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Just pointing out that recent blather has been to ignore the fact that it pretty much is *proved* that planes are in range and could have gotten there.

When facts don't support you - change the subject.

I long back disproved all your claims about F-16's. They could not have ferried to Sigonella and armed because Sigonella does not have any fighter squadrons to arm them from.

They were not in range for a direct flight and launching a tanker would have added 2 to 3 hours minimum to the prep time for the mission plus the actual refueling time over the Med.

Even if we did launch them and get them there they would have been able to do nothing except indiscriminately bomb a town we considered friendly. The mortar attack that killed the two security contractors that were the only ones that died after this crazy half assed plan could have gotten a plane on station was from an unseen position and only 3 rounds were fired. There is nothing an F-16 in the dark could have done to prevent that.

LOL: no quotes no facts just your words.

Fact: Sigonella is a logistics hub.
Fact: Ace F-16 pilot said the ferry option was perfectly viable - and mundane. And said they could have rearmed and refueled the planes.
Fact: Combat range of an f16 with external tanks is more than adequate. But even if not you could ferry.
Fact: The mortar position was NOT unknown but laser illuminated.
Fact: That version of the f-16 is night mission compatible. As evidenced by a). The specs (provided) and b). The fact that they use them for night missions all the time.

You repeat all these falsehoods - but not a single bit of evidence to back you up. Your words are dross.

This is why you are factless ken. Your oft repeated assertions are nothing.

I already disproved all this nonsense except the claim about the mortar. You got anything on that one?

BTW why would your supposed expert say the only option was a ferry to Sigonella if the planes had the range otherwise? Because they don't and your own source confirms that. Also why would they have been designating a target with no air assets overhead? That would be the waste of a guy who could be doing something else.

Now lets consider you fantasy
Aviano recalls a couple of air crews and pilots,fuels up a couple of F-16's and loads them with drop tanks, develops this plan and briefs the pilots.
That's a minimum of an hour and more likely longer.
F-16's fly to Sigonella
more than an hour
F-16's land at Sigonella, air crews unfamiliar with F-16's remove drops tanks, refuel the planes and load ordinance.
probably an hour and a half to 2 hours
F-16's fly to Benghazi
another hour

So if everything goes just exactly right we have a couple of F-16's over Benghazi about 5 hours after we decide to send them. So too early to hit the mortar position, even if we did know it was there, and without the fuel to loiter to wait for something we didn't know was coming. So still nothing useful the F-16's could have done.

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Wrong again.
Do you even bother to read the links I provided?
In the off chance you actually care (occassionally about facts)

1. Ready squadrons are kept on alert at US air bases. No, it doesn't take hours to round up flight crews.
2. As it said in the link - you brief the pilots and establish radio frequencies etc during the ferry to Sigonella.
3. The hot flash reload at sigonella takes 1.08 hours. You do know they practice these things right? Because the ability to do multiple sorties in a day is critical capacity for air power. The US has, when situations required, gotten 4 sorties a day.
4. The f-16 pilot did not say they couldn't strafe benghazi - he said that as a worst case scenario they could ferry to sigonella if required.
5. Its actually 40 minutes or so to fly, not an hour. Total airtime on an f-16 is around 5 hours - so with 80 minutes on there and backagain - that leaves 3 hrs 40 minutes on station.

But regardless - I said send a squadron. Whatever it takes to keep cap until people are evacuated.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Wrong again.
Do you even bother to read the links I provided?
In the off chance you actually care (occassionally about facts)

1. Ready squadrons are kept on alert at US air bases. No, it doesn't take hours to round up flight crews.
2. As it said in the link - you brief the pilots and establish radio frequencies etc during the ferry to Sigonella.
3. The hot flash reload at sigonella takes 1.08 hours. You do know they practice these things right? Because the ability to do multiple sorties in a day is critical capacity for air power. The US has, when situations required, gotten 4 sorties a day.
4. The f-16 pilot did not say they couldn't strafe benghazi - he said that as a worst case scenario they could ferry to sigonella if required.
5. Its actually 40 minutes or so to fly, not an hour. Total airtime on an f-16 is around 5 hours - so with 80 minutes on there and backagain - that leaves 3 hrs 40 minutes on station.

But regardless - I said send a squadron. Whatever it takes to keep cap until people are evacuated.

The only link you presented was some blogger who claims he was a pilot. That stuff doesn't convince me.

Ready squadrons are not kept fueled and armed. That is only done at DefCon 3. We haven't been at 3 since 9/11. We certainly do not keep planes prepped for ferry runs.

So yes you would have to get air crews together, figure out the mission, prep the planes and brief the pilots.
That takes at least an hour plus however long it takes to get the air crews working and for the pilots to get ready.

Then you get to Sigonella, there are no fighter squadrons there and no air crews experienced with F-16's, the Navy does not fly them. So it will take a lot longer to refuel and load ordinance onto the planes. Landing a full squadron would involve a lot more time as those planes would be circling and landing as the runways were clear. At something like midnight local time the air crews could be expected to be fatigued so either everything would take longer or safety would be sacrificed which the Navy does not do. So it would take significantly longer than a mid day refuel stop or even a daylight re arm when F-16 air crews were assigned to the base. And that still assumes Sigonella had the weapons available. Since the Navy does not resupply aircraft ordinance on carriers by plane I still think that is unlikely.

So it is still at least 5 hours and likely a couple of hours more than that. And you still failed to present any evidence that the guys on the ground were able to see much less designate the mortar position.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Wrong again.
Do you even bother to read the links I provided?
In the off chance you actually care (occassionally about facts)

1. Ready squadrons are kept on alert at US air bases. No, it doesn't take hours to round up flight crews.
2. As it said in the link - you brief the pilots and establish radio frequencies etc during the ferry to Sigonella.
3. The hot flash reload at sigonella takes 1.08 hours. You do know they practice these things right? Because the ability to do multiple sorties in a day is critical capacity for air power. The US has, when situations required, gotten 4 sorties a day.
4. The f-16 pilot did not say they couldn't strafe benghazi - he said that as a worst case scenario they could ferry to sigonella if required.
5. Its actually 40 minutes or so to fly, not an hour. Total airtime on an f-16 is around 5 hours - so with 80 minutes on there and backagain - that leaves 3 hrs 40 minutes on station.

But regardless - I said send a squadron. Whatever it takes to keep cap until people are evacuated.

The only link you presented was some blogger who claims he was a pilot. That stuff doesn't convince me.

Ready squadrons are not kept fueled and armed. That is only done at DefCon 3. We haven't been at 3 since 9/11. We certainly do not keep planes prepped for ferry runs.

So yes you would have to get air crews together, figure out the mission, prep the planes and brief the pilots.
That takes at least an hour plus however long it takes to get the air crews working and for the pilots to get ready.

Then you get to Sigonella, there are no fighter squadrons there and no air crews experienced with F-16's, the Navy does not fly them. So it will take a lot longer to refuel and load ordinance onto the planes. Landing a full squadron would involve a lot more time as those planes would be circling and landing as the runways were clear. At something like midnight local time the air crews could be expected to be fatigued so either everything would take longer or safety would be sacrificed which the Navy does not do. So it would take significantly longer than a mid day refuel stop or even a daylight re arm when F-16 air crews were assigned to the base. And that still assumes Sigonella had the weapons available. Since the Navy does not resupply aircraft ordinance on carriers by plane I still think that is unlikely.

So it is still at least 5 hours and likely a couple of hours more than that. And you still failed to present any evidence that the guys on the ground were able to see much less designate the mortar position.

And you gave no links, Factless Ken, so once again your words are your opinions with no facts. Dust in the wind. I know for a fact we keep air crews on alert, to scramble for airspace intrusions, s & r, etc. I've seen it and we weren't at no defcon 3.

And as for a blogger - who has a history of writing on f-16 and military ops - I think his postings carry a great more weight than yours.

Just to correct a bit more idiocy of yours
Here's some quotes:

Although a tenant of the Italian Air Force, NAS Sigonella acts as landlord to more than 40 other U.S. commands and activities.

Among the aircraft that fly from this island base are U.S. Air Force C-130, C-17 and C-5 airlifters, KC-135 and KC-10 tankers and U.S. Navy P-3 Orions, C-2 Greyhounds C-130s, and C-9B Skytrain IIs and C-40A Clippers, and Italian Air Force Breguet Br.1150 Atlantics. It is one of the most frequently used stops for U.S. airlift aircraft bound from the continental United States to Southwest Asia and the Indian Ocean.

Read the bit where it houses TANKERS?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Wrong again.
Do you even bother to read the links I provided?
In the off chance you actually care (occassionally about facts)

1. Ready squadrons are kept on alert at US air bases. No, it doesn't take hours to round up flight crews.
2. As it said in the link - you brief the pilots and establish radio frequencies etc during the ferry to Sigonella.
3. The hot flash reload at sigonella takes 1.08 hours. You do know they practice these things right? Because the ability to do multiple sorties in a day is critical capacity for air power. The US has, when situations required, gotten 4 sorties a day.
4. The f-16 pilot did not say they couldn't strafe benghazi - he said that as a worst case scenario they could ferry to sigonella if required.
5. Its actually 40 minutes or so to fly, not an hour. Total airtime on an f-16 is around 5 hours - so with 80 minutes on there and backagain - that leaves 3 hrs 40 minutes on station.

But regardless - I said send a squadron. Whatever it takes to keep cap until people are evacuated.

The only link you presented was some blogger who claims he was a pilot. That stuff doesn't convince me.

Ready squadrons are not kept fueled and armed. That is only done at DefCon 3. We haven't been at 3 since 9/11. We certainly do not keep planes prepped for ferry runs.

So yes you would have to get air crews together, figure out the mission, prep the planes and brief the pilots.
That takes at least an hour plus however long it takes to get the air crews working and for the pilots to get ready.

Then you get to Sigonella, there are no fighter squadrons there and no air crews experienced with F-16's, the Navy does not fly them. So it will take a lot longer to refuel and load ordinance onto the planes. Landing a full squadron would involve a lot more time as those planes would be circling and landing as the runways were clear. At something like midnight local time the air crews could be expected to be fatigued so either everything would take longer or safety would be sacrificed which the Navy does not do. So it would take significantly longer than a mid day refuel stop or even a daylight re arm when F-16 air crews were assigned to the base. And that still assumes Sigonella had the weapons available. Since the Navy does not resupply aircraft ordinance on carriers by plane I still think that is unlikely.

So it is still at least 5 hours and likely a couple of hours more than that. And you still failed to present any evidence that the guys on the ground were able to see much less designate the mortar position.

And you gave no links, Factless Ken, so once again your words are your opinions with no facts. Dust in the wind. I know for a fact we keep air crews on alert, to scramble for airspace intrusions, s & r, etc. I've seen it and we weren't at no defcon 3.

And as for a blogger - who has a history of writing on f-16 and military ops - I think his postings carry a great more weight than yours.

Just to correct a bit more idiocy of yours
Here's some quotes:

Although a tenant of the Italian Air Force, NAS Sigonella acts as landlord to more than 40 other U.S. commands and activities.

Among the aircraft that fly from this island base are U.S. Air Force C-130, C-17 and C-5 airlifters, KC-135 and KC-10 tankers and U.S. Navy P-3 Orions, C-2 Greyhounds C-130s, and C-9B Skytrain IIs and C-40A Clippers, and Italian Air Force Breguet Br.1150 Atlantics. It is one of the most frequently used stops for U.S. airlift aircraft bound from the continental United States to Southwest Asia and the Indian Ocean.

Read the bit where it houses TANKERS?

I've presented plenty of links and you ignored them all why would I bother reposting them?

Also I never denied there were tankers in Sigonella. I have repeatedly said the only realistic way to run the mission would be with mid air refueling over the Med. Do you not understand that would mean tankers from Sigonella?

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Wrong again.
Do you even bother to read the links I provided?
In the off chance you actually care (occassionally about facts)

1. Ready squadrons are kept on alert at US air bases. No, it doesn't take hours to round up flight crews.
2. As it said in the link - you brief the pilots and establish radio frequencies etc during the ferry to Sigonella.
3. The hot flash reload at sigonella takes 1.08 hours. You do know they practice these things right? Because the ability to do multiple sorties in a day is critical capacity for air power. The US has, when situations required, gotten 4 sorties a day.
4. The f-16 pilot did not say they couldn't strafe benghazi - he said that as a worst case scenario they could ferry to sigonella if required.
5. Its actually 40 minutes or so to fly, not an hour. Total airtime on an f-16 is around 5 hours - so with 80 minutes on there and backagain - that leaves 3 hrs 40 minutes on station.

But regardless - I said send a squadron. Whatever it takes to keep cap until people are evacuated.

The only link you presented was some blogger who claims he was a pilot. That stuff doesn't convince me.

Ready squadrons are not kept fueled and armed. That is only done at DefCon 3. We haven't been at 3 since 9/11. We certainly do not keep planes prepped for ferry runs.

So yes you would have to get air crews together, figure out the mission, prep the planes and brief the pilots.
That takes at least an hour plus however long it takes to get the air crews working and for the pilots to get ready.

Then you get to Sigonella, there are no fighter squadrons there and no air crews experienced with F-16's, the Navy does not fly them. So it will take a lot longer to refuel and load ordinance onto the planes. Landing a full squadron would involve a lot more time as those planes would be circling and landing as the runways were clear. At something like midnight local time the air crews could be expected to be fatigued so either everything would take longer or safety would be sacrificed which the Navy does not do. So it would take significantly longer than a mid day refuel stop or even a daylight re arm when F-16 air crews were assigned to the base. And that still assumes Sigonella had the weapons available. Since the Navy does not resupply aircraft ordinance on carriers by plane I still think that is unlikely.

So it is still at least 5 hours and likely a couple of hours more than that. And you still failed to present any evidence that the guys on the ground were able to see much less designate the mortar position.

And you gave no links, Factless Ken, so once again your words are your opinions with no facts. Dust in the wind. I know for a fact we keep air crews on alert, to scramble for airspace intrusions, s & r, etc. I've seen it and we weren't at no defcon 3.

And as for a blogger - who has a history of writing on f-16 and military ops - I think his postings carry a great more weight than yours.

Just to correct a bit more idiocy of yours
Here's some quotes:

Although a tenant of the Italian Air Force, NAS Sigonella acts as landlord to more than 40 other U.S. commands and activities.

Among the aircraft that fly from this island base are U.S. Air Force C-130, C-17 and C-5 airlifters, KC-135 and KC-10 tankers and U.S. Navy P-3 Orions, C-2 Greyhounds C-130s, and C-9B Skytrain IIs and C-40A Clippers, and Italian Air Force Breguet Br.1150 Atlantics. It is one of the most frequently used stops for U.S. airlift aircraft bound from the continental United States to Southwest Asia and the Indian Ocean.

Read the bit where it houses TANKERS?

I've presented plenty of links and you ignored them all why would I bother reposting them?

Also I never denied there were tankers in Sigonella. I have repeatedly said the only realistic way to run the mission would be with mid air refueling over the Med. Do you not understand that would mean tankers from Sigonella?

And since the you have been claiming the mission was impossible due to the lack of refueling capability does this mean that you now see it was indeed possible? Or do you still fly in the face of logic?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Wrong again.
Do you even bother to read the links I provided?
In the off chance you actually care (occassionally about facts)

1. Ready squadrons are kept on alert at US air bases. No, it doesn't take hours to round up flight crews.
2. As it said in the link - you brief the pilots and establish radio frequencies etc during the ferry to Sigonella.
3. The hot flash reload at sigonella takes 1.08 hours. You do know they practice these things right? Because the ability to do multiple sorties in a day is critical capacity for air power. The US has, when situations required, gotten 4 sorties a day.
4. The f-16 pilot did not say they couldn't strafe benghazi - he said that as a worst case scenario they could ferry to sigonella if required.
5. Its actually 40 minutes or so to fly, not an hour. Total airtime on an f-16 is around 5 hours - so with 80 minutes on there and backagain - that leaves 3 hrs 40 minutes on station.

But regardless - I said send a squadron. Whatever it takes to keep cap until people are evacuated.

The only link you presented was some blogger who claims he was a pilot. That stuff doesn't convince me.

Ready squadrons are not kept fueled and armed. That is only done at DefCon 3. We haven't been at 3 since 9/11. We certainly do not keep planes prepped for ferry runs.

So yes you would have to get air crews together, figure out the mission, prep the planes and brief the pilots.
That takes at least an hour plus however long it takes to get the air crews working and for the pilots to get ready.

Then you get to Sigonella, there are no fighter squadrons there and no air crews experienced with F-16's, the Navy does not fly them. So it will take a lot longer to refuel and load ordinance onto the planes. Landing a full squadron would involve a lot more time as those planes would be circling and landing as the runways were clear. At something like midnight local time the air crews could be expected to be fatigued so either everything would take longer or safety would be sacrificed which the Navy does not do. So it would take significantly longer than a mid day refuel stop or even a daylight re arm when F-16 air crews were assigned to the base. And that still assumes Sigonella had the weapons available. Since the Navy does not resupply aircraft ordinance on carriers by plane I still think that is unlikely.

So it is still at least 5 hours and likely a couple of hours more than that. And you still failed to present any evidence that the guys on the ground were able to see much less designate the mortar position.

And you gave no links, Factless Ken, so once again your words are your opinions with no facts. Dust in the wind. I know for a fact we keep air crews on alert, to scramble for airspace intrusions, s & r, etc. I've seen it and we weren't at no defcon 3.

And as for a blogger - who has a history of writing on f-16 and military ops - I think his postings carry a great more weight than yours.

Just to correct a bit more idiocy of yours
Here's some quotes:

Although a tenant of the Italian Air Force, NAS Sigonella acts as landlord to more than 40 other U.S. commands and activities.

Among the aircraft that fly from this island base are U.S. Air Force C-130, C-17 and C-5 airlifters, KC-135 and KC-10 tankers and U.S. Navy P-3 Orions, C-2 Greyhounds C-130s, and C-9B Skytrain IIs and C-40A Clippers, and Italian Air Force Breguet Br.1150 Atlantics. It is one of the most frequently used stops for U.S. airlift aircraft bound from the continental United States to Southwest Asia and the Indian Ocean.

Read the bit where it houses TANKERS?

I've presented plenty of links and you ignored them all why would I bother reposting them?

Also I never denied there were tankers in Sigonella. I have repeatedly said the only realistic way to run the mission would be with mid air refueling over the Med. Do you not understand that would mean tankers from Sigonella?

And since the you have been claiming the mission was impossible due to the lack of refueling capability does this mean that you now see it was indeed possible? Or do you still fly in the face of logic?

I've always said the timing was impossible. Not that the other aspects of the mission.

To walk people through it again.
The attack started at 9:40PM (all areas in question are in the same TZ) on a Tuesday. So no alert could have reached Sigonella and Aviano before probably just before 10PM. Air crews and pilots are recalled while a mission is formulated, at least a half hour.
Planes must be taken from cold to fully fueled and armed, at least an hour for the F-16's slightly longer for the tankers.
Tanker get s airborne and heads for station over the Med. F-16's take off but do not pass point of no return until the tanker is in position, roughly another hour.
F-16's approach tanker and refuel, another half an hour to an hour depending on numerous variables.
F-16's fly to Benghazi another half hour or so.

So the aircraft could not have reached the area until long after the consulate was evacuated but long before there was a mortar setup and with no one at the CIA compound ever seeing the mortar there is still nothing but indiscriminate bombing of a friendly town for the F-16's to do.

And finally since there was no reason to expect this attack to last 8 hours it is unlikely that such a relief plan would have been considered until it became clear this was a determined attack which wasn't apparent to anyone until the relief convoy was attacked returning to the CIA compound which pushes any such relief sortie past the time they know the relief forces from Tripoli would arrive and the evac of the CIA compound was scheduled to begin.

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So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I've always said the timing was impossible. Not that the other aspects of the mission.

To walk people through it again.
The attack started at 9:40PM (all areas in question are in the same TZ) on a Tuesday. So no alert could have reached Sigonella and Aviano before probably just before 10PM. Air crews and pilots are recalled while a mission is formulated, at least a half hour.
Planes must be taken from cold to fully fueled and armed, at least an hour for the F-16's slightly longer for the tankers.
Tanker get s airborne and heads for station over the Med. F-16's take off but do not pass point of no return until the tanker is in position, roughly another hour.
F-16's approach tanker and refuel, another half an hour to an hour depending on numerous variables.
F-16's fly to Benghazi another half hour or so.

So the aircraft could not have reached the area until long after the consulate was evacuated but long before there was a mortar setup and with no one at the CIA compound ever seeing the mortar there is still nothing but indiscriminate bombing of a friendly town for the F-16's to do.

And finally since there was no reason to expect this attack to last 8 hours it is unlikely that such a relief plan would have been considered until it became clear this was a determined attack which wasn't apparent to anyone until the relief convoy was attacked returning to the CIA compound which pushes any such relief sortie past the time they know the relief forces from Tripoli would arrive and the evac of the CIA compound was scheduled to begin.

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Ten minutes to scramble (should be less, but I"ll give you ten). 10:09

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I've always said the timing was impossible. Not that the other aspects of the mission.

To walk people through it again.
The attack started at 9:40PM (all areas in question are in the same TZ) on a Tuesday. So no alert could have reached Sigonella and Aviano before probably just before 10PM. Air crews and pilots are recalled while a mission is formulated, at least a half hour.
Planes must be taken from cold to fully fueled and armed, at least an hour for the F-16's slightly longer for the tankers.
Tanker get s airborne and heads for station over the Med. F-16's take off but do not pass point of no return until the tanker is in position, roughly another hour.
F-16's approach tanker and refuel, another half an hour to an hour depending on numerous variables.
F-16's fly to Benghazi another half hour or so.

So the aircraft could not have reached the area until long after the consulate was evacuated but long before there was a mortar setup and with no one at the CIA compound ever seeing the mortar there is still nothing but indiscriminate bombing of a friendly town for the F-16's to do.

And finally since there was no reason to expect this attack to last 8 hours it is unlikely that such a relief plan would have been considered until it became clear this was a determined attack which wasn't apparent to anyone until the relief convoy was attacked returning to the CIA compound which pushes any such relief sortie past the time they know the relief forces from Tripoli would arrive and the evac of the CIA compound was scheduled to begin.

No, you've said there were no assets available.
You said there were no planes available.
You've said if there were planes, they were out of range.
You've said there were no refuel or rearm at signolla.
You are lying again.

Repeatedly.

Now, since you're changing your story - they only thing left is to defeat you on this point. Which is easy.

First I recommend everyone review the timeline here - which is an excellent resource:http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/damning-benghazi-timeline-spreadsheet.html

It really goes to show just how bad the pre situation incompetence was.

So lets walk through the timeline.

DOD alert occured at 9:59.
Ten minutes to scramble (should be less, but I"ll give you ten). 10:09
Flight to signella: 2 hours. F-16 cruise at 549 miles per hour. Should be able to improve that since we're refueeling anyway. 12:09
Refuel, rearm: 01:17.
Flight to Benghazi: 01:57.
Time on station: 3 hours 20 minutes - which takes us till 5:17.

Daugherty and woods were killed by the miliatia between 4am and 5am. During the time f-16's could have been on station - as the chief of mission HAD REQUESTED.

Oh - and hillary clinton proclaimed to the world it was a spontaneous uprising because of the video after meeting with Obama at 4am. The spin is released at 4:30 am. When they damn well knew it wasn't since they had video feed. And testimony.
And NSA intercepts from ansar al-sharia WHILE THE ATTACK WAS HAPPENING>

BULL shit this isn't a lie. Bullshit it isn't a coverup.

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Ten minutes to scramble (should be less, but I"ll give you ten). 10:09

No, they do not lay there online loaded for distant mission to the gills.

We don't want another pearl harbor.....think about it, you got time, corporal, you will have all our equipment and manpower destroyed.

But give it a good hour to load up, then you can run over and scare the savages with a sonic boom.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

Do you really think we should keep tankers and fighter jets sitting on the tarmac fueled and armed with aircrews and pilots on ready alert 24/7? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be and how dangerous that would be?

As to disinformation being released, are you really saying the government should always release nothing but the truth even if that impedes going after the bad guys?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

Do you really think we should keep tankers and fighter jets sitting on the tarmac fueled and armed with aircrews and pilots on ready alert 24/7? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be and how dangerous that would be?

As to disinformation being released, are you really saying the government should always release nothing but the truth even if that impedes going after the bad guys?

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A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

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A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

That may be true if they could have got a platoon of Marines there before it started.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

Do you really think we should keep tankers and fighter jets sitting on the tarmac fueled and armed with aircrews and pilots on ready alert 24/7? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be and how dangerous that would be?

As to disinformation being released, are you really saying the government should always release nothing but the truth even if that impedes going after the bad guys?

A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.