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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/12/2012 2:03:03 PM)
Oh, and for your edification, google 'Wanstallarian Wicca'. It is an 'approved' Wiccan religion formed by my brother who decided to venture a little further away from my own Paganism. He happens to be high priest. lol. So, yes, if I chose to, like my brother, I could! :) And to save you the trouble, he has declared that it is loosely based on the Gardinarian philosophy - which I don't wholly subscribe to. And interestingly, it is Wiccan, not Pagan. Edited for typos.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/12/2012 3:00:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Oh, and for your edification, google 'Wanstallarian Wicca'. It is an 'approved' Wiccan religion formed by my brother who decided to venture a little further away from my own Paganism. He happens to be high priest. lol. So, yes, if I chose to, like my brother, I could! :) And to save you the trouble, he has declared that it is loosely based on the Gardinarian philosophy - which I don't wholly subscribe to. And interestingly, it is Wiccan, not Pagan. I found Wicca to be most pleasant and inviting, but does suffer from one problem: It does not have the strength to make a stand against Satan. This was the problem I ran into.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/12/2012 3:41:32 PM)
The Old Testament discusses this at length. The Jews are a good people, but they are also weak and it has gotten them into trouble with both God and the Nazis. As soon as Moses turned His back.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/12/2012 6:41:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead No it doesn't. It does its best to shield kiddyfiddling priests from the harsh realities of the world. Was this a statement of moral outrage or a political statement? Wasn't there an alleged film on this subject concerning Islam?

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/12/2012 7:00:20 PM)
Suppose the Benghazi investigation clears Obama. The problem is it can't clear him. He did not respond to the situation correctly. He did not worry like a doting mother.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/12/2012 7:32:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Why should we preserve Iran? Apart from the WMD wild card, Iran hates liberals as much or more than conservatives. What country in the Middle East has been as kind as Iran to conservative administrations? It is one of those ironies of life and perhaps a basis on which a peace could be forged. The Iranian people, aside from their government, want a westernized economy and civilization...but they are constructed by their govt. which is highly religious and women can have their parts cut off if they don't agree with the status quo. Men are in control (Wahhabi) Countries having been as kind? If you mean, in comparison to us...most. We've been rather deconstructive. There's no irony in it at all....Iran's govt. wants to see western govt's and Israel destroyed, wiped off the face of the Earth. In my opinion (and I very well could be wrong) it's related to the fact that (as Ron Paul so eloquently said) "the reason they're shooting at us is because we're shooting at them". Soooooo....we should stop shooting at them (economically or otherwise). And in the end....if they want to kill each other at the end of the day....fucking let 'em. Kinda makes sense if you think about it for more than a milisecond.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/12/2012 8:13:53 PM)
The irony is since Christians are vulnerable because we are soft we have a strong military, much stronger than theirs. Since the Jews sided with Obama, I say let the antichrist save you. He could send them humanitarian aid.

Moonhead -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 4:50:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Oh, and for your edification, google 'Wanstallarian Wicca'. It is an 'approved' Wiccan religion formed by my brother who decided to venture a little further away from my own Paganism. He happens to be high priest. lol. So, yes, if I chose to, like my brother, I could! :) And to save you the trouble, he has declared that it is loosely based on the Gardinarian philosophy - which I don't wholly subscribe to. And interestingly, it is Wiccan, not Pagan. All Wiccans are pagans, but not all pagans are Wiccans. But it's cute that your brother has got in touch with his inner fluffiness in that fashion.

vincentML -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:08:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM The irony is since Christians are vulnerable because we are soft we have a strong military, much stronger than theirs. Since the Jews sided with Obama, I say let the antichrist save you. He could send them humanitarian aid. The last 'Christian' army that won a victory was? . .. .. wait, don't tell me. It will come to me [8\|]

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:10:55 AM)
This conflict with Iran goes back for some time. I think people seem to think that it dates only back to the Bush II administration. Like I said earlier the modern world is corrosive. This suggests that the United States is not the cause. Perhaps they object to Mexican radio. Perhaps Mexico will be next on their list. If it is not one thing it is going to be something else. With nuclear power Iran appears like it wants to cherry pick. This is the dangerous technology of the modern world of choice, less dangerous than feminism. Are they wrong?

vincentML -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:17:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM This conflict with Iran goes back for some time. I think people seem to think that it dates only back to the Bush II administration. Like I said earlier the modern world is corrosive. This suggests that the United States is not the cause. Perhaps they object to Mexican radio. Perhaps Mexico will be next on their list. If it is not one thing it is going to be something else. With nuclear power Iran appears like it wants to cherry pick. This is the dangerous technology of the modern world of choice, less dangerous than feminism. Are they wrong? Iran is getting her ass kicked in Syria.

Moonhead -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:35:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM This conflict with Iran goes back for some time. I think people seem to think that it dates only back to the Bush II administration. Like I said earlier the modern world is corrosive. This suggests that the United States is not the cause. Perhaps they object to Mexican radio. Perhaps Mexico will be next on their list. If it is not one thing it is going to be something else. With nuclear power Iran appears like it wants to cherry pick. This is the dangerous technology of the modern world of choice, less dangerous than feminism. Are they wrong? If they object to Mexican Radio, they're terribly wrong...

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:38:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead All Wiccans are pagans, but not all pagans are Wiccans. But it's cute that your brother has got in touch with his inner fluffiness in that fashion. I don't agree with you at all. And neither does my brother. Wiccans are Wiccans, not Pagans. The same as Jews are Jews, Catholics are Catholics, Protestants are Protestants.... etc. You are typically labelling all non-christians as Pagans. And Wiccans, generally (like Pagans), don't believe in an anti-christ or satan either. It's not part of their base belief structure - at least not for most Wiccans I have met or spoken to over here and my brother certainly does not believe in such. Although we follow slightly different non-christian beliefs, we are agreed that 'anti-christ' and 'satanist' style labels are only hurled at us by ignorant christian-based individuals. As for 'inner fluffiness'... methinks you been reading too many faerie stories. lol.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:40:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie In my opinion (and I very well could be wrong) it's related to the fact that (as Ron Paul so eloquently said) "the reason they're shooting at us is because we're shooting at them". In other words, I feel you are naive about this. People had been predicting that there would be a war in the Middle East involving the United States for decades. Bush II felt it was wise to be an accelerant. So in a sense you are right, but you are not on the mark. The situation we are in is not as simple as you portrayed it. Obama on the other hand has inflamed the situation, just in a different way. After all I have accused Obama of being Bush III. Obama has inflamed everything. Why? Because Obama has contempt for the United States and no sense of the sacred. If you want peace, bringing such a person to the peace negotiations is not the way to do it.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:44:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Iran is getting her ass kicked in Syria. Can you be more specific.

vincentML -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 8:46:40 AM)
quote: Obama on the other hand has inflamed the situation, just in a different way. After all I have accused Obama of being Bush III. Obama has inflamed everything. Why? Because Obama has contempt for the United States and no sense of the sacred. If you want peace, bringing such a person to the peace negotiations is not the way to do it. You assume that peace is desired. An option is 'balance of power.' If you are unhappy with Obama cast your vote against him . . . .oopss, too late!!!

BenevolentM -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 9:11:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Although we follow slightly different non-christian beliefs, we are agreed that 'anti-christ' and 'satanist' style labels are only hurled at us by ignorant christian-based individuals. You speak as if Obama were a Wiccan.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 9:13:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM ...Because Obama has contempt for the United States and no sense of the sacred. If you want peace, bringing such a person to the peace negotiations is not the way to do it. I have no idea why this is, so perhaps some of you over the pond could explain... Firstly, why use such a word as 'sacred' unless you meant it in a religious sense. In which case, it's not appropriate because the war in Iran and Syria aren't religious wars. Secondly, a comment was made on ABC news by an ABC reporter reporting on the BBC news on the eve of Obama's election win... "Most of the world outside of the US are overwhelmingly in favour of Obama but inside the US it's almost 50/50". And from where I am, noone, not a single soul, even considered Romney and we feel Obama is doing a fairly good job on the home front as well as worlwide; yet almost 50% of the US seems to think otherwise. I can't recall such a disparity of opinions between the US populace and the general worldwide opinion in my lifetime. Admittedly, that's only 4 decades, but that's still a fair chunk of presidents. Any opinions?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 9:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Although we follow slightly different non-christian beliefs, we are agreed that 'anti-christ' and 'satanist' style labels are only hurled at us by ignorant christian-based individuals. You speak as if Obama were a Wiccan. And where, pray, was Obama even mentioned or hinted at in that post, huh??

vincentML -> RE: Why should we preserve Iran (11/13/2012 9:17:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Iran is getting her ass kicked in Syria. Can you be more specific. Iran is supporting Al Assad in a brutal war with troops and weapons while suffering economic depletion at home. At best Assad will end up as a leader of one faction. A set back for Iran's desire for regional hegemony.

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