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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 5:28:39 AM   
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I recall reading about someone who was proficient at laying the Tarot. Discussing the Tarot with another person, that person claimed that it would make no difference whatsoever if he attributed the opposite meaning to each card. The proficient layer tried it out and concluded that the claim was true.

It is just a bunch of cards with no meaning whatsoever. The meaning is in the person opposite you that you are communicating with by means of the Tarot.


Hi Rule, You make an interesting point. If the reader completely reversed the meaning of all the cards, but remained consistent with those meanings within the reading, I don't see why it shouldn't work! Have I just said something heretical ?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 5:34:09 AM   
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Gary, do you have the site where I can go to purchase the Lovecraft cards? I enjoy the man's writing and a few of us Cthulhu "followers" would not mind having a deck pertaining to the mythos.



I actually bought mine in a shop in London but I'll find out for you .

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 5:47:07 AM   
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Hi ShaharThorne,

You can get 'Secrets Of The Necronomicon' Tarot set for £15.50/$25? From Abebooks.co.uk, Although they import them from Timeless Books in Sedona Az (Arizona?) USA. It might be marginally cheaper to buy direct from there.

Best wishes, Gary.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 8:33:48 AM   
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I got a question that I needed guidance on and I usually use the cards to point me in the right direction.


I am no expert but it could be that if the cards are "hiding" that you are not supposed to ask them for advice in this particular case, often things that happen with Tarot cards happen for a reason.

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Gary, do you have the site where I can go to purchase the Lovecraft cards? I enjoy the man's writing and a few of us Cthulhu "followers" would not mind having a deck pertaining to the mythos.


I am not Gary I think but please let me be of assistance anyway. You can get the Lovecraft deck from here:

http://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738710860

And from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Deck-Necronomicon-Tarot-deck/dp/B006MB7QZI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372260781&sr=8-2&keywords=necronomicon+tarot

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 8:36:28 AM   
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Hi Rule, You make an interesting point. If the reader completely reversed the meaning of all the cards, but remained consistent with those meanings within the reading, I don't see why it shouldn't work! Have I just said something heretical ?


No I think that sounds rather sensible.

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Yes Nephandi, I thought you might . I'm going to check out your new review.


Thank you. Please let me know what you think about it. :D

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Ps. Slightly off topic, what do you think of M.R James? He's one of ours, a Brit, but, quietly creepy!


I am not very familiar with this person sorry.

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 11:22:15 AM   
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Thanks for this thread, it has rekindled an old interest.

I just ordered, the Shadowscape deck and am looking forward to dip my toes in once more.

Of topic, but I hope the OP will not mind: Nephandi, it is great to see you posting again, you were missed.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 11:27:12 AM   
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Tarot is always fun, my dad reads tarot to me and my mother once in awhile and he is never wrong....he says that's only the cards talking, but i know he's sensitive enough to know what to say and what to shush forever, for the sake of the person in front of him. And even if he reads cards to someone he never met before, he's right and the person is completely baffled. I'm a logic and reasonable person most of the time, but this is one of the exceptions that makes me pause and doubts about the energy and what not of this world. Kind of like believing in ghosts for the thrills of it. Always fun : )

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 1:25:02 PM   
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Greetings

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I just ordered, the Shadowscape deck and am looking forward to dip my toes in once more.


This is a gorgeous deck, it is a good choice.

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Of topic, but I hope the OP will not mind: Nephandi, it is great to see you posting again, you were missed.


Thank you for your kind words. :D

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 1:28:57 PM   
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Tarot is always fun, my dad reads tarot to me and my mother once in awhile and he is never wrong....he says that's only the cards talking, but i know he's sensitive enough to know what to say and what to shush forever, for the sake of the person in front of him. And even if he reads cards to someone he never met before, he's right and the person is completely baffled. I'm a logic and reasonable person most of the time, but this is one of the exceptions that makes me pause and doubts about the energy and what not of this world. Kind of like believing in ghosts for the thrills of it. Always fun : )


Tarot cards themselves are just pretty pictures on cardboard, it is the cartomancer him or herself that do the divination and his or her sensitivity that make the readings work. Knowing what to say and what not to say in a reading in an art into itself, and also how to put bad news and negative things one have to say in a polite way that hurt a person's feelings as little as possible but where on at the same time is truthful. Your father sounds like he is a skilled cartomancer which is cool. :D

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/26/2013 1:37:30 PM   
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yeah, i wish he could believe that himself :)

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/27/2013 4:52:54 AM   
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I have to wait for a while for any new cards. Promised Mom that I refrain from purchasing anything since we need the funds for a new fridge.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/27/2013 10:33:55 AM   
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All good things are worth waiting for, the Necronomicon cards have been around for a while, they'll be around for a while yet .

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/27/2013 11:33:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

Thanks for this thread, it has rekindled an old interest.

I just ordered, the Shadowscape deck and am looking forward to dip my toes in once more.

Of topic, but I hope the OP will not mind: Nephandi, it is great to see you posting again, you were missed.


Nothing said in good will on this forum is 'off topic' .

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 7/3/2013 3:38:19 AM   
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Greetings

It seams that this thread have slowed down. Let us get it more active people. Come on all you kinky cartomancers we surly have something to talk about.

I have gotten two new decks. The Decameron Tarot (2002 edition) and Natsume Yuujinchou Tarot.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380654571682?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121132488026?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I wish you all well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 7/3/2013 9:13:13 AM   
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Ok, I'll bite
You seem to use lots of decks. Do the meanings of the cards, or the interpretations you give them, change from deck to deck?
I am still learning the cards so still using books, and grappling with the different authors' differing meanings for the same cards. I find they also change when they are writing about different decks.

And thanks to Gary for advising me not to get rid of all my tarot books just because I don't understand all of them now. You saved me in the nick of time!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 7/3/2013 12:22:52 PM   
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My internet bill was just over $100!!! See what happens when you upgrade a service...

Mom is royally pissed but I paid the bill. I know it will be lower next month when I pay it.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 7/3/2013 3:14:16 PM   
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You seem to use lots of decks. Do the meanings of the cards, or the interpretations you give them, change from deck to deck?


First of all I generally do not use all the decks I buy, allot of them I buy for the artwork and to see the various cards in different interpretations. I often test them out but generally I only use perhaps half a dozen decks and the rest I just collect, though I do like to mix it up at times and use a deck I do not normally use. Secondly yes for me the cards will have different meanings depending on how it is drawn and what images and symbols are present, especially since I do allot of intuitive reading. I think there is a base archetype that is the same over all cards of the same type, but the details change from deck to deck.

For example The Sun is one of the most positive cards in the Tarot deck, and in most decks it is a pleasant card that show light and often happy children, however in one of my decks Vampire Tarot The Sun show an unfortunate bloodsucker who is withering in agony as the sun burns him, that card have allot darker meaning than The Sun usually do in my opinion, though it have the same core meaning as all The Sun cards, allot of the meaning is changed with the grim imagery.

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I am still learning the cards so still using books, and grappling with the different authors' differing meanings for the same cards. I find they also change when they are writing about different decks.


Different Tarot Readers seethe cards in different light, there are some common themes but generally how each card is to be read is very individual. What I recommend is that you get a notebook and as you work with each card make note of what interpretation which seams to make the most sense for you, that way you will eventually have your own understanding of the cards, just copy in what authors you agree with have written, write up your own experiences and create your own way to view the Tarot.

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 7/3/2013 4:26:16 PM   
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So I think your interpretations of the cards are very much guided by the art on the card, rather than by "textbook" meanings.
How do you decide the function of each place in a spread? So far I've only used the Celtic cross spread, and (damned books again) the various card places are described differently by different authors. As an example, card #5 is said in a few of my books to represent possible outcome, best outcome, surface appearance of situation, or outcome that could have happened but will not.

I could keep the log and see how things turn out, but if I want "answers" now?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 7/4/2013 1:46:58 AM   
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So I think your interpretations of the cards are very much guided by the art on the card, rather than by "textbook" meanings.


I think it is a combination of the two. I think that the cards have some archetypical meanings that stay the same, but that the art on the card is very important and I also think that with a good deck you do not really need a book, you can look at a card and see the meaning in it. Books are helpful but you can read Tarot cards intuitively as well, just by looking at the art and symbols on the cards.

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How do you decide the function of each place in a spread? So far I've only used the Celtic cross spread, and (damned books again) the various card places are described differently by different authors. As an example, card #5 is said in a few of my books to represent possible outcome, best outcome, surface appearance of situation, or outcome that could have happened but will not.


When I create spreads I generally have some symbolic or practical reason for what each position mean, but generally the important part is that the reader decide for him or her self what each card placement means, the spreads are not set in stone, they are just a tool to make it easier to use the cards so just pick the explanation of a spread that makes the most sense to you and stick with it for as long as you feel it is useful to you.

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I could keep the log and see how things turn out, but if I want "answers" now?


Well learning the Tarot takes allot of time and effort, however if you want a quick fix then just pick one book and stick with that, one explanation is generally not better than another so just pick one author and stick with their opinion.

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 7/4/2013 6:19:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

It seams that this thread have slowed down. Let us get it more active people. Come on all you kinky cartomancers we surly have something to talk about.

I have gotten two new decks. The Decameron Tarot (2002 edition) and Natsume Yuujinchou Tarot.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380654571682?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121132488026?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I wish you all well

Kinky cartomancer, I really like that, I might change my profile name !

Big Squeezer's back on the scene & working on some Tarot articles, so don't despair everyone!

Though there are many decks available, most follow the Rider Waite definitions to a greater or lesser extent, individual readers & authors may tweak the definitions a bit, but in general they remain faithful.

There are many different themed Tarot decks out there, & although the card definitions are similar, it's very important to choose a theme you feel comfortable with, because if you can't tune into the deck, they're going to be worse than useless.

As the starter, I'm really glad to see the forum back . Gary.

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