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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

Do you really think we should keep tankers and fighter jets sitting on the tarmac fueled and armed with aircrews and pilots on ready alert 24/7? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be and how dangerous that would be?

As to disinformation being released, are you really saying the government should always release nothing but the truth even if that impedes going after the bad guys?

Used to be sop

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

Do you really think we should keep tankers and fighter jets sitting on the tarmac fueled and armed with aircrews and pilots on ready alert 24/7? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be and how dangerous that would be?

As to disinformation being released, are you really saying the government should always release nothing but the truth even if that impedes going after the bad guys?

A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

How many times do I have to write it, I greatly favor going back to using Marines as diplomatic security. It would be far cheaper, which would allow more personnel in each detachment, than using security contractors.

I would never complain about any administration spreading disinformation. My biggest complaint with the W administration was when his senior staff outed a CIA agent and by doing so probably outed many others, everyone with Brewster Jennings on their resume, and a whole bunch of foreign assets.

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I didn't find that site credible. My observation was "long on assertions, short on facts". I only dug in a few links deep before I gave up looking for source material.

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Of course you couldn't, the mainstream media in this country is now muzzled by Obama.
Why bother even going to white house press breifings if you can't ask the questions you want to ask without the fear of being kicked out?

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http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/05/15124-cbs-reporter-criticized-in-benghazi-coverup-brother-of-president-works-in-obama-w-h/

Well this isn't good! And I didn't know that the "Benghazzi talking points" had been changed 12 times!

And this really is bad!
So much for a "Free Press!"

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/08/22450-reporters-say-if-they-ask-about-benghazi-theyll-lose-white-house-access/

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I didn't find that site credible. My observation was "long on assertions, short on facts". I only dug in a few links deep before I gave up looking for source material.

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Of course you couldn't, the mainstream media in this country is now muzzled by Obama.
Why bother even going to white house press breifings if you can't ask the questions you want to ask without the fear of being kicked out?

Perhaps you didn't actually read my ONE LINE post. But hey, carry on.

Dude, I gave up on American MSM quite some time ago. Watching the disparity between MSM reports on Occupy and the fucking live feeds I could see of the same event from 40 different angles I knew right away that the I was looking at a total propaganda machine. But I still expect journalism out of my alternative sources not simply empty assertions. So was there any actual source material in there at all?

Insofar as reporters being warned, I'd need to know much more first. But honestly, as much as I hate Obama and would throw him in prison for treason in a heartbeat if I could the whole Benghazi thing never came up with anything that I could sink my teeth into so I relegated it to yet more political positioning. In that light it's easy to see how I would want to eventually say, "Just fucking quit it guys, I need to run a press conference here."

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So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

Do you really think we should keep tankers and fighter jets sitting on the tarmac fueled and armed with aircrews and pilots on ready alert 24/7? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be and how dangerous that would be?

As to disinformation being released, are you really saying the government should always release nothing but the truth even if that impedes going after the bad guys?

A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

How many times do I have to write it, I greatly favor going back to using Marines as diplomatic security. It would be far cheaper, which would allow more personnel in each detachment, than using security contractors.

I would never complain about any administration spreading disinformation. My biggest complaint with the W administration was when his senior staff outed a CIA agent and by doing so probably outed many others, everyone with Brewster Jennings on their resume, and a whole bunch of foreign assets.

You are aware are you not that she was outed by her husband in his book?

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Jeff,

The president of the United States after consultation with Hillary Clinton lied that this was a spontaneous uprising - when they had video footage it wasn't.

The "spontaneous" uprising was a well armed militia that came under the flags of ansar al sharia - and flying alqaieda flags. They brought ak-47's, machine guns, road blocks, and mortars.

They intimidated the libyan guards the day before and photo'd the grounds.
Clinton and obama had live video footage. They had NSA intercepts that said it was a terrorist attack - and they had live sound footage from the consulate and live talk with the deputy chief of mission.

There was additional info - too lengthy to go into here.

The fact of the matter is, Obama did not provide aid to US citizens and our embassor either before the event or doing it because it would conflict with the political narrative that he wanted to establish: ie, that terrorism was on the run under him.

He went to bed, denying americans aid, in order to gain political advantage. And if thats not enough to make you sick to your stomach - I don't know what is.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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So you are left with explain away the incompetence of not taking precautions and the attempt to pretend that it was our fault by blaming it on a video when they knew better.

Do you really think we should keep tankers and fighter jets sitting on the tarmac fueled and armed with aircrews and pilots on ready alert 24/7? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be and how dangerous that would be?

As to disinformation being released, are you really saying the government should always release nothing but the truth even if that impedes going after the bad guys?

A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

How many times do I have to write it, I greatly favor going back to using Marines as diplomatic security. It would be far cheaper, which would allow more personnel in each detachment, than using security contractors.

I would never complain about any administration spreading disinformation. My biggest complaint with the W administration was when his senior staff outed a CIA agent and by doing so probably outed many others, everyone with Brewster Jennings on their resume, and a whole bunch of foreign assets.

You are aware are you not that she was outed by her husband in his book?

Only in right wing fantasies.

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Jeff,

The president of the United States after consultation with Hillary Clinton lied that this was a spontaneous uprising - when they had video footage it wasn't.

The "spontaneous" uprising was a well armed militia that came under the flags of ansar al sharia - and flying alqaieda flags. They brought ak-47's, machine guns, road blocks, and mortars.

They intimidated the libyan guards the day before and photo'd the grounds.
Clinton and obama had live video footage. They had NSA intercepts that said it was a terrorist attack - and they had live sound footage from the consulate and live talk with the deputy chief of mission.

There was additional info - too lengthy to go into here.

The fact of the matter is, Obama did not provide aid to US citizens and our embassor either before the event or doing it because it would conflict with the political narrative that he wanted to establish: ie, that terrorism was on the run under him.

He went to bed, denying americans aid, in order to gain political advantage. And if thats not enough to make you sick to your stomach - I don't know what is.

You cannot actually believe that crazy shit.

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However, it s absolutely true that the talking points were altered more than 12 times. I've read the entire set of emails that were released as part of the process - you can google them yourself.

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A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

That may be true if they could have got a platoon of Marines there before it started.

Like when the British pulled out the week before because of the bombs outside of both embassies the week before.
This comes under taking no precautions.

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A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

That may be true if they could have got a platoon of Marines there before it started.

Like when the British pulled out the week before because of the bombs outside of both embassies the week before.
This comes under taking no precautions.

You havent answered the question regarding your claim. As for closing your mission, there`s another thread on here were some of you are accussing the President of scaremongering for doing just that. Odd that those of you who bash Obama constantly give Bush a free pass re the 9/11 intel and the illegal invasion of Iraq.

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A Platoon of marines would have stopped it cold.
To hear you lying is good if Dems do it , bad if Reps do.

That may be true if they could have got a platoon of Marines there before it started.

Like when the British pulled out the week before because of the bombs outside of both embassies the week before.
This comes under taking no precautions.

You havent answered the question regarding your claim. As for closing your mission, there`s another thread on here were some of you are accussing the President of scaremongering for doing just that. Odd that those of you who bash Obama constantly give Bush a free pass re the 9/11 intel and the illegal invasion of Iraq.

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Ah, no. Its only in left wing fantasies where they pretend

a). That Valeria Plame wasn't outed long before. I knew of it at least 2 years before the supposed 'outing'. Why do you think Joe wilson was suggested to go on that yellow cake mission - because his wife put him up for it.
b). That the rule for outing 'agents' applies to analysts based in DC.

you know - you don't out agents so they don't die in enemy lands. I don't think valerie plame was under any danger working in DC, do you?

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And the fact of the matter is the president is stonewalling.

Where were all 693 of our air tankers- especially the ones in sigonella since the administration said none were available.

Where were the gunships - since the last know posting was to libya?

What happened to the dedicated DC-3 that used to be on security detail with stephens?

Or the cut down in security staff from 16 to 4?
The president is a liar and it is firmly and incontrovertibly established.

LIAR

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I didn't claim we did or should have closed Benghazi.
The British closed their embassy a week before the attack because bombs were set off in front of both embassies.
The administration should have sent in marines at that time.
What can't you understand?
By the way when have you seen me talk about either of those situations.
Is this another of your infamous attempts to derail a thread.
Or are you employing what I call the OJ defense. Since OJ got away with it my ex wife should be worried, After all by your logic people should now get a free pass for killing their wife.

Firstly, the British Embassy in Benghazi pulled our staff out in June after a rocket attack on our ambassadors convoy, so your facts on that score are incorrect.

Secondly, Are you seriously comparing the loss of life in Iraq with some bullshit scenario regards OJ Simpson......laughable stuff.

Thirdly, As for me derailing a thread, thats an easy charge to throw at anyone who disagrees with you. Since I have never been pulled up for it, I suggest you are talking bollocks yet again.

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