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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 6:18:05 PM   
LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: SacredDepravity

Home birth I have no particular issue with. My issue is with the residues and dirt from the chains along with what new accumulations may occur in the birthing process. Chain is not the easiest thing to thoroughly clean quickly. That is the ill-advisement I meant. Sorryif it wasn't clear before.

As an aside, I am not a proponent of the "it's all about the children now" mentality of child rearing. It gives children power within the home that they neither have a right to nor can handle. It's the inmates running the asylum, so to speak. I believe healthy kids begin and end with the healthiest possible parental unit and sometimes a child's "stuff" has to take at least a temporary back seat. I am required and want to do everything possible to meet my child's needs. Their wants or what society has turned into needs that are really just wants will have to wait more often than not. That all being said, I do believe birth really is all about the child...having the birthing process be as smooth, uncomplicated, healthy, and peaceful as possible. It is about their entry into this world and all that it means. It is a time for a family to bond together. It is not time for frivolous nonsense (not calling M/s and fetishes nonsense as such to be clear). At least for awhile, baby is pretty much the it person in the house. Most people get this. Let's get to reality here and take the kinky stuff out of it. This is about healthy mother and baby, bringing a new member into the family, and all the diapers and midnight feedings inbetween. Chains and feeling submission? You are getting ready to have a sweet, beautiful baby come into your life and forever change your world. Focus on that instead.

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The concept of "all about the children" isn't giving them "power." It is about a parent recognizing that the child's needs are paramount in the household. Say you love peanut butter. Eat it every day. But your child is severely allergic to nuts. No more peanut butter in the house for you.

It's the baby needs to eat, but you are in the middle of something else. Baby eats. You are horribly tired, but your child is wide awake, you don't sleep.

I don't think anyone here believes that you let the children take charge so to speak, but rather that as a parent, it is your job to make sure your child's health and well being come first, that you teach them appropriate behavior (which sometimes includes waiting). It means that your life is no longer your own because you are responsible for someone who needs to eventually become a productive, hopefully compassionate and consider, adult.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 6:46:06 PM   
lizi


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Sounds like an epic wank fantasy.


That was my thought as well.


Yeah, seems fishy to me too. A woman who is so so so slavey that she wants to give birth in chains and wears them around the house...right. It's a profile that just opened today, and has no info, and he found the forums within minutes to ask his question. It could be a sock that someone opened up for the purpose of asking the question, but doesn't seem likely as I don't think any of the regular posters here are welcoming a child into the world, and if it were an irregular poster or new poster than there would be no need for a sock. Then there's the fact that he came back to say things were going off topic...basically he's only interested in his story.
Interesting thing about the profile, says he's looking for submissive women. Interesting. Wonder if the "wife" knows that.

I can't see that the midwife would've signed off on this idea because there IS risk involved. I can't see that a woman about to give birth to a new life would put herself first, and want to put her D/s role ahead of her role as a mother, as far as safety is concerned. Why does she need this platform to shout about her slave role? Big deal. She could perhaps you know....just be a slave. Seems rather egotistical to use an event that is centered around someone else, the baby, for herself. Maybe she should man up and put the baby first here and stop acting like it's all about her. After spending the last few months working with special needs children and seeing how difficult it was for their families to care for them, I can tell you the LAST freaking thing on my list of things to do during a childbirth would be to introduce any tiny little thing that might impact that birth in a negative way. The weight of the guilt if anything went wrong would crush me.

I think it's greatly disturbing that this woman walks around in chains around her children. It's the choice of the adults to choose their lifestyle, not the kids, they're just along for the ride and can't consent to a thing. It's blatantly obvious that chains are chains and not freaking jewelry. Any 3 year old would know what chains are, they're in use all over the place as items of utility - they aren't sold as jewelry, and no other woman out there is walking around wearing chains as jewelry. In the media if chains are shown on a person, it would inevitably be for the reason of having that person locked up and secured and it would have a negative connotation.

Mom, if she exists, needs to put her chains away and stop being such an attention whore to the point where she's dragging her kids into areas that they have no business being in. In fact, if this uberslave woman exists she's one of the biggest attention whores I've heard of in my time of being on this site. It's not all about her, or her life as a slave, or her devotion to her Master, or her dedication to the D/s power exchange, or any other ridiculous thing that seems to count for more than just being an observant, quietly dedicated mother who also happens to be a slave.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 8:14:21 PM   
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This is ridiculous and most likely bullshit as I can't
imagine what kind of crackhead midwife would agree
to such a thing.

One of the major attractions of a home birth is for the
baby to be born in a peaceful environment without some
of the stimuli of a clinical setting. I'm thinking being born
to the sound of rattling chains isn't all that soothing.
Baby: Is that my mom or the ghost of Jacob Marley?

And I agree that a mother who needs her slave props while
giving birth or caring for her children is a attention whore.
You've heard of do me subs? Meet the look at me look at me slave.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 8:22:41 PM   
wintermaster


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Status: offline 		You are right that I just opened this profile today. It was to specifically ask the question I did. Yes the profile says that i am "seeking" submissive women, but that is for her to get to know some friends and was intended for her use. My wife and I are very private and she would not do this on her own (in fact she is watching me type this and is making some good points that I will not share). A little less profanity and outright verbal abuse would be appreciated.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 8:57:01 PM   
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A little less profanity and outright verbal abuse would be appreciated.


There's been no verbal abuse and very little profanity.

You're on a forum. People get to post their opinion.


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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 8:57:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, Wintermaster. Without swearing.

I think it is wrong to involve a minor in a scene.

I think it is wronger to casually add complications to what is likely the most dangerous thing your wife will ever do.

I think it is criminal to risk a baby for kink.

Now, let's think of all those swear words I didn't use, but should have.

Edit : Grammer

< Message edited by FrostedFlake -- 3/21/2013 8:58:22 PM >

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 9:11:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wintermaster

You are right that I just opened this profile today. It was to specifically ask the question I did. Yes the profile says that i am "seeking" submissive women, but that is for her to get to know some friends and was intended for her use. My wife and I are very private and she would not do this on her own (in fact she is watching me type this and is making some good points that I will not share). A little less profanity and outright verbal abuse would be appreciated.


I used no profanity and saw exactly 1 word of profanity on the entire thread. Exaggerate much? If you want people to take you seriously then be reliable in what you are talking about.

The phrase "attention whore" is a descriptive phrase to describe someone who wants/needs attention in a theatrical, exaggerated manner - it's certainly not verbal abuse, it's the best way to describe someone who needs to go clanking around in chains to the point where they're doing it in front of children to express a rather private side of themselves. Saying that your wife and yourself are private, and then wondering if the two of you should use ridiculously overblown props to stage the birth of a child to provide a unique expression of being a slave is an absurd juxtaposition of conflicting concepts. Much like someone protesting that they eat like a bird, but then manages to plow through a jumbo steak for dinner.

Maybe it's just me, but I find your wife's need to put herself at the center of attention to be silly and certainly attention seeking. If she's the wonderful, private, slave that you two are saying she is, then she shouldn't need to confuse your children by calling a length of chain attached to her ankles "jewelry", and she shouldn't need to advertise her relationship role - if she's so private that is. Why not just be a slave? Why does she need the props? Isn't slavehood an internal state of being? If she needs the chains to be your slave then she's not much of a slave.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 9:14:30 PM   
wintermaster


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Status: offline 		Again, I am not worried about opinion. I have brought up a very complicated subject about the desires of a consenting woman and her birth plan. There are a few that are becoming hysterical over parenting issues, well being of the children, etc. I understand that people would like to comment on other aspects of our family dynamic, but frankly what we are doing is not against any laws or violating any universal ethical principles. There is no data in medical literature to support the claim that anyone is at risk with going through with what she desires. Several states continue to shackle prisoners during labor. This practice, appropriately, is being reversed but not because of increased complications during labor and delivery but because it is not right to do that to a woman AGAINST her will. So please, lets have well structured debate.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 9:24:30 PM   
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We have wandered a little from the original question, but I will state that no children will see the birth. Our first child was not around for the second child's in-hospital birth. As far as the appropriateness of exposing children to her bondage, she simply tells them that they are her jewelry that daddy gave her (no different than the ornate bracelets, necklaces and ankles that many women wear). She wears normal clothes and mostly long skirts which make them less obvious. Yes, we may have to sit down and talk to the children about our lifestyle someday, but how is that different than a same sex couple having to discuss their lifestyle to adoptive or biological children. The chains are only things the children see from our relationship everything else is kept in the bedroom. She does not call me master: "honey" or "sweetie" are her titles of respect for me.


Completely inappropriate to compare telling your kids about BDSM with same sex couples. Are you kidding me?

I don't care if she wears a burka and all they see are the chains. There is NO reason whatsoever to involve children in your sex life or your trappings. Let them be influenced by their own decisions. Do you not understand how smart children are? Do you not think that children's sexuality are formed by their early memories and very much so upon witnessing their parents?

I still maintain that you are putting your "proof" of your lifestyle ahead of having a healthy child.

I swear, I shake my head over what some people feel is important.

As for debate, there is no debate here. It is my opinion that you have a stupid idea and I and many other posters told you why we thinks so.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 9:29:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's your "well structured debate"...you came to our world for advice & got it.
What you are claiming is real rates higher & higher on the BS meter the more you attempt to control others you have ZERO authority with.
I'm positive the local police & DCFS would disagree with you that wearing chains in front of children for sexual thrills & intentionally wearing them for same during childbirth is a good, legal, or appropriate thing to do...up to & including taking all of your kids should wifey roll into the emergency room in chains.

But hey this is all about you so feel free to tell us again what to say & think

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 9:32:58 PM   
wintermaster


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Status: offline 		That is a fair assessment and fair questions. All I can say is that this is her desire. I do not think that she has to have 24/7 bondage to take on and become a slave. She just likes the feeling of bondage and it is a reminder of her consented status. Even though I said she has spent days in chains, in reality she may only wear them 30-40% of the time only while at home.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 9:37:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wintermaster

Again, I am not worried about opinion. I have brought up a very complicated subject about the desires of a consenting woman and her birth plan. There are a few that are becoming hysterical over parenting issues, well being of the children, etc. I understand that people would like to comment on other aspects of our family dynamic, but frankly what we are doing is not against any laws or violating any universal ethical principles. There is no data in medical literature to support the claim that anyone is at risk with going through with what she desires. Several states continue to shackle prisoners during labor. This practice, appropriately, is being reversed but not because of increased complications during labor and delivery but because it is not right to do that to a woman AGAINST her will. So please, lets have well structured debate.


BS, the bolded bit above is not true. There is no body of evidence that constitutes scholarly knowledge of the subject. You said so in the quote below yourself...

quote:


After searching the internet, I am starting to believe that it is a truly unique experience since there are no testimonials that I could find except of prison inmates.


You can't say that there is no data to support that anyone wouldn't be at risk, because there is no data, period. Nice try.

The one reference you had about prisoners giving birth while chained doesn't prove or disprove anything. You can't use that as evidence that this would be a safe thing to do, it proves no such thing.

You're wrong, the two of you ARE violating a universal ethical principle- that of minimizing the risk of bringing a child into this world as safely as possible, and certainly not putting any additional risks in the way of this child for vain and selfish reasons.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 9:41:09 PM   
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That is a fair assessment and fair questions. All I can say is that this is her desire. I do not think that she has to have 24/7 bondage to take on and become a slave. She just likes the feeling of bondage and it is a reminder of her consented status. Even though I said she has spent days in chains, in reality she may only wear them 30-40% of the time only while at home.

Ok here comes the profanity:
If this is true, fucking SAY NO!!!! This is your child & slaves life & safety, keep your kink & wank fantisies about "how hot it would be" out of your childrens safety!!

Alternative is you in jail, her possibly dead & kids in a foster home. Kinda kills the whole "its hot" thing doesn't it?

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 10:06:52 PM   
lizi


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That is a fair assessment and fair questions. All I can say is that this is her desire. I do not think that she has to have 24/7 bondage to take on and become a slave. She just likes the feeling of bondage and it is a reminder of her consented status. Even though I said she has spent days in chains, in reality she may only wear them 30-40% of the time only while at home.


Please reread what you wrote here and tell me that your wife's desire for wearing chains 'only 30-40% of the time' that she's at home isn't visible to your children? Why is she allowed by you to expose them to that? It's not appropriate, and it's not normal in the world that your children will come to know. Do you understand how children talk? They're going to be in school, they're going to be going over to playmate's homes, or staying with relatives, meeting people in the neighborhood, etc. Think this over....what if one of them mentions to a teacher or figure of authority her/his mommy's chains or asks other women why they don't have the same jewelry as mommy?

That figure of authority may feel bound to report the child's confession and you all will be in a shitstorm of biblical proportions. Then your supposedly private life will be out there for everyone's consumption. This is the world of today. Stuff gets reported, people act, there are people that will think it's important to step in- they will think she is being abused. They won't understand that she likes to be chained up to express her slavehood, and if she told them that don't you think you are risking someone somewhere pondering the question of if children should remain in a home where mommy is a bit cracked in the head? Are you prepared to open the door to a policeman standing there asking to see the lady of the house? Even if you get it all worked out, do you think that is an appropriate scenario for a child to witness?

Some of the things on here that get discussed are unlikely to happen. In this case, you all have 2 children and 1 more coming. One of them at some point in time is going to say something. Count on it. What happens is up for grabs, but I'm telling you, I'd not be willing to risk any intrusion on my family, home life, or private life by some "well meaning" outsiders. Try explaining your Master/slave relationship to them and see if things go perfectly well, or more likely than not, there are repercussions. Are you willing to take that chance with your 3 children? I wouldn't be.

Your wife should need no props for her "consented status" or get her some bracelets and anklets to wear like the most of the other BDSM'ers who groove on that type of thing. She's being allowed, by you, to carry out a very private side of your life openly to other human beings who lack the filter of understanding what this is all about. Those kids should make their own decision on their lifestyle as an adult, not be pushed into one non-consensually. It doesn't really matter if she likes the feeling of bondage where it concerns others, your children, she needs to grow up and get her need for bondage fulfilled when she's out of their sight.

I can't honestly believe that you keep trying to justify your wife's "need" to wear chains in your home as a normal and healthy thing that is going to stay private. It's not. The first picture your child draws in preschool of Mommy and Daddy is going to show her with chains attached because kids do crazy things like that. When the teacher asks what those things are, the kid is going to tell him, because he thinks it's normal- you two are passing it off as normal. As you and I know, the world won't think that is normal. Please consider where this rather dramatic need of your wife's is not doing your children any favors and is in fact bringing something that the two of you agreed to, and privately engage in, out into an audience that that will be influenced by it and shouldn't be.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/21/2013 11:29:16 PM   
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Several states continue to shackle prisoners during labor. This practice, appropriately, is being reversed but not because of increased complications during labor and delivery but because it is not right to do that to a woman AGAINST her will. So please, lets have well structured debate.


First, I would like to point out that these women who are shackled during labor and done so in a hospital setting. Not at home where the risks are increased.

Second, many states are removing those shackles, making them illegal.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/woman-shackled-giving-birth-states/story?id=17436798#.UUv1bReG3v4

Illinois, where it is legal to do so, lost a suit of 4.1 million over this issue.

As far as why... that is simple. Labor is the not a time in a woman's life that she is likely to be in any condition to flee. Exactly how far is she going to go mid-contraction?

Now, I can safely say that, yes, a woman could very well be at risk for being in shackles. What happens if they get stuck? If the lock breaks? If the woman suddenly needs CPR and they cant shock her because they cant get the shackles off?

These are very real concerns for a L&D unit. And these are also things you need to keep in mind.

What if you cant get them off in time.... the key breaks in the lock... the lock simply wont open.... your wife's heart stops and she needs to be shocked...

How about complications? A prolapsed cord for example. The cord slips down into the birth canal before the head, cutting off oxygen to your baby. Stat c-section. Someone will be there to keep the head from decending into the birth canal... yup.. a hand constantly inside her vagina. (Can you tell this is my field?) Gonna play hell getting those shackles off then.

There are so many possible outcomes with a delivery. You are already adding a potential problem by having it at home. Why add another potential with the shackles.

From a Labor and Delivery nurse, tell her no. Her safety needs come before her want to feel like the "ultimate slave".

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/22/2013 12:10:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, I so want to jump in here and take up defense but, honestly, I'm only about 30-40% motivated right now. The sentiment is genuine, though.

Evidently, I'm in disagreement with the majority but will say just this for now...

---A home birth can be viewed as an unnecessary risk with or without the chains.

---My alternative lifestyle choice is as valid as the next person's alternative lifestyle choice, my innate need for it equally valid. Social norms are always screwing somebody out of their rights.

As for your kids viewing your lifestyle choice, that's dangerous territory and you can never be too concerned that CPS will tear your family apart.

---However, children don't have to be traumatized by their parents' deviance from social norms. Parents can only do their best to endeavor to do it right... which is the challenge for all parents, all unique and all unlicensed.

And by the time they're teenagers, they're just gonna think you're freaks anyway!!

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/22/2013 1:00:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wintermaster

You are right that I just opened this profile today. It was to specifically ask the question I did. Yes the profile says that i am "seeking" submissive women, but that is for her to get to know some friends and was intended for her use. My wife and I are very private and she would not do this on her own (in fact she is watching me type this and is making some good points that I will not share). A little less profanity and outright verbal abuse would be appreciated.


So your wife isn't capable of creating her own profile? That's a pretty basic life skill she's lacking. As for her making friends, you pretty much blew that idea with this post.

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ORIGINAL: wintermaster

Again, I am not worried about opinion. I have brought up a very complicated subject about the desires of a consenting woman and her birth plan. There are a few that are becoming hysterical over parenting issues, well being of the children, etc. I understand that people would like to comment on other aspects of our family dynamic, but frankly what we are doing is not against any laws or violating any universal ethical principles. There is no data in medical literature to support the claim that anyone is at risk with going through with what she desires. Several states continue to shackle prisoners during labor. This practice, appropriately, is being reversed but not because of increased complications during labor and delivery but because it is not right to do that to a woman AGAINST her will. So please, lets have well structured debate.


As tazzy said, those women are in a hospital setting. Also, their ankles aren't chained. You can't compare your wife's desire to what happens to prisoners, because it isn't the same thing.

As theRose4U mentioned, Children's services and the police are likely to disagree that your "family dynamic" is not against any laws or violating any universal ethical principles. Most of the western world believes slavery is bad, consensual or not.

As for it being a "family dynamic," your BDSM lifestyle choice is not a "family dynamic" it is the dynamic between you and your partner. If you believe it is a family thing, then hopefully you will get that knock on the door soon.

Oh, and I wouldn't trust that midwife to not blow the whistle on you either. After all, she is now consenting to put HER career at risk should something go wrong, and those chains in any way contribute to the problem.

As for the "well-structured debate," it would seem that to you, that would mean everyone agrees with you, which isn't a debate at all.

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ORIGINAL: wintermaster

That is a fair assessment and fair questions. All I can say is that this is her desire. [i][b]I do not think that she has to have 24/7 bondage to take on and become a slave. She just likes the feeling of bondage and it is a reminder of her consented status. Even though I said she has spent days in chains, in reality she may only wear them 30-40% of the time only while at home.


Backpedaling about how much she is in chains is irrelevant. You have young children who are in the home 24/7 for the most part, so her being in chains half the time is not good. Especially, since you made it clear this was done during the day, not when she is sleeping and the children are in bed. But nice try (not really).

Look at the bold parts above. Exactly who is in charge here? Sounds like she tells you what she wants to meet her "slavely" needs and you comply. So regardless of titles, cupcake, she is YOUR master, since you don't seem to have control over her.


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RE: home birth in chains - 3/22/2013 1:28:19 AM   
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I'm not against home births, but here's food for though about giving birth in chains. I did a research paper on the treatment of women in prisons, and one of the hot-button issues is the fact that women have to be shackled and chained to the bed during the birth of their kids. It has been described as "dehumanizing" by some scholars, and I can't imagine it being comfortable for the poor women that have to endure it.

At the very moment in the pregnancy when you should be tended to and pampered, you and your wife want to spice it up with some kink. Your kink ain't mine, but get your priorities straight for the sake of the baby. How about chaining her up for a bit at the beginning? I'm not judging you; just concerned about the health of your wife and the baby.

I didn't find the analogy between kink and homosexuality particularly offensive -- in some circles, both can be considered alternative lifestyles. Oside is right on the money, though. The latter won't get CPS called on you, the former will, in some cases. Think about that.

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/22/2013 2:31:44 AM   
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So please, lets have well structured debate.


Okay. You are an utter Burke. Rebuttal?

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RE: home birth in chains - 3/22/2013 3:07:37 AM   
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FrostedFlake Post 59: So please, let's have well structured debate.
Okay. You are an utter Burke. Rebuttal??

Will do this rebuttal for wintermaster, who may have been chased away.

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LafayetteLady Post 57: All I can say is that this is her desire. I do not think that she has to have 24/7 bondage to take on and become a slave. She just likes the feeling of bondage . . .
Look at the bold parts above. Exactly who is in charge here? Sounds like she tells you what she wants to meet her "slavely" needs and you comply. So regardless of titles, cupcake, she is YOUR master, since you don't seem to have control over her.
(out of order) your wife isn't capable of creating her own profile?

You'd like to get to the wife, wouldn't you, LL ? But she's got him insulating her. After three pages you finally discovered what was evident on page one. That the wife calls the shots. Certainly on chain attire and birth and children, she does. (Wait a minute, is that so different from all of us?)

Problem is, that's the way it is. Calling the OP 'cupcake' is silly and doesn't change things. It's not one of those threads where an OP asks us how to do BDSM, and we have to break it to em that he's not really Dom.

If you're right, you're wrong, LL. Cuz to the extent wintermaster is not the power, then what's he supposed to do? But let us throw in a FURTHER curve:

Society and law reserves abortion/birth decisions to a woman and her practitioners. Not to a man. As a few posters already unintendedly pointed out (post 16, 17) birthing is not about the man. DOMS ARE NO EXCEPTION. Wintermaster faces the unenviable position of feeling the tinge of male redundancy during childbirth, but not acknowledging it, due to his role play.

Let's put it this way, a Dom's last resorts for enforcing his will and direction, are Physical Punishment, Deprivation, Isolation, Banishing, Terminating the relationship. Really? He should chose these for a pregnant wife, who loves him this dearly? Who are you kidding? Where are his choices right now?

Here. Look. Forget chains for a moment. If a woman wants the safety of a hospital birthing, due to prior complications. But her Dom wants a home birth. What do CM folks say? Is that covered by BDSM? Of course not. If a woman wants a home birthing, but her DOM wants otherwise. What do CM folks say? Is that covered by BDSM heirchary? Of course not.

Interestingly not one of predecessor posters asked wintermaster the degree of his sovereignty EVEN in BDSM matters. While they fling at him, to veto his wife (post 30, 53). Cupcake (as you indignantly call him) never IMPLIED he had full Sovereignty.

And if not in BDSM, where else does he gain sovereignty over her, in birth matters? Under law? as a husband? Posters don't even have the tact to suggest he "talk her out of it". Instead many here are ridiculously expecting him to boss a pregnant woman around. LOL.

Good luck posters ! . . . . Can you say frenzied hysteria ?


< Message edited by Extravagasm -- 3/22/2013 4:06:48 AM >

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