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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 12:50:17 AM

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... and a "mysterious" 404 error

use the link, but remove the period at the end of it and it will work

D'oh! boink ....

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 8:14:19 AM

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Sadly, even if the public disapproves of the government surveillance it is not clear that anything will change in the future.

According to a Pew poll the majority approve.

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 8:19:29 AM

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The hide button? I'm surprised at you, Rich. I would have thought a free speech kinda guy would have the balls to withstand the blowback he receives from his own incivility. But, if you aint gottem you aint gottem. :::shrugs:::

Just because I will stand and fight over the right of scum like Westboro Baptist to speak as they do, doesn't mean I can't either roll up my windows to avoid hearing it if I pass one of their events, or rolling them down, and cranking up some Judas Priest to drown it out, Vince.

Good point, Rich. You certainly have the freedom to NOT listen. But you do not hurl epithets at them as you go by, do you? You do not stoop to their level, right? This is a board where we are allowed free discourse. I am doing my part by minding my civility and courtesy.

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 8:21:59 AM

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I'm wondering if that heart attack room Butch was using earlier is free. FTP and I are in complete agreement on something.

Well hey.. it's not hard to mistrust Obama. Let's be clear here. The guy's line on this one is, "I welcome an open debate?" Wait... seriously? He is SERIOUSLY going to kick of dozens of secret surveillance programs on the US citizens and then when he gets his fingers caught in the cookie jar he "welcomes debate". Anyone who actually wanted to know what we thought would've welcomed that debate UP FRONT. How can anyone believe that? If your kids did something similar would you buy it?

UPFRONT was 2004. Obama instituted oversight and complied with warrants.

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 8:26:16 AM

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Am I the only one here deeply disturbed that this guy felt he had to run from the land of the free and the home of the brave to Red fucking China to maintain his freedom of speech?

Be careful who you enshrine as a hero. This guy who puts pillows at the bottom of his hotel door and covers his head with a hood when he is on a computer, fears the Triad will get him, and is according to recent reports already on the run from the hotel room where he registered in his own name.

Your 'hero' may turn out to be a nutter. A modern day true-believing Lee Harvey Oswald without a gun.

Who's calling him a hero? I'm mourning the fall of the once great United States.

Wasn't it our fabulous President Obama who once said that we needed more whistle blowers?

Glenn Beck coronated him his HERO. When Glenn (i aint never seen a conspiracy story i didnt love) calls him a hero you know the kid's in trouble. The kid threw away his life promises in exchange for the worship of the Glenn Becks. Snowden's only hope is he can stay outta jail long enough to write a book and cash in big for himself before Beck does.

Or he can go to Russia where they don't spy on their people

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 8:33:12 AM

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Sadly, even if the public disapproves of the government surveillance it is not clear that anything will change in the future.

According to a Pew poll the majority approve.

*nods* That goes without saying. The same was true of the people warning about bank bailouts (in both Occupy & the Tea Party) and a whole raft of other leading edge concerns. Whether or not those of us who ARE concerned can tip the balance... that's the question, no?

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 8:35:08 AM

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Sadly, even if the public disapproves of the government surveillance it is not clear that anything will change in the future.

According to a Pew poll the majority approve.

well the majority are sheep & have the IQ of a rutabaga, so thats no surprise..

"Americans may not be paying too much attention to the government surveillance scandal, but it looks like much of the world is."
http://www.nationaljournal.com//nationalsecurity/international-response-to-nsa-wtf-america-20130611

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 9:59:44 AM

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The 29-year-old former CIA employee behind what might be the biggest intelligence leak in US history revealed his identity to the world in Hong Kong on Sunday. His decision to use a city under Chinese sovereignty as his haven has been widely questioned – including by some rights activists in Hong Kong.

Snowden said last night that he had no doubts about his choice of Hong Kong.

“People who think I made a mistake in picking Hong Kong as a location misunderstand my intentions. I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality,” Snowden said in an exclusive interview with the South China Morning Post.

“I have had many opportunities to flee HK, but I would rather stay and fight the United States government in the courts, because I have faith in Hong Kong’s rule of law,” he added.

Snowden says he has committed no crimes in Hong Kong and has “been given no reason to doubt [Hong Kong’s legal] system”.

Interesting.

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 10:05:49 AM

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well ron paul thinks hes gonna be taken out by a cruise missile or a drone.... so he better watch out!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/11/ron-paul-us-government-may-try-to-kill-whistleblower/?intcmp=HPBucket

edited for the wrong Paul DUH

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 4:13:55 PM

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I'd be proud to call that man a relative.

As would I. And I would be ashamed to consider a relative someone that would, in their heart, consider him a traitor.

Iceland is looking to offer asylum now, with at least one member of Parliament having offered to help him with that process.

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RE: NSA leaker comes forward - 6/12/2013 4:17:53 PM

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According to a Pew poll the majority approve.

According to a poll way back when, these fuckers whining about North American independence should stop creating tensions with the nations they were properly the subjects of. We all know how that went in the end: people that cared set out to create the future they wanted, over the objections of the people, and years later, every descendant of the ones that objected seems to think the USA is the hottest thing since sliced bread.

Popular opinion matters not one bit when it comes to any meaningful advances humanity makes (or the opposite, for that matter).

A man with commitment is worth a thousand with mere opinions.

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