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~smirks

Im not looking for smoking guns here. However, if a news organization is going to throw facts around, they should be factually correct.

Which has been 1/2 my beef for the last 102 pages and 18 months. My question is why haven't they been?

I'd like to say that it's about selling papers and ratings, which it is to some extent, but it's also rapidly becoming clearer that this about gun control, specifically SYG.

Which is morally and ethically repugnant.To repeatedly use tragedies as an excuse to advance a political agenda, to spread lies and defamation, to parade victims and their heart broken kin in order to advance a political agenda is just despicable.

And when doing so inflames already sensitive issues,when it leads to looting in the streets, businesses burned (Not a lot of them, but tell it to the poor guy standing in the ashes of their dreams.), when it leads to withholding of evidence and tearing up civil liberties, yeah, that's just wrong. Even by the low low threshold of American political standards it's wrong.
It kinda reminds me of the guy who, under attack, grabs a baby and uses it as a shield. Disgusting, right?
But that's exactly what's happening, except now that baby is sword and shield.

For some reason, that doesn't seem to bother a whole lot of people.Don't know why. Scares piss out of me, I'll tell you that.

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~FR~

Black Africans were being brought to Cuba as early as the mid 1500's. The Spanish kept them as slaves, but they were only allowed to enter the American colonies as indentured servants, and were free as soon as they had fulfilled the terms of their service. That was usually just paying for the cost of bringing them to the colonies, their room and board during the time they were in service, and any other expenses they may be indebted for. Being indentured was usually a term of service that lasted between 5 - 10 years depending on a persons trade and their ability to save or earn enough money to fulfill their terms.

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Would you have any validation for this moronic bullshit?

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The first slave owner in America was actually a black African man named Anthony Johnson. Mr Johnson had come to the mainland as an indentured servant.

Hstorically inaccurate. First slaves come to the colonies in 1603.
Get a fucking history book written for someone who is not an appologist for slavery.You might also wish to brush up on the particulars of the case. It deals directly with the slave tade between cuba and the u.s.

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After he payed off his indenture, he bought a plantation and brought in other African indentured servants from Cuba. After his plantation caught on fire, Johnson sued the state of Virginia for the right to own a man named John Casor as part of a tax relief case in 1654. He won the case in 1655, establishing the institution of slavery in America.

The virginia colony was not america, it was an english colony. Please try to keep your post historically accurate.

In 1661, when Virginia enacted slavery as law, any free man of any race could own slaves.

And no... they don't teach these things any more.

-SD-

When did it become illegal to be a free black in virginia?
For someone who seeks to contort facts to fit your own agenda mr. history teacher, how is it possible for a black to own slaves in virginia?

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To whom it may concern: Just because someone is in a position of authority they do not get to make up their own facts. In spite of what some people here (who shall remain nameless) want to claim, someone over the age of 18 is NOT a fucking minor!

(in reply to thompsonx)

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

When people think of the media making a profit from the misery of other people, I often wonder if they are using the imagery of farming... the media plants seeds of discord, and reaps harvests of sensationalized events to 'report' on.

Or the visual of vultures circling.

Lately though, I keep having flashes of jackals dragging down a baby zebra and shredding it with their teeth.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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~smirks

Im not looking for smoking guns here. However, if a news organization is going to throw facts around, they should be factually correct.

Which has been 1/2 my beef for the last 102 pages and 18 months. My question is why haven't they been?

I'd like to say that it's about selling papers and ratings, which it is to some extent, but it's also rapidly becoming clearer that this about gun control, specifically SYG.

Which is morally and ethically repugnant.To repeatedly use tragedies as an excuse to advance a political agenda, to spread lies and defamation, to parade victims and their heart broken kin in order to advance a political agenda is just despicable.

And when doing so inflames already sensitive issues,when it leads to looting in the streets, businesses burned (Not a lot of them, but tell it to the poor guy standing in the ashes of their dreams.), when it leads to withholding of evidence and tearing up civil liberties, yeah, that's just wrong. Even by the low low threshold of American political standards it's wrong.
It kinda reminds me of the guy who, under attack, grabs a baby and uses it as a shield. Disgusting, right?
But that's exactly what's happening, except now that baby is sword and shield.

For some reason, that doesn't seem to bother a whole lot of people.Don't know why. Scares piss out of me, I'll tell you that.

I have no issue what so ever with Castle Doctrine.

I have no issue what so ever with Self Defense

I do have an issue with SYG laws as they are being utilized. Taking a snap shot of the moment the killer becomes the victim minimizes the killer's own potential culpability.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~smirks

Im not looking for smoking guns here. However, if a news organization is going to throw facts around, they should be factually correct.

Which has been 1/2 my beef for the last 102 pages and 18 months. My question is why haven't they been?

I'd like to say that it's about selling papers and ratings, which it is to some extent, but it's also rapidly becoming clearer that this about gun control, specifically SYG.

Which is morally and ethically repugnant.To repeatedly use tragedies as an excuse to advance a political agenda, to spread lies and defamation, to parade victims and their heart broken kin in order to advance a political agenda is just despicable.

And when doing so inflames already sensitive issues,when it leads to looting in the streets, businesses burned (Not a lot of them, but tell it to the poor guy standing in the ashes of their dreams.), when it leads to withholding of evidence and tearing up civil liberties, yeah, that's just wrong. Even by the low low threshold of American political standards it's wrong.
It kinda reminds me of the guy who, under attack, grabs a baby and uses it as a shield. Disgusting, right?
But that's exactly what's happening, except now that baby is sword and shield.

For some reason, that doesn't seem to bother a whole lot of people.Don't know why. Scares piss out of me, I'll tell you that.

I have no issue what so ever with Castle Doctrine.

I have no issue what so ever with Self Defense

I do have an issue with SYG laws as they are being utilized. Taking a snap shot of the moment the killer becomes the victim minimizes the killer's own potential culpability.

But the way the media have handled this, the repeated and continuing lies and falsehoods, that doesn't bother you?

I'm genuinely asking...
Now me, I have no problem with SYG or no SYG, I couldn't care less (Though, break in my house and I think things should change) but I do care about things like constitutional rights, civil liberties, government oppression and overreach, fair prosecutions, minor pesky details like that.
And I'm old enough to remember a much fairer media, when Walter Cronkite was one of the most respected men in the country. I also have this irrational belief in the need for a free press to act as an external watchdog of the government, one that maintains ethics and standards, crazy things like truth and decency.
Rather neanderthal of me,I know. But alas, that's just how I'm wired

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Okay...breatha, then read...slowly...for comprehension.

It was Martin's GIRLFRIEND who lived in the subdivision.

Martin's GIRLFRIEND.

Trayvon did not live with MARTIN'S GIRLFRIEND.

And as far as this ride thing goes. I have teenagers. I would not EVER want them to get into a car with a random stranger for "a ride home."

Now, do we understand or are we still too caught up in our need to be right to have reading comprehension?

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Your view of SYG might well change if you were mugged.

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Your view of SYG might well change if you were mugged.

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Your view of SYG might well change if you were mugged.

I've been mugged.
But I wouldn't need SYG-Like Z, I'd claim self defense.

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And again,ethically, morally, you don't find the venal political use of these tragedies repugnant?

As for believing in another age of media honesty-I'm no naif. I see exactly what's going on.
Which is why I'm such a giant advocate of a free net. Nothing is scarier to corrupt governments than the free exchange of information.
There's a great line from the Wire, one that applies to almost all oppressed people "You know what the most dangerous thing in America is, right? Brother with a library card. "

(Paraphrased because The Wire uses jargon that I cannot, nor would I if I could, use on here)

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"You know what the most dangerous thing in America is, right? Brother with a library card. "

I find that sentiment actually rather sad. Its indicating that a black man with a library card is actually dangerous. Dangerous to whom? Only to the "establishment".

The disparity of justice in the criminal justice system is felt differently by different races. Mostly based upon socio-economic lines. But even that is rooted in race differences.

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Your view of SYG might well change if you were mugged.

I've been mugged.
But I wouldn't need SYG-Like Z, I'd claim self defense.

Me too but prior to about 07 in this state if I couldn't prove I had tried to get away I could do jail time.
Even if in my home.

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My objection is the use of the words "dangerous" and "Brother"... sending the completely wrong message.

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Your view of SYG might well change if you were mugged.

I've been mugged.
But I wouldn't need SYG-Like Z, I'd claim self defense.

Me too but prior to about 07 in this state if I couldn't prove I had tried to get away I could do jail time.
Even if in my home.

Hell, here in the great state of Maryland, they use reciprocal force. Generally speaking, you defend yourself and you're going to jail.
A few years back a Hopkins student killed a burglar with a samurai sword. The guy had broken in once that night, came back for more. When confronted he attacked,despite the student bearing a three freaking foot long naked blade. And got the Ronco slice and dice treatment for his troubles.

And the freaking cops were seriously considering charging the student until Hopkins, the largest employer in the city,interceded and used their clout to keep charges from being filed.
I'm telling you dude,MD is nuts.
And the irony is that Baltimore has more handgun deaths per capita than any major American city. Whatever they doing-it ain't work.