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onurkneesnbeg -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/19/2013 8:36:24 PM)
I can't imagine sharing a pet of mine with some weirdo that I don't know. Is this a common practice?

LafayetteLady -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/19/2013 10:04:37 PM)
I would say it isn't common or uncommon. However the OP is talking about a swap that is simply cyber. Her whole relationship is just cyber with a man she has never met who has a significant other he lives with.

Arturas -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 7:55:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Because "virtual" relationships and interactions are just that, "virtual." Before you have the chance to attempt some other philosophical bullshit you are clueless about, "virtual" means "simulating the real thing." So does that seep into your head? Do I understand you to say that a planned and orchestrated play session carefuly crafted, in person, by a Dom to simulate a real and hopeless situation is the "real thing" but the same Dom doing a mind fuck via cam is not? As for me, I am very certain after practicing this lifestyle since 2005 that all BDSM play is "simulating the real thing" or we would be all serving prison terms and it is up to the Dom and sub to decide the medium used for said mind fuck. How did you decide you can make that judgement of others in their choosen form of BDSM play? Also, when one resorts to personal insults to push their point don't you agree they are generally left with only that in their hopelessly desperate need to appear clued in? Well, you seem to be trying desperately to be clued in and seem to feel you are the lone voice of reason here, yet, more people agree with me than with you. You are discussing "scenes" while we are discussing relationships. Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind, but given your history here, it is certainly good for the OP that she has rational people like me and the others to help her see what is wrong with her situation. Yet the OP did not seem grateful at all and and who can blame her? After all, in her OP she requests any Dom interested to reply and nothing else. She is not asking for value judgements and she is not asking your opinion on their relationship or the right or wrong of her invitation and instead is issuing an invitation to do "scenes" online. So, please enlighten me on how you feel you are not off topic when discussing relationships instead of replying to her invitation in a positive manner or not at all because to be on topic one must be communicating their positive interest to her and her Dom and nothing else. The OP is surprised and disappointed in the responses and I, while not surprised, can understand why. So, tell me again why you are rational? Was it because most agree with you on the CM forum and do you believe that is rational?

Arturas -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 12:20:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poise quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas I am very certain after practicing this lifestyle since 2005 that all BDSM play is "simulating the real thing" or we would be all serving prison terms and it is up to the Dom and sub to decide the medium used for said mind fuck. Say what? You mean, since 2005, you have only been "simulating" BDSM, and not actually doing the real thing? That certainly explains an awful lot of your previous posts here on the boards. quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas How did you decide you can make that judgement of others in their choosen form of BDSM play? ? Perhaps it was as easy for her as it was for you when you made the statement bolded above. Duh. [:-] Ouch! Oh really that does not hurt because the truth is all BDSM is a simulation of something real in order to convince the sub (and Dom) she is in a real and very dangerous and uncontrollable situation when in fact she has full control; It is simulated. Even extreme BDSM is conducted with the permission of the bottom so it is play or simulation, not real. Since I am a Dom then I know this but it seems you do not understand this? Scene play are real like situations produced and choreographed by the creative Dom. Given this is true, and it is, then what was your point again?

mnottertail -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 12:22:02 PM)
when I whip my girl with nettles, it is not a 'simulation', she hurts. And when I grab her by the hair and tell her to gobble that cock like its her last meal on earth, you can quote me....'no simulation' whatsover. It's her life, at that point, to drain that testosterone off me.

Arturas -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 12:34:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when I whip my girl with nettles, it is not a 'simulation', she hurts. And when I grab her by the hair and tell her to gobble that cock like its her last meal on earth, you can quote me....'no simulation' whatsover. It's her life, at that point, to drain that testosterone off me. And when I bind my real girl, tammystarm, for several hours and whip her it hurts also but the objective is not to hurt her but use the hurt and hair pulling to skillfully propel her into sub space by simulating a situation she cannot control. In fact she does have control. What you describe is not BDSM. It's wanking. It's abuse. Not BDSM by a Dom.

mnottertail -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 12:38:47 PM)
Thats you pal and does not serve as the modus operandi for all of us. I could care less, it is in the void. Just like tv, I know its three oclock and I spin the channel knob, and I get Spongebob..... I beat her, I get my cock sucked. I don't gotta know electromagnetic spectrum or what the color bands on the resistors count up to. and simulation does not mean what you think it means. I end with concrete outcomes. I don't give a fuck what goes on in her head, so long as I get mine.....

LafayetteLady -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 1:39:40 PM)
Yes, I am rational. I live in the real world, not the fantasy that you an Tammy live in (until the next public airing of all your problems). You proclaim to be a dominant, yet you also recognize you have absolutely no control over your submissive and to top it off, you have this bizarre need to feed your OCD by planning elaborate scenes. Newsflash sugar tits, YOUR definition of BDSM is not everyone's definition. No one cares what fantasy world you live in, or your lack of understanding of reality or psychology, sociology or basic human interaction. You seem to be replying under the delusion that the OP only wanted the point of view of dominants. Well, I'm a switch, so that makes me qualified to answer, even though I still believe you are deluded. This is a young girl who is being led down the rosy path by someone who is clueless (do you feel a kinship with him?). What most of us have done is to attempt to keep her from doing something she will regret when the frenzy is over, or when she finds herself posted on every amateur porn site there is, which ever comes first. So please, feel free, in all your domly dominess to tell her what a wonderful idea it is for her to continue doing what she is doing. I doubt you care if she is later hurt by doing what she is doing. As an aside, your misunderstanding of the terms "simulation" and "virtual" is disturbing.

littlewonder -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:13:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas And when I bind my real girl, tammystarm, for several hours and whip her it hurts also but the objective is not to hurt her but use the hurt and hair pulling to skillfully propel her into sub space by simulating a situation she cannot control. In fact she does have control. What you describe is not BDSM. It's wanking. It's abuse. Not BDSM by a Dom. And right there is the difference. Master is a sadist. Many times when he hurts me, it's not because I get into subspace. It's the hurt me...pure and simple. I don't always hit subspace and it really doesn't always matter to him. I am happy to please him and endure for him but the purpose of his hurting me is not to propel me into subspace. Abuse to you, M/s and sadism for us.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:26:39 PM)
Well said, LafayetteLady. I read what he says and instantly I imagine someone who just likes hearing the sound of his own voice....even when that voice is making absolutely ZERO sense. Unfortunately you can lead a horse to water, but you cant stop him from drowning himself in it instead of drinking [8\|] quote: And when I bind my real girl, tammystarm, for several hours and whip her it hurts also but the objective is not to hurt her but use the hurt and hair pulling This right there told me all I needed to know. The train for Logictown left hours ago and he got to the station way too late to make the departure time. Either that or talking out one's ass just became an official language. Whether you are hurting someone just for the hell of it or you are hurting them so you can use that hurt you cause to take them somewhere in their own head, you are still hurting someone else. What makes what you do BDSM and not abuse too? Who died and made you the one to judge what you do as okay and what someone else does as not okay?

sexyred1 -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when I whip my girl with nettles, it is not a 'simulation', she hurts. And when I grab her by the hair and tell her to gobble that cock like its her last meal on earth, you can quote me....'no simulation' whatsover. It's her life, at that point, to drain that testosterone off me. Not to hijack, but do you really use nettles? I always read Victorian erotica about them and find it so hot, but here in NJ, I don't suppose one could find nettles anywhere. :)

Hillwilliam -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:44:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when I whip my girl with nettles, it is not a 'simulation', she hurts. And when I grab her by the hair and tell her to gobble that cock like its her last meal on earth, you can quote me....'no simulation' whatsover. It's her life, at that point, to drain that testosterone off me. Not to hijack, but do you really use nettles? I always read Victorian erotica about them and find it so hot, but here in NJ, I don't suppose one could find nettles anywhere. :) Wear a pair of shorts and walk thru an overgrown pasture. I guarandamntee you'll find nettles.

sexyred1 -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:45:55 PM)
Pasture? Hmmmm....I live right on the cliff facing Manhattan's skyline so no pastures here!

mnottertail -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:49:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when I whip my girl with nettles, it is not a 'simulation', she hurts. And when I grab her by the hair and tell her to gobble that cock like its her last meal on earth, you can quote me....'no simulation' whatsover. It's her life, at that point, to drain that testosterone off me. Not to hijack, but do you really use nettles? I always read Victorian erotica about them and find it so hot, but here in NJ, I don't suppose one could find nettles anywhere. :) Ubiquitous. http://njaes.rutgers.edu/harmfulplants/full.asp?stingingnettle go behind abandoned buildings that can hold moisture longer because they only get morning sun, or other like places. Then (and this is reall raelll rrrrrrrrrrrrrEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAALLLLLLL important) pick a single leaf and hold it in the palm of your hand tightly for 20 minutes (I dont give a fuck how much it hurts), toss it away, and within 20 more minutes or so it should go away. If the rash persists, or you feel achy and kind of like you got the flu, wash with castile soap, lay down and take a nap, and some aspirin, and never do it again, you are allergic to formic acid. otherwise, tear that ass up!!!!

sexyred1 -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:51:25 PM)
Thanks for the info!!

Kana -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:52:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when I whip my girl with nettles, it is not a 'simulation', she hurts. And when I grab her by the hair and tell her to gobble that cock like its her last meal on earth, you can quote me....'no simulation' whatsover. It's her life, at that point, to drain that testosterone off me. And when I bind my real girl, tammystarm, for several hours and whip her it hurts also but the objective is not to hurt her but use the hurt and hair pulling to skillfully propel her into sub space by simulating a situation she cannot control. In fact she does have control. What you describe is not BDSM. It's wanking. It's abuse. Not BDSM by a Dom. Yeah, but what if I want to hurt her, don't want her to get into subspace so she feels every inch of the pain, be utterly present for what I'm doing. There ain't no "simulation" in what I do. It's all real. And I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't roleplay, I don't like phantasms. I'm all about right here, right now, being utterly present in the moment.

OsideGirl -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:52:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Yes, I am rational. I live in the real world, not the fantasy that you an Tammy live in (until the next public airing of all your problems). You proclaim to be a dominant, yet you also recognize you have absolutely no control over your submissive and to top it off, you have this bizarre need to feed your OCD by planning elaborate scenes. Newsflash sugar tits, YOUR definition of BDSM is not everyone's definition. No one cares what fantasy world you live in, or your lack of understanding of reality or psychology, sociology or basic human interaction. You seem to be replying under the delusion that the OP only wanted the point of view of dominants. Well, I'm a switch, so that makes me qualified to answer, even though I still believe you are deluded. This is a young girl who is being led down the rosy path by someone who is clueless (do you feel a kinship with him?). What most of us have done is to attempt to keep her from doing something she will regret when the frenzy is over, or when she finds herself posted on every amateur porn site there is, which ever comes first. So please, feel free, in all your domly dominess to tell her what a wonderful idea it is for her to continue doing what she is doing. I doubt you care if she is later hurt by doing what she is doing. As an aside, your misunderstanding of the terms "simulation" and "virtual" is disturbing. Well, let's also add that BDSM does not equal D/s. Technically, you don't need to be a Dom or sub to engage in BDSM. Let's take BDSM out of the equation and focus on Domination and submission since he's looking to swap her to another Dominant. D/s to me isn't about the kinky sex, it's about the service. Other than providing wank material, she cannot provide service to a Dominant via webcam.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:56:09 PM)
Y'all be nice to arturus. He read one of the Gor books and everything.

mnottertail -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 2:57:21 PM)
Well, he didn't get it then. Hup the Fool, interTubelianGoreanMasteroftheinterStellerinterGalacticNebulae

mnottertail -> RE: Swapping submissives for a few days? (2/20/2013 3:02:06 PM)
http://njaes.rutgers.edu/harmfulplants/plant.asp?26 more on stinging nettle, not nearly as elusive as the female orgasm, for a few days of swapping.

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