted for threatening to kill Obama during a July 15, 2008 breakfast at a Charlotte Waffle House.[5][9] Two customers said Blanchard told them, "Obama and his wife are never going to make it to the White House. He needs to be taken out and I can do it in a heartbeat."[5] The customers contacted the Secret Service, who questioned Blanchard. He denied making the threats, but allegedly told the Secret Service agents he believed Obama was the "Antichrist" prophesied in the Bible.[5][9] The Secret Service later got a second call from an employee of the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Charlotte,[10] where Blanchard was overheard in the lobby restroom saying into his cell phone, "I'll get a sniper rifle and take care of it myself. Somebody's got to do it ... We both know Obama is the anti-Christ."[5] Blanchard had claimed he would buy a sniper rifle and pistol from the Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte. The gun shop owner said Blanchard has visited the store but did not buy any weapons.[5] Blanchard was placed into custody on felony charges of making threats against a major candidate for president, and a psychiatric evaluation was ordered. It has been questioned how much evidence existed that he planned to actually go through with an assassination attempt.[5][9]
Miami bail-bondsman training threats
Raymond H. Geisel was charged with making threatening statements against Obama during a bail-bonds training class on July 31, 2008, in Miami, Florida.[9] During the course, Geisel referred to Obama with a racial epithet and said, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself."[2] Geisel also threatened to put a bullet in the head of then-President Bush, although Geisel later claimed he was joking. In his hotel room, authorities found ammunition, body armor, a combat-style hatchet, tear gas, a loaded 9 mm handgun and four loaded magazines. Geisel said he collected firearms, and was only using the gun for his bail-bonds course. Geisel remained in custody for a month.[2][9]
Assassination scare in Denver
Main article: Barack Obama assassination scare in DenverThree men allegedly discussed shooting Barack Obama, then the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nominee, during his acceptance speech on the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado. Cousins Tharin Gartrell and Shawn Adolf, and their friend Nathan Johnson, allegedly came to Denver specifically to kill Obama, and discussed in their hotel room how they could assassinate him.[1][11][12][13] On August 24, 2008, Gartrell was arrested when police found his truck filled with weapons and narcotics.[14][15][16] Johnson and Adolf were arrested shortly thereafter and, during a televised interview, Johnson later indicated Adolf was the one who planned the alleged threat.[12][17] Authorities later downplayed the threats and indicated the trio had little chance of successfully killing Obama.[4][12]
Assassination scare in Tennessee
Main article: Barack Obama assassination scare in Tennessee




Wikinews has related news: Two men arrested in Tennessee for plot to kill Obama and school children
Paul Schlesselman and Daniel Cowart, two men with strong white supremacist beliefs, allegedly planned a murder spree of 88 African Americans in Tennessee, many of whom were to be young students at an unidentified, predominantly black school. They allegedly planned to end the spree by driving their vehicle toward Barack Obama as fast as they could and shooting at him from the windows.[18][19] The two men were arrested on October 22, 2008, after they bragged to their friends about firing shots at a church in Brownsville, Tennessee.[18][20] Schlesselman and Cowart were in possession of several guns during their arrest, and they allegedly told police they intended to rob a firearms dealer and other stores to secure more weapons for the attack.[21]
Scranton "Kill him" threat
In October 2008, it was widely reported that someone yelled "Kill him" at a Scranton, Pennsylvania Sarah Palin rally when Obama's name was mentioned. The Secret Service denied this claim, but a Scranton Times-Tribune editor said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”[22] However, MSNBC clips of McCain rallies, while unclear, appear to show two similar incidents.[23]
2009
Hawaii threats against Michelle Obama
Kristy Lee Roshia, 35, called the Boston office of the Secret Service on November 10, 2009, and told them she planned to "blow away" First Lady Michelle Obama while the family visited Honolulu, Hawaii for a Christmas vacation. She also indicated she planned to shoot members of the United States Marines Corps.[6][7][8] Roshia told authorities she knew "the exact location" the Obama family would be staying. Information that Roshia provided to the Boston office was consistent with the itinerary of the Obama family at the Secret Service office in Hawaii, and authorities believe Roshia had observed Secret Service agents in the area of the Kailua Beach home where the Obamas had previously stayed.[7] Roshia had a history of calling the Boston office and making threats, and told the agency in 2004 that she intended to assassinate then-President George W. Bush, although she contradictorily added that she had no desire to hurt him. Following her threatening call, Roshia was arrested two miles from the Honolulu house the Obama family had booked for their vacation. She allegedly struck an officer in the face and arms while he tried to detain her. Roshia was charged with threatening a family member of the president and assaulting a federal agent while being arrested.[6] A federal judge has ordered Roshia to undergo a mental competency examination.[7]
2010
Incident in North Carolina
On April 25, 2010, Joseph McVey, 23, was arrested in Asheville, North Carolina. Police say he impersonated a police officer at the city's airport as the President left the airport on Air Force One. McVey is being held on a charge of going armed to the terror of the public as well as being charged for false impersonation of a police officer, according to the Buncombe County jail's booking office. McVey's bail was set at $100,000. Airport police Capt. Kevan Smith said the suspect was driving a car that was made to look like a law enforcement vehicle with working lights and sirens. He would provide no further details about the suspect, but emphasized that the president was never in any danger.[24]
As a result of a trial in North Carolina following the arrest, the original charge of Going Armed to the Terror of the Public was dismissed due to a lack of supporting facts. During the trial, police who arrested McVey revealed that nothing McVey had in his vehicle, a Pontiac Grand Prix (a vehicle no law enforcement agency regularly uses), was there without valid reason for his public service volunteering in Ohio. Further, McVey was found guilty of a violation of city ordinance (the same charge applied to those caught skateboarding on a city sidewalk).[citation needed]
2011
Khalid Kelly
In May 2011 Irish Muslim militant Khalid Kelly was arrested for threatening to assassinate Barack Obama. In an interview with the Sunday Mirror he said that al-Qaeda was likely to kill Obama on his upcoming trip to Ireland. He reportedly said he would like to do it himself, but was too well known. He stated, "Personally I would feel happy if Obama was killed. How could I not feel happy when a big enemy of Islam is gone?"[25]
Shots fired at White House
Around 9pm on Friday November 11, 2011, Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez fired a Romanian Cugir semiautomatic rifle from his car parked on Constitution Avenue. Nine rounds were fired, one of which was found lodged in a window of the first family's living quarters. He was arrested five days later in a hotel in Pennsylvania. Obama was not at the White House at the time of the shooting, but Federal prosecutors launched an investigation to determine if Hernandez acted out of hatred for Obama.[26] Subsequently, writings by Hernandez and testimony from those who knew him showed that he believed President Obama was the antichrist and the "devil".[27]
2012
In 2012 a case was brought against four soldiers in Georgia claiming that they formed an anarchist militia within the U.S. military with plans to overthrow the federal government. Pfc. Michael Burnett pleaded guilty to manslaughter and gang charges in the December slayings of former soldier Michael Roark and his girlfriend Tiffany York who were killed because they knew of the militia group’s plans. The group purchased $87,000 worth of guns and bomb-making materials and plotted to take over Fort Stewart, bomb targets in Savannah and Washington state, and assassinate the president.[28]

Check it out......all but one are American......

"Shot fired into Obama campaign office in Denver"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/13/us-usa-campaign-denver-gunshot-idUSBRE89C02F20121013


Even republicans who hug the guy aren`t safe....


"Trolls trash Obama-hugging pizza guy, threaten pointless boycott"

http://now.msn.com/scott-van-duzer-is-trashed-by-internet-trolls-after-obama-hug

The poor guy was a life-long republican......


Even soup-kitchens aren`t safe from con-rath.....

"Soup Kitchen In Paul Ryan Photo-Op Faces Donor Backlash"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/soup-kitchen-paul-ryan-photo-donor_n_1980541.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular




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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:42:52 PM   
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I do agree it was in bad taste...now...tell me... and mean it... that you have never said anything in bad taste that could be construed to reflect badly on your upbringing. If you say you have not I don't think i can believe you. I sure have and I'll bet most will admit they have.

And the few times I have should reflect badly on no one but myself.

Butch

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:46:29 PM   
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But that was not what we were talking about... I said millions would not make a big deal out of it...not if it were right... wrong... or otherwise. Then you came with the democratic comment. Now you are trying to change the context of our discussion.

Butch

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:50:49 PM   
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This honestly strikes me as a tempest in a teapot.

Am I the only one who's ever said, "I could have killed her"?


But you seem to be the only one whos father has not run for President of the United States.   So, yes, in that respect, you are the only one, you are so, so, so alone.

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RE: Punching the President of the United states in the ... - 10/19/2012 2:52:24 PM   
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I do agree it was in bad taste...now...tell me... and mean it... that you have never said anything in bad taste that could be construed to reflect badly on your upbringing. If you say you have not I don't think i can believe you. I sure have and I'll bet most will admit they have.

And the few times I have should reflect badly on no one but myself.

Butch



Oh hell yes! But there is a difference between when I've said anything and when this dumbass did. I guaranfuckintee if my father was running for public office, especially at that level, I would know when to keep my pie hole shut. If there was a possibility that I wouldn't be able to act like a mature adult and know the w's of voicing my opinion, I would be pretending to be mute.

It would be one thing if he'd been overheard having a private conversation with a family member saying something like "god, I cannot believe that Obama! I really felt like I could have just punched him for calling dad a liar like that!" But that isn't the case.

Even then, in my family, there would have been immediate apologies made.

It's no different than how I and my kids, behaved around Generic Dude's military superiours, etc. Or how I conduct myself in any sort of business setting versus a private one. Or how I would expect my kids, or grands, to behave.

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