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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 4:00:48 AM

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Religion has always collectively claimed souls for their worship. That is were many people go against the first rule of law. Free Will.
Funny how free will is in the book, but not in the ten commandments.
Once you start cutting into babies skin you damn free will. Its sort of the same with baptism in a spiritual cutting of from other convitions.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 8:35:06 AM

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This is a perfect example of Liberal brainwashing. Beck and Limbaugh merely show a video of what that "educated" liberal cow actually said, (with her own mouth) and according to the Liberal doctrine, it is Beck and limbaughs' fault!

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 8:51:11 AM

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This is a perfect example of Liberal brainwashing. Beck and Limbaugh merely show a video of what that "educated" liberal cow actually said, (with her own mouth) and according to the Liberal doctrine, it is Beck and limbaughs' fault!

Alinksy's Rules for Radicals.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 8:53:19 AM

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If we are a society then what happens to one effects all. Rules for Radicals is a very good book, I read it in College.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 9:27:52 AM

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Not surprising that the short-sighted vehement posts are the ones that can never back up their "facts".
Coinky dink....me thinks not

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 12:54:10 PM

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I'm so glad this thread exists. It will be valuable evidence the next time certain right wingers claim to not follow Beck and Limbaugh as they are the ones who are pushing this crap.

It is perfectly possible, and I suspect not even that uncommon, for people to have similar views on a subject for completely different reasons. So why would you assume that they must be parroting someone else? Is that the only way you know?

Sure. That's why Yachtie linked the even more insane than Beck and Limbaugh Alex Jones in the op.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 1:00:05 PM

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Funny how free will is in the book, but not in the ten commandments.

Thou Shalt Not Steal is but one aspect of the free will to do either, steal or not steal. The 10 Commandments but pointing to the preferred one.

Really MrBukani, I'd always thought you to have more brain power than demonstrated there.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 1:02:58 PM

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I'm so glad this thread exists. It will be valuable evidence the next time certain right wingers claim to not follow Beck and Limbaugh as they are the ones who are pushing this crap.

It is perfectly possible, and I suspect not even that uncommon, for people to have similar views on a subject for completely different reasons. So why would you assume that they must be parroting someone else? Is that the only way you know?

Sure. That's why Yachtie linked the even more insane than Beck and Limbaugh Alex Jones in the op.

Even Jones had the Vid. Why is it always the messenger with you leftists? Perhaps because the liberal / leftist message you can't take on? Are you embarrassed?

No wonder Alinsky had to write Rules for Radicals.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 1:14:41 PM

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I'm so glad this thread exists. It will be valuable evidence the next time certain right wingers claim to not follow Beck and Limbaugh as they are the ones who are pushing this crap.

It is perfectly possible, and I suspect not even that uncommon, for people to have similar views on a subject for completely different reasons. So why would you assume that they must be parroting someone else? Is that the only way you know?

Sure. That's why Yachtie linked the even more insane than Beck and Limbaugh Alex Jones in the op.

Even Jones had the Vid. Why is it always the messenger with you leftists? Perhaps because the liberal / leftist message you can't take on? Are you embarrassed?

No wonder Alinsky had to write Rules for Radicals.

Jones, Beck, Limbaugh and the various reactionaries on this thread are intentionally misinterpreting her words. What she is clearly saying is that we have to stop treating children as the property and sole responsibility of their parents and take responsibility for them as a community.

Now stop with the stupid played out Alinsky nonsense and deal with the right wings inability to understandplain english.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 1:21:08 PM

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I'm so glad this thread exists. It will be valuable evidence the next time certain right wingers claim to not follow Beck and Limbaugh as they are the ones who are pushing this crap.

It is perfectly possible, and I suspect not even that uncommon, for people to have similar views on a subject for completely different reasons. So why would you assume that they must be parroting someone else? Is that the only way you know?

Sure. That's why Yachtie linked the even more insane than Beck and Limbaugh Alex Jones in the op.

Even Jones had the Vid. Why is it always the messenger with you leftists? Perhaps because the liberal / leftist message you can't take on? Are you embarrassed?

No wonder Alinsky had to write Rules for Radicals.

Jones, Beck, Limbaugh and the various reactionaries on this thread are intentionally misinterpreting her words. What she is clearly saying is that we have to stop treating children as the property and sole responsibility of their parents and take responsibility for them as a community.

Now stop with the stupid played out Alinsky nonsense and deal with the right wings inability to understandplain english.

From the OP,

“We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families,” says the professor of political science at Tulane University, where she is founding director of the Anna Julia Cooper Project on Gender, Race, and Politics in the South.

Ok, who do they belong to? Who does a five year old belong to? Surely not their parents!

(I await the convoluted nonsense of the Liberal)

Shall we discuss understanding English?

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 1:43:51 PM

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Jones, Beck, Limbaugh and the various reactionaries on this thread are intentionally misinterpreting her words. What she is clearly saying is that we have to stop treating children as the property and sole responsibility of their parents and take responsibility for them as a community.

This is so obvious and irrefutable, Ken, you ought not to even diginify the right wing prattle with a response.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 2:14:32 PM

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If an enemy of our nation wanted to do us real harm....one way would be to dumb down our worker force,make it harder and more expencive to get an education and attack our educational system and personally attack our teachers.

Gop....gop...and gop.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 2:59:23 PM

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Jones, Beck, Limbaugh and the various reactionaries on this thread are intentionally misinterpreting her words. What she is clearly saying is that we have to stop treating children as the property and sole responsibility of their parents and take responsibility for them as a community.

This is so obvious and irrefutable, Ken, you ought not to even diginify the right wing prattle with a response.

I'd like to think that, but it doesn't fit. She could easily have made the point that you are suggesting she intended without the political rhetoric. And frankly, if she really believed what you claim, instead of what she actually said, there are few communities anywhere more in need of hearing it than the deeply racist, violent, and self-destructive communities in our inner cities.

But that's not her bag. Instead, Melissa Harris-Perry prefers to address audiences like the one at the Campain for America's Future, promoting her theme of Racist America.

Post 911, she says, a new version of what America typically needs emerged, and that is a racial enemy. Americans in part identify who we are, and who deserves what, through our notions of whiteness, and of the racial enemies who are the non-whites. ~YouTube

Presumably part of the problem she sees with our educational system today, despite the amount of money we invest, is that American children aren't learning this.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 3:31:52 PM

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From the OP,

“We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families,” says the professor of political science at Tulane University, where she is founding director of the Anna Julia Cooper Project on Gender, Race, and Politics in the South.

Ok, who do they belong to? Who does a five year old belong to? Surely not their parents!

(I await the convoluted nonsense of the Liberal)

Shall we discuss understanding English?

People do not belong to anyone, they are not property.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 3:34:45 PM

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Jones, Beck, Limbaugh and the various reactionaries on this thread are intentionally misinterpreting her words. What she is clearly saying is that we have to stop treating children as the property and sole responsibility of their parents and take responsibility for them as a community.

This is so obvious and irrefutable, Ken, you ought not to even diginify the right wing prattle with a response.

I'd like to think that, but it doesn't fit. She could easily have made the point that you are suggesting she intended without the political rhetoric. And frankly, if she really believed what you claim, instead of what she actually said, there are few communities anywhere more in need of hearing it than the deeply racist, violent, and self-destructive communities in our inner cities.

But that's not her bag. Instead, Melissa Harris-Perry prefers to address audiences like the one at the Campain for America's Future, promoting her theme of Racist America.

Post 911, she says, a new version of what America typically needs emerged, and that is a racial enemy. Americans in part identify who we are, and who deserves what, through our notions of whiteness, and of the racial enemies who are the non-whites. ~YouTube

Presumably part of the problem she sees with our educational system today, despite the amount of money we invest, is that American children aren't learning this.

K.

Are you saying that isn't what happened? How many brown people have been languishing in gitmo for no reason at all for more almost 10 years? What about all the freaking out about muslims? How many republicans have called for laws banning sharia in the US, like somehow the 1st amendment doesn't exist anymore?

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 4:28:17 PM

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It ceases to amaze me how so many people talk out of ignorance without a clue...

Yes the government claims that they own your children... and they do because YOU gave them to the government without knowing it...
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3467 read this link as it is a short explanation with those that have short attention spans...

For example: @DomKen, you complain about the republicans and Gitmo, yet you forget the promise Obama said that he would shut it down.. now he wants to build it up more.

Another example: You are indeed a slave to the state and the Federal corporation... if you did any research you would know that... Do you even know what the UCC or the USC is? Are you aware that in 1913 a central bank was created? Then in 1933 the financial system was intentionally broken to create a crisis to allow Prez Franklin Roosevelt to bind or bond all labor, goods, property and production oft he American people as collateral to the Banking system (Federal Reserve which is a privately owned bank). You were rolled over from being a Free person into being a 14th amendment corporate property. In 1921 the Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act was passed requiring all registration of all births... look up in an actual law dictionary the meaning of citizen, person, certificate (as in birth certificate). The mother signs the baby over to the government by signing the birth papers whereas a certificate is issued. At the age of 18, a contract is entered into that takes effect which is the social security contract... ever bother to read it? Yes, you have been lied to... It is a contract whereas you give jurisdiction of your life over to the corporate government.

Why do I say corporate government? because what we think is the federal government is not the Organic Republic Constitutional Government, that is why we have had 6 presidents that have not been US born, that is why executive orders are being used as if they were law. The whole system is working on what is known as Colour of Law... Look that up in a legal dictionary as well. If you want proof the So called Federal Government is incorporated in Deleware... Each state created before 1864 (roughly) actually has 2 different constitutions (for example Washington state has 2 constitutions the first is the organic republic constitution and the second which was not voted upon is a democratic corporate constitution that limits the rights of the people placing the corporation as the primary...) Since when does a corporation have rights greater than a freeborn sovereign? That is like saying that you have a higher standing than God who created you... (using that as an example)... there are plenty of supreme court cases that supports this if you spend the time to study rather than just be a blithering idiot spouting out your government education dribble...

http://sovereignproject.com is one good source to get educated... but it is only a start. If you are to lazy to do any research then forget what I say and go back to eating your favorite GMO food and being a good corporate 14th amendment slave...

BTW, the 14th amendment was never ratified... plenty of proof and court cases behind that as well. I even bet you still think the civil war or the WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION was all about slavery... again, your ignorance is showing through. You are well programmed by the government educational system.

Did you know that a marriage license is nothing more than a contract with the government with the government being the primary and superior party that you give jurisdiction of the fruit of that union to the government? Ask a judge... that was how I found out. You are indeed property of the government, and every time you sign a 1040 you are attesting that you are, every time you renew your drivers license your sign over your rights to them... I put in a FOIA asking for any information stating that a sovereign without any contract with a specific state that I am required to sign a license contract or give my car to them to return a certificate to me... the answer was that they had nothing..., no law, no forced contract, nothing... no jurisdiction to force me to make a contract with them.

The same is what happens with a child... when the mother signs the birth papers and gets a Corporate ID number called a ss number, she literally gives the child to the government. Why do you think social services has the jurisdiction to take away a child at their whim? What gives them the right? They have the right because you gave it to them... HELLO PEOPLE do your research!!!

Don't take my word for it, get off you ass and off these forums and find out for yourself ... Go the library and read some books and get off of facebook and all that brain destroying crap... use your brain for thinking for a change! BTW, Republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin... just a ploy to keep idiots fighting about useless unimportant issues while they rap and pillage the American people.

So the bottom line is that they were indeed telling you the truth... THEY DO OWN THE KINS AND THEY OWN YOU AS WELL...

http://www.mainemediaresources.com/mpl_birthcert.htm Decent explanation of the birth certificate and registration
http://criminalbankingmonopoly.wordpress.com/category/federal-reserve-act-1913/ Good explanation of the 1913 federal reserve act

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 6:01:19 PM

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Are you saying that isn't what happened? How many brown people have been languishing in gitmo for no reason at all for more almost 10 years? What about all the freaking out about muslims? How many republicans have called for laws banning sharia in the US, like somehow the 1st amendment doesn't exist anymore?

None of your claims have any connection with reality. The prisoners at Gitmo did not end up there because they're not white, and Radical Islam is not race.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 8:24:59 PM

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Are you saying that isn't what happened? How many brown people have been languishing in gitmo for no reason at all for more almost 10 years? What about all the freaking out about muslims? How many republicans have called for laws banning sharia in the US, like somehow the 1st amendment doesn't exist anymore?

None of your claims have any connection with reality. The prisoners at Gitmo did not end up there because they're not white, and Radical Islam is not race.

Sure...

One crazy in a cave attacks us and we lock up thousands of legal US residents an citizens all because they happen to look likehim and/or worship the same deity. This was exactly as shamefully racist as what we did to the Japanese in the 40's.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 8:29:38 PM

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I'm so glad this thread exists. It will be valuable evidence the next time certain right wingers claim to not follow Beck and Limbaugh as they are the ones who are pushing this crap.

Yep.. I have had read several parenting books over the years. The worst that were no more then manuals for child abuse were religious ones. Michael Pears writes garbage that suggests parents use a wooden stick to start beating infants at 4 months old and to keep beating them until their screams are only whimpers. I know his books have caused several deaths of children of devout christian families yet they still buy his shit. I threw the book away in disgust after the first chapter

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 8:56:15 PM

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Yep.. I have had read several parenting books over the years. The worst that were no more then manuals for child abuse were religious ones.

I haven't read any of the religious ones, but I can tell you that some of the ones written by Psychologists, and particularly by Behavioral Psychologists, aren't any better.

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