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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/10/2013 9:04:36 PM

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One crazy in a cave attacks us and we lock up thousands of legal US residents an citizens all because they happen to look likehim and/or worship the same deity. This was exactly as shamefully racist as...

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 2:41:52 AM

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To the OP:

What is your point? That you are as clueless about the history of compulsory education as you are about economics, and just as proud of one ignorance as the other?

The Prussian Model was eagerly instituted in all the industrializing countries of the time, especially Britain, soon thereon advocated and successfully promoted by Horace Mann in Massachusetts and then the other NE states.

Frederick William and Frederick the Great made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that the goal of compulsory education was to remove as much influence of parents on their own children as possible, the state now taking that role upon themselves for their own purpose.

This aspect of it is what specifically attracted many British Industrial Era policy makers and Horace Mann in the US to that model.

There is not a single implementation of compulsory education in the world I am aware of that is not based upon this concept.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 3:47:54 AM

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The Prussian Model was eagerly instituted in all the industrializing countries of the time, especially Britain, soon thereon advocated and successfully promoted by Horace Mann in Massachusetts and then the other NE states.

Most kids were more valuable out working to support the family. The first compulsory schooling was in 1880 and only for under tens. Most of what had gone before were Church schools or Sunday Schools. The original Grammar Schools, set up in Tudor times were initially free but became fee paying.

The Prussian Model was championed by William Gladstone. He of low taxes and limited government. One reason for compulsory education was to educate the voter.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 6:45:38 AM

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I would like a headcount.

Anyone believe BOTH that this is "Crazy Liberal Insanity" **AND** that Birth Control and Abortion need to be regulated?

Because they're predicated on the same thing. A "State's Interest" in the produce of a woman's womb. And if you assert that there's a state's interest while the produce is IN THE WOMB, how can you assert there isn't once the produce reaches school age?

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 7:10:35 AM

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The tin foil hatters see evil lurking everywhere......

And because of that,they protect us from the evil ,evil.....

LOL, I know! "Oh no, some professor had a weird idea! It must be an evil liberal conspiracy!" What?

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 7:24:08 AM

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The tin foil hatters see evil lurking everywhere......

And because of that,they protect us from the evil ,evil.....

Jesus,beck could make Jesus sound like a socialist......oh that`s right....Jesus WAS a socialist...

socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

I think Jesus was more about charity than socialism, but I'm glad to see you're trying to protect us from that.

Nice hat, by the way.

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"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 2:32-35

The Apostle James also struck a couple dead who didn't sell all their possessions and give everything to be distributed equally among the early Christian ~~socialist collective~~ Church.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 7:30:00 AM

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The tin foil hatters see evil lurking everywhere......
And because of that,they protect us from the evil ,evil.....
Jesus,beck could make Jesus sound like a socialist......oh that`s right....Jesus WAS a socialist...

socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
I think Jesus was more about charity than socialism, but I'm glad to see you're trying to protect us from that.
Nice hat, by the way.
K.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 2:32-35
The Apostle James also struck a couple dead who didn't sell all their possessions and give everything to be distributed equally among the early Christian ~~socialist collective~~ Church.

Government Distribution <> Charity

Huge Difference.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 7:44:55 AM

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The tin foil hatters see evil lurking everywhere......
And because of that,they protect us from the evil ,evil.....
Jesus,beck could make Jesus sound like a socialist......oh that`s right....Jesus WAS a socialist...

socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
I think Jesus was more about charity than socialism, but I'm glad to see you're trying to protect us from that.
Nice hat, by the way.
K.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 2:32-35
The Apostle James also struck a couple dead who didn't sell all their possessions and give everything to be distributed equally among the early Christian socialist collective Church.

Government Distribution <> Charity

Huge Difference.

Read it again, the early church functioned as a commune where all property was held as a community. That's not just socialism that is straight up communism.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 7:46:03 AM

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One crazy in a cave attacks us and we lock up thousands of legal US residents an citizens all because they happen to look likehim and/or worship the same deity. This was exactly as shamefully racist as...

K.

Good to see you give up and acknowledge the racism inherent in the Bush post 9/11 reaction.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 7:56:12 AM

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Depending on the State the taxpayers with or without children will pay on the average about $11, 665.00 per student per year. Add to that cost of various other programs for children that is a lot. So I would say that society through the taxpayers do have an interests in other people children.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:02:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
The tin foil hatters see evil lurking everywhere......
And because of that,they protect us from the evil ,evil.....
Jesus,beck could make Jesus sound like a socialist......oh that`s right....Jesus WAS a socialist...

socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
I think Jesus was more about charity than socialism, but I'm glad to see you're trying to protect us from that.
Nice hat, by the way.
K.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 2:32-35
The Apostle James also struck a couple dead who didn't sell all their possessions and give everything to be distributed equally among the early Christian socialist collective Church.

Government Distribution <> Charity
Huge Difference.

Read it again, the early church functioned as a commune where all property was held as a community. That's not just socialism that is straight up communism.

Function and Method are different, too. A 1960's "hippy" commune was quite a bit different from the Communism of the USSR, no? One was chosen, while the other was forced. And, therein lies the difference between charity and government redistribution.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:27:14 AM

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If an enemy of our nation wanted to do us real harm....one way would be to dumb down our worker force,make it harder and more expencive to get an education and attack our educational system and personally attack our teachers.

Gop....gop...and gop.

Not GOP. They would follow the plan by Karl Marx, outlined in his book, The communist Manifesto. You know, like Obama IS doing, word for word, page by page.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:30:24 AM

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you really dont have a fucking clue do you.....amazing how having a gun is a god given(not a government one) right, but educating children is a want, not a need..or a right

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:35:00 AM

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And, therein lies the difference between charity and government redistribution.

And since the government has redistibuted our wealth to the corporations, it is time to swing the pendulum back and redistribute back to its owners.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:39:13 AM

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And, therein lies the difference between charity and government redistribution.

And since the government has redistibuted our wealth to the corporations, it is time to swing the pendulum back and redistribute back to its owners.

Completely agree, Ron. But, you do realize, that means cutting taxes, right?

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:42:54 AM

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Not GOP. They would follow the plan by Karl Marx, outlined in his book, The communist Manifesto. You know, like Obama IS doing, word for word, page by page.

Really.
So what is the Kenyan up to that he's taken from the Communist Manifesto, then?
Give specific examples.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:43:54 AM

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Absolutely not. It means heftily raising taxes and outlawing welfare for corporations and their minions.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:45:40 AM

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A punitive import duty on American companies who manufacture stuff outside of the country wouldn't hurt either, come to that.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:46:58 AM

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Spoken like a true Adam Smith man.

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RE: All Your Kids Belong To Us. - 4/11/2013 8:48:50 AM

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A few of these libertarian monetarists should take the time to read The Wealth Of Nations.

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