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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:19:01 PM

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You ignore the obvious fact that Martin initiated the violent phase of the encounter making it clear cut self defense.

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Nobody is ignoring that hallucination at all.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:20:29 PM

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I truly want to believe that Mr. Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin in his car, then got out of his car to follow on foot, all he did was ask the kid what he was doing, turned to leave because he was satisfied with the answer and was ambushed by a kid who intended to attack an adult all along after buying his tea and skittles.

But .. something tells me that isn't what happened at all.

My guess is Mr. Zimmerman forgot that if you try to stop someone from going home, they might come to believe that you intend to do them harm and if they feel threatened, they just might fight back resulting in your skull being cracked.

People want to believe that Zimmerman acted in self defense. But folks, when you instigate a confrontation, you are the aggressor. People were screaming about the "race card" being played. But the fact of the matter is this: if Trayvon Martin had been Tracy Martin, a blonde haired, blue eyed teenaged girl, Zimmerman would have been arrested the night of the shooting and the public would be willing to accept that she believed Zimmerman was trying to abduct her, she fought for her life and Zimmerman was wrong for shooting her, regardless of whether she smoked marijuana or had videos of herself talking about fighting.

First one to use violence, that is a fact no matter how bad you want it to be otherwise.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:22:20 PM

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Was there a point in your posting 120? Or were you just quoting me for truth

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:23:21 PM

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withdrawn on my own accord.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:23:36 PM

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OK.... do you really think that when the self defense laws were written it was so they could protect pussies like Zimmerman from their well deserved fates?

I just pointed out that such laws were not in place when I was 12, 16, or 22 yrs. old. This was before the world went berserk.

They didn't enact leash laws for my benefit, or Zimmerman's either, though I had to deal with (primarily unleashed) viscous dogs every morning on my paper route, whereas Zimmerman felt the need, on one occasion, to report a "stray dog" to 911.

No, self defense was a given right.

Which is why people with such viscous dogs felt themselves to be in the right in setting their (unleashed) dogs out at night to attack whoever approached, even if they overlooked the minor detail of the milkman or the paperboy making their deliveries.

The dogs putting their teeth in my face was a matter of 'self defense,' as the dogs saw it. Why are you pointing out the obvious, here?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:24:59 PM

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withdrawn, on my own accord.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:25:35 PM

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I agree with you. There is bias here based on the love of guns by some and race. Many here cast the victim as the perp.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:26:41 PM

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:27:29 PM

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The legal standard for self defense doesn't define 'the aggressor' that way, and it doesn't remove the right of self defense merely for asking someone 'What are you doing'..

It is very plausible that Zimmerman wasn't quite the innocent bystander, it is very plausible that Martin acted on mistaken assumptions, and so on.

But after all of the lead in... at crunch time, if it had been anyone on their back and they felt a hand clawing at the jacket over their holster. would it be reasonable for John Doe to feel in danger?

And that of course interlocks with the question of was Zimmerman lying when he claimed that, or did he panic, shoot to stop the punching, and then remember what he was told in his CCW classes, and elsewhere in the wanna-be world about 'I was in fear for my life'?

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ORIGINAL: NothingIsTaboo4U

I truly want to believe that Mr. Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin in his car, then got out of his car to follow on foot, all he did was ask the kid what he was doing, turned to leave because he was satisfied with the answer and was ambushed by a kid who intended to attack an adult all along after buying his tea and skittles.

But .. something tells me that isn't what happened at all.

My guess is Mr. Zimmerman forgot that if you try to stop someone from going home, they might come to believe that you intend to do them harm and if they feel threatened, they just might fight back resulting in your skull being cracked.

People want to believe that Zimmerman acted in self defense. But folks, when you instigate a confrontation, you are the aggressor. People were screaming about the "race card" being played. But the fact of the matter is this: if Trayvon Martin had been Tracy Martin, a blonde haired, blue eyed teenaged girl, Zimmerman would have been arrested the night of the shooting and the public would be willing to accept that she believed Zimmerman was trying to abduct her, she fought for her life and Zimmerman was wrong for shooting her, regardless of whether she smoked marijuana or had videos of herself talking about fighting.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:28:21 PM

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Was there a point in your posting 120? Or were you just quoting me for truth

My post somehow got left out, I said you have a low opinion of people.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:28:21 PM

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Thank you for fixing your post and explaining. And, no, I dont have a low opinion of people... I am assuming you meant to add that to the end of your post and not in the middle...

However, I do have a realistic view of people... especially mothers. That is neither placing them low, or high, its just an honest assessment. The belief that any jury can be completely impartial and leave their own lives outside the jury room is ridiculous even on face value.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:29:27 PM

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Was there a point in your posting 120? Or were you just quoting me for truth

No, look at it again, he is slipping in shit I never said. You remember the old FYP from the days of old you know who daddy.

If your statement was altered it was before I got to it.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:29:35 PM

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withdrawn of my own accord.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:30:14 PM

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Don't Ask Don't Tell? Is that supposed to make sense?

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And yet when I posted it with the link, you called it asswipe. Memory going so young?

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"DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment"

I've always wondered where that came from, since it unattributed.....how in the fuck did you come by that?

I guess I will have to take the Forteenth on that one. It saddens me to do so with such a piece of shit as that asswipe, don't ask don't tell does not fit within the Fifth, as I am sure you tutored the undergraduates in your Criminal Justice 101.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:30:32 PM

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I truly want to believe that Mr. Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin in his car, then got out of his car to follow on foot, all he did was ask the kid what he was doing, turned to leave because he was satisfied with the answer and was ambushed by a kid who intended to attack an adult all along after buying his tea and skittles.

But .. something tells me that isn't what happened at all.

My guess is Mr. Zimmerman forgot that if you try to stop someone from going home, they might come to believe that you intend to do them harm and if they feel threatened, they just might fight back resulting in your skull being cracked.

People want to believe that Zimmerman acted in self defense. But folks, when you instigate a confrontation, you are the aggressor. People were screaming about the "race card" being played. But the fact of the matter is this: if Trayvon Martin had been Tracy Martin, a blonde haired, blue eyed teenaged girl, Zimmerman would have been arrested the night of the shooting and the public would be willing to accept that she believed Zimmerman was trying to abduct her, she fought for her life and Zimmerman was wrong for shooting her, regardless of whether she smoked marijuana or had videos of herself talking about fighting.

You should have done your avatar pic in monochrome, NIT. I have my gun pointed at the screen, just in case it makes a false move.

Zimmerman shot a child. That will always be the starting point for me. A child at perhaps the most difficult age, too.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:31:01 PM

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*BamaD*

Fix that very fucking outrageous violation of TOS even in this thread. You wanna say you suck dick, say it, its on you, but I wont put words in your mouth and dont you put words in mine, I did not say that, and you make that plain.

What is it you think I accused you of?
I don't know what you are talking about.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:32:34 PM

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If you are thinking about yourself you have no business being on the jury.

Then you have a very low view of people.

Then there would be no juries.

Thank you. Some people think its all about what they perceive and nothing else.

Bama, of course we all think about ourselves. These people do have a life beyond the court room.

The bolded part is what YOU added... but your post attributes it to Ron.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:33:51 PM

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Was there a point in your posting 120? Or were you just quoting me for truth

My post somehow got left out, I said you have a low opinion of people.

No it is there, and you attributed it to me saying that, go fix it now.

To saying what?
I was replying not to you but to Tazzy.
If it came out that this appeared to be accusing you of something I'm sorry but I would like to know what it was you believe I said.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:34:29 PM

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I just pointed it out to you

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/12/2013 4:34:47 PM

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Don't Ask Don't Tell? Is that supposed to make sense?

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And yet when I posted it with the link, you called it asswipe. Memory going so young?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

"DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment"

I've always wondered where that came from, since it unattributed.....how in the fuck did you come by that?

I guess I will have to take the Forteenth on that one. It saddens me to do so with such a piece of shit as that asswipe, don't ask don't tell does not fit within the Fifth, as I am sure you tutored the undergraduates in your Criminal Justice 101.

What the fuck does the Fifth amendment have to do with the unconstitutionality of DOMA?
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

There is the Fifth, waltz me thru it slowly. It ain't legal analysis I have ever seen cobbled together before successfully.

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