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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/17/2013 5:24:56 PM

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Whilst I respect your opinion, & your right to hold it, this forum is essentially for those who have a love, or interest in the Tarot at whatever level. As you seem to think the Tarot is some form of parlour trick, perhaps your time would be better employed pursuing other discussion boards.

Does it not say "Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome!"??
If that is the case, then you can, and should, respect every opinion of it whether good, bad, or indifferent.

If you only want good and positive followers, perhaps you should change the thread title?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/17/2013 11:40:33 PM

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Fellow readers, can you help me out here?

I did a 5-card yes/no reading about a long-time (15 years) friend of mine. He used to be an avid traveler, contra dancer, music and event lover, very adventurous, outgoing, social and loyal to his friends/extended family. Though we dated at one time, we haven't been involved that way for more than ten years. Up 'til now we've enjoyed an amicable friendship.

A little over a year ago he started dating someone who seems very insecure and intent on restricting his life (not a d/s thing, btw). Our circle met her, welcomed her in, then watched him instantly drop out of everything. The other day I texted an innocuous language question (he speaks arabic) and the girlfriend used his phone to reply that she's 'old fashioned' and not comfortable with my continuing to be friends with him, and 'they' wish me the best, signed x AND y, etc. I don't buy anything about 'them' unless I hear it from him but she appears to be controlling his communication and is likely monitoring his email and phone, deciding on her own what to send and what to delete.

So I asked the cards if he is aware she is deliberately alienating his friends and is willingly going along with it. Here's what I got in a straight line from left to right:

10 Pentacles (up) 4 Pentacles (up) 9 Rods (reversed) 4 Swords (up) Page Cups (up)

I have my interpretation of this, but if anyone would like to take a stab at it I'd love your input since I am having a hard time being objective.

Huge thanks if you can!

IF those cards were dealt to me I see these several things.
-(Ten of Pentacles) They have a household that's working for him; meaning he's getting what he thinks he wants and so is she. They have plans for estate and they seem to be real.
-(Four of Pentacles; Nine of Rods reversed; 4 of swords) Miserly guardianship of what is hers - paranoid reactions to unreal threats, He is waiting a period and tolerating this.
-(Page of cups) The wedding plans will be announced soon, he is solid with this plan

You are worried his life has been captured and he is being held from his people. What if it's a bondage he wants? What if he tolerates and even grows to enjoy this? He has made a choice and knows he's being blocked. I'm so sorry to say this unpopular word, I think they are fine with this.

I will add my Two cards drawn to this examination

"What is he likes this - will he keep it?" Prince of swords - (sub-elemental air of air) It's a fine IDEA for him - but when the rubber meets the road? Two of Pentacles reversed. He will tolerate MUCH and shove it into his schedule, until he can not.

This does not actually endorse a future course of action so i read further. (I am using the TREE OF LIFE TAROT - a very clinical view of situations.) Three card spread as an action recommendation and result.

Two of Swords - Moon in Libra - peace restored
Five of Pentacles - Mercuy in Taurus - Worry
Two of Cups - Venus in Cancer - Love

There will be a time when you see each other and able to talk and restore peace; there will be times of worry, but he will be in a space where he loves and is loved.

Your friend is safe
Your pride is insulted and his memory tread on by her
but in the end if your wish is for his happiness, do nothing, even though in your heart there is pain.

Good luck

Daniel

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/17/2013 11:53:51 PM

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I didn't get a chance to do a reading. But new books from my Amazon cart filled with books from this thread have arrived and I'm really looking forward to them!

I've flicked through these pages, & that's a lot of books

, we won't be hearing from you in a while!

Happy reading, Gary.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 2:48:13 AM

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Hi nephandi,

Yes, I really think your analogy holds true, if you receive an answer from the Tarot, accept it, unless you need to expand on it.

Welcome to the Tarot forum, Gary.

Thank you for the welcome. Yeah I think that in many ways are the most difficult part of reading the Tarot, not trying to influence the answer to get what you want. I mean it is not that hard to not do so consciously, but subconsciously it hard to not let desire influence you.

So what is the latest deck you guys got. Mine is the first edition Mage the Ascension Tarot. I am both a Tarot reader and a huge fan of this RPG game so it is perfect for me. I am planning on doing a review of it on my Youtube page soon.

I wish you all well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 2:55:53 AM

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Does it not say "Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome!"??
If that is the case, then you can, and should, respect every opinion of it whether good, bad, or indifferent.

If you only want good and positive followers, perhaps you should change the thread title?

No one have said that you are not welcome, all that have been said is that if you do not believe in the Tarot and think it is harmful if taken as anything more than a party game and that you hope to never learn anything to change your mind, what are you then doing in a thread about Tarot reading? It is like if you hate cheese, are vegan and think cheese is a terrible thing, why are you in a delicateness shop for fine cheese? No one have asked you to leave the thread, however I must say I to is curious as to why you would spend allot of time discussing what you are not interested in, do not like and in fact think is harmful, it then not bad hospitality to suggest that another thread might be more fun for you, off course if you want to keep discussing this interest that you think is harmful I am sure no one will try to stop you.

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 7:38:13 AM

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Hi Nephandi.

Yes I think it's great that the makers can combine two different medias. I had a lovely 'Lord Of The Rings' deck. long before the peter Jackson trilogy. I'll google 'The Mage' apparently it's quite a rare deck.

You're right it's very hard to read the cards for yourself objectively, but, it can be done, it just needs lots practise

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 7:39:58 AM

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Whilst I respect your opinion, & your right to hold it, this forum is essentially for those who have a love, or interest in the Tarot at whatever level. As you seem to think the Tarot is some form of parlour trick, perhaps your time would be better employed pursuing other discussion boards.

Does it not say "Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome!"??
If that is the case, then you can, and should, respect every opinion of it whether good, bad, or indifferent.

If you only want good and positive followers, perhaps you should change the thread title?

You're quite right, okey dokey

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 7:41:35 AM

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Greetings

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Does it not say "Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome!"??
If that is the case, then you can, and should, respect every opinion of it whether good, bad, or indifferent.

If you only want good and positive followers, perhaps you should change the thread title?

No one have said that you are not welcome, all that have been said is that if you do not believe in the Tarot and think it is harmful if taken as anything more than a party game and that you hope to never learn anything to change your mind, what are you then doing in a thread about Tarot reading? It is like if you hate cheese, are vegan and think cheese is a terrible thing, why are you in a delicateness shop for fine cheese? No one have asked you to leave the thread, however I must say I to is curious as to why you would spend allot of time discussing what you are not interested in, do not like and in fact think is harmful, it then not bad hospitality to suggest that another thread might be more fun for you, off course if you want to keep discussing this interest that you think is harmful I am sure no one will try to stop you.

I wish you well

!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 7:50:31 AM

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Hi Nephandi.

Yes I think it's great that the makers can combine two different medias. I had a lovely 'Lord Of The Rings' deck. long before the peter Jackson trilogy. I'll google 'The Mage' apparently it's quite a rare deck.

You're right it's very hard to read the cards for yourself objectively, but, it can be done, it just needs lots practise [:)].

I've been reading for about 25 years now, and I still struggle with this issue. On the one hand, its essential to include your own intuition and insights into the reading, but by the very fact that you're doing that, you're not using the objective side of your brain.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 7:59:13 AM

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Hi Nephandi.

Yes I think it's great that the makers can combine two different medias. I had a lovely 'Lord Of The Rings' deck. long before the peter Jackson trilogy. I'll google 'The Mage' apparently it's quite a rare deck.

You're right it's very hard to read the cards for yourself objectively, but, it can be done, it just needs lots practise [:)].

I've been reading for about 25 years now, and I still struggle with this issue. On the one hand, its essential to include your own intuition and insights into the reading, but by the very fact that you're doing that, you're not using the objective side of your brain.

Thereby hangs the paradox, but, you're right, we will never be free of subjectivity, all we can do is keep it in check.

Could our subjectivity really be our life experiences bought in to enhance the reading?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 8:08:40 AM

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This is why a forum like this is so helpful.

Once you've been reading for a few years, you get a sense of yourself as a reader. I, for example, am highly intuitive and insightful. Though these are good traits to bring to the tarot I know I err on the side of being too subjective. So I guard against that as best I can.

Another may know they are too objective, and work against that.

In the end, reading the tarot is an art, not a science. You have to bring your subjective self into it to do a good reading.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 8:19:28 AM

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Yes, subjectivity is not a bad thing in moderation, (not a word you see often on CM

). It can be overdone, working out an equilibrium can be difficult, but, as you say it's an art rather than a science, & as an artist mixes his paints, we have to blend our objectivity & subjectivity, to achieve the correct colours in our readings.

I am one for analogies, aren't I?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 10:27:37 AM

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Yes, subjectivity is not a bad thing in moderation, (not a word you see often on CM). It can be overdone, working out an equilibrium can be difficult, but, as you say it's an art rather than a science, & as an artist mixes his paints, we have to blend our objectivity & subjectivity, to achieve the correct colours in our readings.

I am one for analogies, aren't I? .

The wrinkle I would add to all of this is the quantum physics principle that says the very act of observing a phenomenon alters it. So every time we look at a situation with the cards, we thereby change or affect that situation.
I don't think this is bad or good, but I remember it when I lay the cards to look into something.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 10:40:44 AM

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Whilst I respect your opinion, & your right to hold it, this forum is essentially for those who have a love, or interest in the Tarot at whatever level. As you seem to think the Tarot is some form of parlour trick, perhaps your time would be better employed pursuing other discussion boards.

Does it not say "Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome!"??
If that is the case, then you can, and should, respect every opinion of it whether good, bad, or indifferent.

If you only want good and positive followers, perhaps you should change the thread title?

When I open a thread and see people discussing and enjoying something that I think poorly of, such as hunting, I get off the thread. I don't feel the need to inform the participants how crappy I think their chosen pursuit is. I don't piss on their enjoyment of their discussion with their fellows, or cast a shadow over their obvious fun. Perhaps I have more to do with my time, or perhaps I am not petty.

Gary and Daniel: you guys are pretty new to the forums, so you may not have noticed the "hide" button yet. At the bottom of the box containing any post, at the far left corner, is a tiny hide button. If you click on it, all of that poster's posts disappear from your view unless you click on it again to unhide them. This is a wonderful little button. You can change the atmosphere of the forums, and in my experience with it, you miss out on nothing

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 11:20:53 AM

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IF those cards were dealt to me I see these several things.

Thank you, Bigsqueezer! I appreciate the effort and extra-card insight. I came to many of the same conclusions you did. You would be the person I'd consult in a serious matter since I don't generally read for myself on anything of significant importance.

Ladies and gentlemen, doubters and believers, I can say with confidence Bigsqueezer's reading is the genuine article. Thanks again, BigS!!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 11:26:31 AM

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I have just 'hidden' FreedomDwarf', just to re iterate the Tarot forum is for everybody who has an interest in & love for the Tarot & anything that is metaphysically related. Whether you know a little or you know a lot, everyone's welcome.

I hate the idea of 'hiding' people, but if they're intent on derailing the thread & spoiling it for everybody else, they have to go.

I'm sounding like a school teacher. Perhaps I've missed mu vocation

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 1:26:22 PM

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Greetings

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Yes I think it's great that the makers can combine two different medias. I had a lovely 'Lord Of The Rings' deck. long before the peter Jackson trilogy. I'll google 'The Mage' apparently it's quite a rare deck.

I love mixed media decks and decks based on fiction. I am an occultist, a Chaos magician so I use fiction in my occult works all the time, perhaps that is one of the reasons why I am Gorean, I like to use fiction in real life, but I am getting off topic. Yes the Mage the Ascension deck is rare, both of them are. I have had the second edition deck for a long time, but I have been looking for the first ed deck and I was lucky to find one I could afford.

I just got the House of Night Oracle Deck, not a Tarot but a Oracle deck but based on a fiction series of books. It is quite good. Here is a review of them if you are interested in fiction sources made into oracle decks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYFXFWiIH7E

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You're right it's very hard to read the cards for yourself objectively, but, it can be done, it just needs lots practise .

I definitively agree with you on this, I try to read for myself once a day, and I think I am getting good results, if I may be so bold as to say. :)

I wish you well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 1:40:24 PM

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Greetings

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I've been reading for about 25 years now, and I still struggle with this issue. On the one hand, its essential to include your own intuition and insights into the reading, but by the very fact that you're doing that, you're not using the objective side of your brain.

I have always enjoyed using intuition to read and I do that more than I go by card meanings, especially since the symbolism of a card changes with how the pictures are portrayed. I have a vampire themed deck for example where the Sun card show a vampire screaming in pain from the sun which are burning him, that card is not as positive as the Sun card usually are. Anyway I use a combination of intuition and card meanings when reading and that usually works fine for Tarot.

When I dowse however then is when I get trouble staying objective. I mean I do very well in exercises where I dowse with a map to find oil wells and the like and later check to see that yes they are there, but when dowsing anything for myself to find lost things and the like I never get it right.

By the way giving what forum we are one, do anyone else here have the strange fantasy of being Dominated by another Cartomancer who force one to stand on all four and chain one up and then one is used as a Tarot table? Or is it only me who have this strange fantasy?

I wish you all well

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 1:42:24 PM

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Hi Nephandi.

Yes I think it's great that the makers can combine two different medias. I had a lovely 'Lord Of The Rings' deck. long before the peter Jackson trilogy. I'll google 'The Mage' apparently it's quite a rare deck.

You're right it's very hard to read the cards for yourself objectively, but, it can be done, it just needs lots practise .

I had a copy of the MAGE deck and it was stolen by a roomie - and never found its replacement

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1565044339/ref=sr_1_sc_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1371571282&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=Mage%3A+The+Ascention+tarot&condition=used

There's a bucket of them on Amazon right now. Might get me one soon.

I liked that deck!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/18/2013 1:44:15 PM

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Greetings

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I have just 'hidden' FreedomDwarf', just to re iterate the Tarot forum is for everybody who has an interest in & love for the Tarot & anything that is metaphysically related. Whether you know a little or you know a lot, everyone's welcome.

I hate the idea of 'hiding' people, but if they're intent on derailing the thread & spoiling it for everybody else, they have to go.

I'm sounding like a school teacher. Perhaps I've missed mu vocation .

I did not know you could hide someone on your thread. Anyway I understand your decision. I think it is a form of trolling to come into a forum or thread just to spread hate. I mean I do not go into the Atheist and skeptics forums, I allow them to have their own believes in peace, to do otherwise would be rude. I welcome friendly debate but whenever something alternative or Spiritual is being debated someone will come along to preach how horrible it is and that can be annoying.

I wish you well

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