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Marc2b -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 12:24:14 PM)
quote: As am I. The last girl I dated had a 10 year old daughter and I was the one who picked her up from school every day. For the first week I had to deal with teachers calling her mother to make sure it was okay for me to pick her up. It was probably another week or two before all the teachers began to remember me. But I didn't let that bother me. In fact, I was more pleased that they actually did check up on me just because I wanted to know they were watching out for her. Fact is, men have been the primary suspect for every kind of crime since the dawn of civilization. If you haven't accepted that by now then you're way behind the curve and possibly being a little naive. My advice? Man up and deal with it or gracefully remove yourself from the situation. Men are responsible for most crimes therefore I should accept being profiled and discriminated against? Bullshit! Sure, checking up on an unknown guy picking up a girl at a school is one thing. When a man can't enjoy a lunch at a restaurant with his little niece or is made to feel uncomfortable by society if he wants to sit and relax near a playground, then something is wrong with society. If you think that is acceptable then you are the one who needs to man up.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 12:31:56 PM)
quote: Men are responsible for most crimes therefore I should accept being profiled and discriminated against You would never see this said if blacks or muslims were treated in such phobic ways in the airlines. Such as most terrorists have been muslims or most criminals have been black on flights. Therefore, we should all happily discriminate them. It's amazing how people can be so perfectly fine with double standards. In today's western societies, if there is discrimination against men, it never ceases to amaze me how people will always come up with excuses for it. While if there appears to be discrimination against minority groups or women, NO EXCUSES, ITS EVIL AND HAS TO STOP STRAIGHT AWAY! When it comes to things like this and the attitudes behind it, people should question the claim on male privilege.

Marc2b -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 12:49:51 PM)
quote: You would never see this said if blacks or muslims were treated in such phobic ways in the airlines. Blacks and Muslims ARE treated in such phobic ways, not just at airports but in many areas of society. quote: Such as most terrorists have been muslims or most criminals have been black on flights. Therefore, we should all happily discriminate them. Most terrorists have been Muslims? Are you sure about that? Or are Muslim terrorists merely the ones you focus on. The IRA are not Muslim. The Ku Klux Klan are not Muslim. There are plenty of non-Muslim terrorist groups. As for most criminmals on flights being Black, that is the first time I've heard of this. Do you have a reliable source that backs this up. quote: It's amazing how people can be so perfectly fine with double standards. In today's western societies, if there is discrimination against men, it never ceases to amaze me how people will always come up with excuses for it. While if there appears to be discrimination against minority groups or women, NO EXCUSES, ITS EVIL AND HAS TO STOP STRAIGHT AWAY! When it comes to things like this and the attitudes behind it, people should question the claim on male privilege. While I won't disagree that there are some double standards White men still have to deal with far less discriminatory attitudes and policies than women or Black people or other minorities. White privilege and male privilege are quite real. As much as the incident in the restaurant with my little niece pissed me off, I am aware that I have to put up with a lot less shit than your average woman or Black person.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 3:59:44 PM)
quote: Blacks and Muslims ARE treated in such phobic ways, not just at airports but in many areas of society. Really? At such blatant, shameless ways such as this example? Care to give examples? quote: Most terrorists have been Muslims? Are you sure about that? Yes, I am at this modern age. We're not talking about what happened a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. We are taking about now, in the present. In year 2013, most terrorists are muslims. You are free to tell us what other groups of people go around making attacks at the same rate as muslims in this modern day and age. quote: As for most criminmals on flights being Black, that is the first time I've heard of this. Do you have a reliable source that backs this up. I never intended this to be a claim, I was being hypothetical. "If" black people are more likely to commit crimes than white people, it still wouldn't pass for airlines to create phobic policies against black people. quote: White men still have to deal with far less discriminatory attitudes and policies than women or Black people or other minorities. White privilege and male privilege are quite real You're displaying one against white men now. It's having a prejudice and stereotypical attitude against every white male to assume they are holding all this privilege and somehow have these invisible force fields that stops discrimination affecting them. Therefore, any discriminatory attitudes that appear against them, we should all be blithe about it. That said, it's a discriminatory attitude within it's self to downplay or attempt to invalidate a white man speaking up about issues that affect his group simply because other white men are discriminators. Women and minority groups aren't innocent angels. No gender is better than the other. No race is better than the other. People from every gender or race can be discriminatory against someone different. It's a part of humanity unfortunately. Nothing to do with being a white male. Unfortunately, many people point fingers at white males for being discriminators while ignoring all the rest of the discrimination. It's like we are deemed as the only ones who can do evil. Shoving these heavy labels on white men has gotten to the point of marginalisation. Warren Farrell explains it well in this video. Men: The New Second Class Citizens

Politesub53 -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 4:44:00 PM)
Nick one airline doesnt make it a world wide conspiracy....... The fact remains most sex crimes (almost all) are carried out by other men.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 5:09:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b ...you are the one who needs to man up. Sorry. I don't speak "victim".

angelikaJ -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 5:15:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 To add, another good example how society views men. Men are ebil, I tell ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZAuqkqxk9A You have an idea as to what the problems are, my question to you is: As an enlightened male, what are you personally doing about it to fix the issues? http://www.batteredmen.com/index.htm http://www.menweb.org/

DesFIP -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/15/2013 6:48:34 PM)
My daughter was horse mad from age 4 up. Over the years, there have been various occasions when we've had to call the police because a strange man would come up to a small girl in a far paddock and prevent her from going back to the barn. In the 20 years she's been associated with this one riding academy there have been exactly zero times when a girl was isolated by a strange female. And there have been several occasions over the years when arsonists went around lighting barns on fire during the night. They were all male. Most of these crimes are committed by men.

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/16/2013 4:47:54 AM)
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Marc2b -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/16/2013 8:13:17 AM)
quote: Really? At such blatant, shameless ways such as this example? Care to give examples? Muslims have frequently had to deal with discrimination from the airlines. Here is just one example. As for black people, are you blind? Black people frequently face discrimination when applying for loans, renting an apartment or just shopping in an upper class store. John Quinones has even made a successful series of tv shows about it. In one episode some black men, sleeping in a car, generated more calls to the police that three white boys vandalizing a car. quote: Yes, I am at this modern age. We're not talking about what happened a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. We are taking about now, in the present. In year 2013, most terrorists are muslims. You are free to tell us what other groups of people go around making attacks at the same rate as muslims in this modern day and age. Oklahoma City was NOT a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Your dismissal on non-Muslim terrorism does not make it magically go away. An FBI study of terrorist attacks on American soil between 1980 and 2005 shows that the vast majority of terrorist attacks are non-Muslin. quote: I never intended this to be a claim, I was being hypothetical. "If" black people are more likely to commit crimes than white people, it still wouldn't pass for airlines to create phobic policies against black people. Do you have proof that black people commit more crimes than white people? And don't bother pointing to higher conviction and incarceration rates. Pointing to the results of the justice system disproportionately targeting minorities is not proof. quote: You're displaying one against white men now. It's having a prejudice and stereotypical attitude against every white male to assume they are holding all this privilege and somehow have these invisible force fields that stops discrimination affecting them. Therefore, any discriminatory attitudes that appear against them, we should all be blithe about it. Oh bullshit. I am not denying that racial bigotry against white people exist but the fact of the matter is that white racism and black racism are not on an equal footing. As a white man my chances of being arrested are less than a black man. So are my chances of conviction. In fact, my whiteness has already benefited me when it comes to run ins with the law. When I was a teenager, me and three friends were at the county fair. We ducked behind a tent to smoke a joint and were busted by a state trooper. Our pot was confiscated and our parents called. No charges were filed and our only "penalties" were being banned from the fair for the rest of that year and being grounded by our parents. I remember reading in the paper (my mother pointed it out to me to show me how lucky I was) about some other teenagers that got busted for pot at the fair. They were arrested and charged with possession. I don't remember the outcome but they were facing fines and possible jail time. Do I have to go on? Do I really? You know what comes next. Everyone knows. Hell, I can walk to the corner store, by some candy and a drink and walk home - at night! - reasonably certain that no one will look at me, judge me to be a punk and an asshole up to no good because of my skin color, and start shit that results in me ending up dead on the ground. quote: That said, it's a discriminatory attitude within it's self to downplay or attempt to invalidate a white man speaking up about issues that affect his group simply because other white men are discriminators. Freedom of speech cuts both ways. If you don't like what you are saying being criticized... don't say it. Also, it is likewise discriminatory to downplay or attempt to invalidate a minority speaking up about issues that affect their group simply because other minorities don't meet with your approval for whatever reason. quote: Women and minority groups aren't innocent angels. This statement is meaningless. No one should be judged upon their "membership" in a group based upon skin color or gender. Such groups are arbitrary and, in any case, do not have a monopoly on either virtue or vice. quote: No gender is better than the other. No race is better than the other. People from every gender or race can be discriminatory against someone different. It's a part of humanity unfortunately. Nothing to do with being a white male. Unfortunately, many people point fingers at white males for being discriminators while ignoring all the rest of the discrimination. It's like we are deemed as the only ones who can do evil. If you actually listened to what minorities are saying you'd know that no one (the occasional nutcase not withstanding) is claiming that whites are the only one's who can do evil. What you fail to realize is that white people (white men in particular) still hold the majority of power in our society and therefore white discrimination and minority discrimination are not on an equal footing. Pointing that out is not being discriminatory against you. quote: Shoving these heavy labels on white men has gotten to the point of marginalisation. Warren Farrell explains it well in this video. Men: The New Second Class Citizens Will Farrell is a boring idiot and I'm not wasting fifteen minutes of my time on him.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/16/2013 7:53:03 PM)
quote: Muslims have frequently had to deal with discrimination from the airlines. Here is just one example. You call this blatant? lol Firstly, there is no proof that it was done because they were simply muslims. If this was the case, they would be doing this to every muslim. That said, people from every background get pulled aside unfairly all the time and harassed. If you switch on your TV and watch them border security shows, you will see it all the time. It's normal to see this happen to white people all the time. quote: As for black people, are you blind? Black people frequently face discrimination when applying for loans, renting an apartment or just shopping in an upper class store When people make these wild accusations, they don't stop to realise that they are doing the same type of wrong as what they are complaining about, which is generalising white people and making out most white people are evil racists. This is no better than claiming most black people are evil one way or the other. 99 percent of the time when people whine about blacks/minority races being discriminated against, it's usually fuelled with hyperbole such as what you're displaying here. Yes, racism against blacks does exist, but guess what? It also happens to white people and people from every other race on the planet. No use pointing your finger only when it's white people being the racists which seems to be the trend. People from every other race are just as guilty. No race is more innocent than the other. 90 something percent of blacks voted for Obama in last election. I am not going to generalise and say most votes were due to racism, but there would be racism amongst them votes. quote: Oklahoma City was NOT a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Your dismissal on non-Muslim terrorism does not make it magically go away. An FBI study of terrorist attacks on American soil between 1980 and 2005 shows that the vast majority of terrorist attacks are non-Muslin. Please come up with some proof that any other group of people commit more attacks than muslims around the world? I bet you can't! Here, educate your self. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#PriorYears I am confident to bet you every cent in my wallet that you can't come up with any other group that comes even close to committing terrorist attacks at the same rate as muslims in this modern age. quote: Do you have proof that black people commit more crimes than white people? And don't bother pointing to higher conviction and incarceration rates. Pointing to the results of the justice system disproportionately targeting minorities is not proof. As I said, I never made this as a claim, learn to read. I just simply created a scenario and pointed out that if it was proven that black people committed crimes at a higher rate than white people, would it be given a pass for airlines to treat black people differently based on that? quote: As a white man my chances of being arrested are less than a black man. So are my chances of conviction. In fact, my whiteness has already benefited me when it comes to run ins with the law. This is nothing more than liberal logical fallacy. It's all based on assumption rather than actual fact, actual proof, actual hard evidence. Similar to pay gap. People have stats while ignoring the big picture behind it. It's easier to just squeal sexism or racism instead of examining the technicalities behind it. You know that other thread I made about academia? Most of the hysteria about racism comes from such sources. It is also again claiming most white cops are evil racists. Just imagine if I was to say most black cops are evil racists after to discriminate whites? It never ceases to amaze me how its so easy to generalise whites/white men without people seeing any discrimination in it whatsoever. But when the tables are turned, BANG, within a split second, OMG racism! quote: Freedom of speech cuts both ways. If you don't like what you are saying being criticized... don't say it As I've mentioned in here, people are perfectly welcome to openly disagree with me. But what bothers me is when people think I'm not entitled to the opinion. quote: Also, it is likewise discriminatory to downplay or attempt to invalidate a minority speaking up about issues that affect their group simply because other minorities don't meet with your approval for whatever reason. I don't downplay discrimination against minority groups because some other people from minority groups are evil. I downplay it when I see hyperbole. That's not discriminatory, what's discriminatory is when I punish a whole race from speaking up about their issues because a minority from their race have done evil. quote: What you fail to realize is that white people (white men in particular) still hold the majority of power in our society and therefore white discrimination and minority discrimination are not on an equal footing. Pointing that out is not being discriminatory against you. Why are they called minority groups again? Could it be that them being the minority means they are the minority of people going for these powerful positions in society? It's not the fault of whites living in this day and age that there are more of them then there are people from minority races. If there are 10 whites and 5 blacks going for the same position, who is more likely to get it? Anyway, I would just like to point out that using whites/white men as scapegoats for other people's failures is a perfect example of anti white/white male discrimination. Of course, whites out there do discriminate people from minority groups. But it's discrimination against whites/white men it's self to use them as a scapegoat every time someone from a minority group fails in getting where they want to be. Whites/white men get rejected jobs all the time. Every day, every minute, every second while the world turns. What is the reason why they get rejected? Could it be for the same reasons why people from minority races get rejected? All in all, white privilege or white male privilege is nothing more than an apex fallacy.

tweakabelle -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 12:25:42 AM)
quote: Please come up with some proof that any other group of people commit more attacks than muslims around the world? I bet you can't! Here, educate your self. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#PriorYears Please excuse interrupting your rant with a fact or two but .... Both the US and UK militaries have been involved in conflicts somewhere or other on the planet virtually continuously since the end of World War II. The French aren't far behind. Between them, these three put Islamist fanatics (NOT muslims) into the kindergarten grade. I know facts are not something that you are either over familiar with or fond of but a little basic knowledge does help in putting one's case. So please take your own advice and educate yourself before making such false idiotic claims in future.

tweakabelle -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 2:31:22 AM)
quote: quote: quote: Most terrorists have been Muslims? Are you sure about that? Yes, I am at this modern age. We're not talking about what happened a loifong long time ago in a galaxy far far away. We are taking about now, in the present. In year 2013, most terrorists are muslims. You are free to tell us what other groups of people go around making attacks at the same rate as muslims in this modern day and age I don't have figures worldwide for 'terrorist' attacks but even inside the US, where Islamist terrorism is popularly seen as the most prevalent form of terrorism, Islamist terrorism only accounts for 6% of all terrorist attacks between 1970 and 2005, according to FBI stats: "According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company." http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html The analysis quoted above is eye-opening reading for any one genuinely interested in acquainting themselves with the true data on terrorism. I for one had never heard of Jewish terrorism in the US but the data reveals it to be more prevalent than Islamist terrorism. From the same article: "Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims. In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks."

Termyn8or -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 3:02:05 AM)
Tweaky hows come you keep feeding the guy who always gets thrown out of FL. You know their allegations right ? Which is it ? T^T

Jonc101 -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 4:14:06 AM)
Nick's on the money! We're not all living in Dogsballs, Arkansas where a rabid dog is the biggest 'terrorist' in years. The global reach of Islamic jihadis is a daily occurrence. From West Africa, across the north, even into Egypt as we write. From there, the Middle and Near East, Europe, S.E.Asia etc etc. I'm surprised Americans seem to have forgotten their own large terrorist attack in 9/11........but maybe the news has yet to reach Dogsballs, Arkansas. Gotta larf!!!

Jonc101 -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 4:20:37 AM)
All Muslim terrorist data on this US Terrorism map:- http://www.investigativeproject.org/maps.php

Lucylastic -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 4:24:03 AM)
Arent most of the terrorists male??? PSSSSSSSSSSSSSST IPT only does islamic terrorist groups, ignores all others, which is the point of Tweaks post SNORTS violently Now can we get back to the Anti male bigotry topic??? LMFAO

tweakabelle -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 4:33:08 AM)
quote: Termyn8or Tweaky hows come you keep feeding the guy who always gets thrown out of FL. You know their allegations right ? No idea what happened at FL. I rarely visit that site anymore. Care to enlighten me? It's not the notorious Farmer Jon is it?

tazzygirl -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 8:05:31 AM)
lol.... I think he arrived on this thread. [;)]

Zonie63 -> RE: Anti male bigotry exposed (8/17/2013 8:48:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jonc101 Nick's on the money! We're not all living in Dogsballs, Arkansas where a rabid dog is the biggest 'terrorist' in years. The global reach of Islamic jihadis is a daily occurrence. From West Africa, across the north, even into Egypt as we write. From there, the Middle and Near East, Europe, S.E.Asia etc etc. I'm surprised Americans seem to have forgotten their own large terrorist attack in 9/11........but maybe the news has yet to reach Dogsballs, Arkansas. Gotta larf!!! I had never heard of Dogsballs, Arkansas, so I decided to do a Google search, but all I got was a list of news articles about a man from Arkansas who woke up to find his dog eating one of his testicles.

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