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As a general warning to those that would notify CPS on the drop of a hat, again anything can be mentioned to CPS by a lay person (only certain things are reportable by mandatory reports, i.e. doctors, teachers who are trained to know when to report and when not to) but use caution on embellishing the facts you want to report. If you knowingly make a false statement that results in a CPS investigation and later it is determined that parts of the original report were fabricated, the reporting person can be charge with a class C felony in my state. I have seen it happen. Charging a person that makes a false report was designed as a deterrent in family custody situations where accusations abound.

I dont see how making a report that a mother is in chains in the home around her children would be viewed as a "false report"

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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As a general warning to those that would notify CPS on the drop of a hat, again anything can be mentioned to CPS by a lay person (only certain things are reportable by mandatory reports, i.e. doctors, teachers who are trained to know when to report and when not to) but use caution on embellishing the facts you want to report. If you knowingly make a false statement that results in a CPS investigation and later it is determined that parts of the original report were fabricated, the reporting person can be charge with a class C felony in my state. I have seen it happen. Charging a person that makes a false report was designed as a deterrent in family custody situations where accusations abound.

I dont see how making a report that a mother is in chains in the home around her children would be viewed as a "false report"

I agree. And CPS is required to check out every complaint made.

A child can be removed from a home if that home life is considered an unhealthy environment. It doesn't have to be direct child abuse.

Remember the kids named Adolf Hilter and Aryan Nation?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/adolf-hitler-campbell-custody-battle-nazi-names-new-jersey_n_1561046.html


The first time a child seriously hurts themselves and the mother gets hung up because of the chains, there will be issues. And regardless of whether she can do yoga in those chains, the fact remains that the chains are easy to snag. It's the same reason they don't recommend staking your dog on a chain in the yard.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
So your wife is walking around in chains around your children? Really? I find that to be completely inappropriate.

ETA: Unlike Oside, I don't choose to keep my comments of disgust to myself on this.

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It's quite sad that you can't see the difference between wearing ankle shackles and sex.

I think I understand. You wear ankle shackles instead of having sex because you see them as the same and they don't require a partner.

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I have been watching this thread for several days and wanted to comment. My credentials include an advance degree and training in matters dealing with children and I work closely with CPS. First, from a psychological standpoint, there is no evidence in the literature that a baby, when older, will have any lasting detrimental issues with knowing that his/her mother wore shackles during labor and delivery. Usually, many children do not even know the circumstances of the birth until much closer to adulthood if at all (I know I have never asked my mother about my birth other than it was natural and in the hospital). Secondly, wearing chains occasionally around children is considered a minor deviance from social norms and has been shown many times to not adversely affect the child. That is not to say that you will find an study in the literature that deals specifically with children being exposed to their mother wearing light bondage around the house. It is only that minor differences in social norms has no affect on children and they grow up healthy and normal when compared to their peers. The bottom line is that children are not as delicate as many profess on this thread and a loving supportive environment in the absence of abuse will produce well adjusted children. Lastly, though anything can be reported to CPS. CPS, in my state, would not investigate based on the report that "there is a mother that wears chains in front of her children." The basis of a CPS investigation would be reported physical/sexual abuse, neglect (malnutrition) including medical neglect, child endangerment (leaving your child in a locked car while the parent shops, living in a house with a meth lab). There are other broad sections that would prompt at CPS investigation but these are the only areas that the current situation by the OP would fall under. As a general warning to those that would notify CPS on the drop of a hat, again anything can be mentioned to CPS by a lay person (only certain things are reportable by mandatory reports, i.e. doctors, teachers who are trained to know when to report and when not to) but use caution on embellishing the facts you want to report. If you knowingly make a false statement that results in a CPS investigation and later it is determined that parts of the original report were fabricated, the reporting person can be charge with a class C felony in my state. I have seen it happen. Charging a person that makes a false report was designed as a deterrent in family custody situations where accusations abound.

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I have lost count of how many times over the years that my wife or myself have had to make the mad dash to pull one of our children back from something or take care of them when they have managed to do harm to themselves. The 30-40% of the time she is in chains can be the ONE time where she would have to move fast to rescue the child from something harmful

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I also agree with you on that point Baroana, that's why i said that children should not be exposed to the things we do as adults. We make our own choices in what we do and should NEVER NEVER NEVER expose, indoctrinate or do anything that would influence the perceptions of our children, I am with you 100% on that one!

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It has amazed me that "quick reaction time" persists as number one concern here with regard to a mother wearing chains at home. Running a distant second place is the possibility of child protective services paying a visit.

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She wants to have this baby fully chained (ankles and wrists) as she says that this will allow her to express her submissive/slave side and provide a unique aspect to the experience. After searching the internet, I am starting to believe that it is a truly unique experience... Is there anyone with this kind of experience?

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I cant think of one parent upon the face of this earth who has NEVER had to react quickly to something their children have gotten themselves into, it is a fact that kids do things at the most in-opportune time (usually as soon as you turn your back) that's just what they do.