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AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/23/2013 9:45:06 PM)

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I'm sorry you've become emotionally entangled with someone selfish and stupid.

Get rid of her. Immediately. Honest talks and setting limits are all well and good, but when someone is so stupid and/or selfish that she sees recovery from alcoholism to be nothing more than an inconvenience, she is dangerous. No kink is more important that your sobriety - we're talking death and destitution as the worst possible outcomes if you start drinking again. Worst possible outcomes of leaving this woman? Well, you'll be single for a while. I know which I'd choose.

Take the kink out of it for a moment - if someone at your meeting said that their girlfriend was pressuring them to drink because she thought it would be a fun thing for them to do together, what advice would people give?

You are 22. You have a whole lot of life ahead of you, and you want that life to be good, right? There will be other women. There will be better women, with brains and hearts intact. Leave before there's marriages to dissolve, property to divide up and kids to traumatise. I very much doubt she will stay with you if you relapse - if your meetings take up too much time, how will she cope with a relationship with a relapsed alcoholic? So you'll be drunk and alone.

She doesn't believe it's a disease? Well too bad. She doesn't get a vote. Be sure to point out when she gets sick that you don't believe in her illness either, and so she shouldn't get treatment.

This is not a dom/sub issue, this is a responsible human/healthy relationship issue. The fact that you didn't mention this as a hard limit up front is irrelevant. You're not just bringing this up to get out of a dull chore, it's an actual serious problem. No one can think of every possible kink ahead of time and be expected to have a comprehensive list of limits, so if she's holding that over your head, further proof she's incapable of having a sub at this time. Go find a dom who likes to play with her toys, not break them.

I realise I'm making her out to be a bad person here - she is - but she might not always be. I'm guessing she's young because you are. It may be that she's just behind the curve in terms of maturity and is using being a domme to mask that. But don't let yourself be the person she makes her mistakes with, life is too precious.

Good luck, stay strong.




Gauge -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/23/2013 9:47:58 PM)

First my background. I have been sober for 13 years and let me tell you something, no one will control my recovery but me, I don't give a fuck who they are to me. I was a raging alcoholic and towards the end of my drinking I was drinking about a half-gallon of vodka a day. I was hardcore and lucky to be alive today.

You have said a few things here that I want to address, but if you don't want some harsh words don't read the rest of this post. I am deadly serious when it comes to sobriety, but I assure you that I care deeply about your situation and I am doing what I do best which is help others to stay sober.

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My Mistress want's to try doing "forced intoxication" with me. I am a recovering alcoholic and I have not had a drink in over a year. She know's this.


She knows that you are a recovering alcoholic and wants to force you to drink? This tells you everything you need to know about her. I am not on the "she is an idiot" side of things... my words would get me thrown out of here in a fucking second. Suffice it to say that no one will take my choice from me against my will, kink, no kink, gun, no gun, it is my choice, my decision to make. If someone held a gun to my head and forced me to drink, I would eat a bullet. I will die sober, thank you very much.

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I don't want to relapse and risk going back to my old way's of drinking.


Then don't. Grow a pair and say no... and be damned if you feel like you are disobeying her. In fact, get right in her face and tell her fuck no that you would rather die than drink again... because for you to drink again would be death. I know it sure would be for me.

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I never mentioned this as a hard limit at first because the issue never came up. What should I do? I also don't want to disobey my Mistress. I should have brought this issue up when I was first owned but that was my mistake.


You did bring this up with her. You told her you were in recovery. You made no mistake. The person making the mistake is the person that wants to force you to drink again. If you go to a party and someone offers you a drink, do you drink it or turn them down? This is no different. Stop the kink shit and get serious about your recovery and stand up to her.

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She does not believe alcoholism is a disease.


I wrote an English paper for college and my argument was that alcoholism was not a disease. Here I am several years later and I am here to tell you that I was dead wrong. Alcoholism is a disease and the only single cure for it is to not drink again. Yes change the behavior and all the other happy horseshit, but if you starve the addiction it dies. What remains is the addictive personality and our reasons for drinking in the first place. You are one drink away from getting all of that shit back in your life and you don't know what to do? Please... stop the nonsense. You know what to do, so do it.

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She let's me go to my meeting's but she think's they are taking up too much of my time. Those meeting's are what helped me to stop drinking in the first place.


No, you stopped the drinking, no one did that for you... you did it. Own that strength of character. The meetings give you support, that is all they can do and they work directly proportionate to the amount of hard work you put into them. You are in control, not your addiction... never let anyone tell you otherwise.

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I do wish some meeting's would be more understanding of kink but I don't feel comfortable about mentioning this part of me. I have found being a slave in recovery can be difficult at time's.


Bullshit. Hear me out... I told you I don't play around and I meant it. Being in recovery can be very hard at times for everyone, not just slaves, not lawyers, garbage men, or professional fishermen... it is tough for people to work through their addictions. And frankly, your kink has little to nothing to do with your recovery. There is no need to share your kink with anyone that doesn't understand it unless it directly ties in to your sobriety, that is the only time it matters.

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I know I can't return to the way I use to drink. It's almost keeping too many secrets. I can't talking about my kink around people in meeting's unless I know they don't care.


Look, you need to own who you are and you need to identify your defects of personality, being a slave isn't a defect... is it? Of course it isn't, but it is a significant part of who you are and how you conduct yourself, but I said this before, unless it directly impacts your sobriety the two are completely different. I never once went to a meeting and talked about kink. I never cared to talk about it nor did I see how that would be relevant to helping someone else, or myself, stay sober. Don't be ashamed of who you are for sure, but you don't have to crow about it from the rooftops either.

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I can't really talk about my alcoholism around too many people as most could care less to hear it.


Again, don't be ashamed of who you are. You are in recovery and it is important to you. People talk about things that are important to them, I see nothing wrong about talking about recovery, but I also know that reaction that some people have... so you can talk about it with friends that know you, but in casual conversation? Best to talk about the weather. Talk recovery with others in recovery... then you will get somewhere.

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What is a recovering alcoholic in kink suppose to do?


The same thing that a circus clown in recovery should do, maintain your sobriety at all costs. Oops... I said it... "AT ALL COSTS" Yep, sell out to it and the minute that you lose that focus you are in trouble.

In my first few months of recovery I came down with pneumonia. I had been going to three meetings a day, and I knew I wasn't going to make all three, but I got my ass out of that bed and dragged myself to a meeting and I was fucking sick as a dog. Someone at the meeting came up to me and asked me if I was so sick, why the hell did I come to a meeting and shouldn't I be in bed? My answer was simple. I told them that I would have been drinking if I had pneumonia, so why the hell couldn't I make it to a meeting if I would be drinking? Nothing could keep me from drinking, and I wasn't going to let anything or anyone stop me from my recovery.

The bottom line here is a simple one. Stop the wishy-washy garbage and grow a spine. If your recovery is important to you, then you have got to fight for it because no one else will do it for you. If it costs you your relationship with your Mistress, so be it. There are other, more fucking sensible ones out there that wouldn't put you in this despicable position. Shame on her. She caused this problem, not you. You are no more subject to her whims regarding your recovery than you would be to my whims, your mailman's whims or anyone else you can think of. Fuck her title, fuck her reckless disregard to something important to you, fuck her in general. I don't pull punches or play games with this shit, and neither should you. I have had to stand up in the face of some things in my recovery that some people would have crumbled under and gone back to the bottle. You know what, the people that know me and know what I have been through in the last 13 years continually tell me that they are amazed that I didn't start drinking again. I could have started again and no one would have blamed me... except for one person... me. I would blame me. I know better. I know what I can and cannot do. If I could stand up under some really tough emotional stress and disastrous circumstances, you can sit there, look at your mistress and tell her respectfully, no... I am not going to drink. You tell her respectfully that you do not care what she thinks about your meetings, your disease or your recovery, you will not drink. You tell her that if it ends your relationship then that is OK with you because if you started drinking again, your relationship wouldn't matter anymore anyway. Of course you could take the direct approach and tell her to go play hide and go fuck herself.

You need someone to talk to? PM me on the other side. I don't sugar coat anything so beware, but I will also stand by you as long as you are doing the work you are supposed to be doing. I care. If I didn't care I would not have written this post. This is serious life and death shit and it is important that you get it right the first time.






WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/23/2013 10:00:17 PM)

She's not an idiot. She's a self indulgent bitch - and I can't remember the last time I was that point blank and vulgar about my opinion.





MistressDarkArt -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/23/2013 10:45:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

She's not an idiot. She's a self indulgent bitch - and I can't remember the last time I was that point blank and vulgar about my opinion.




I'd go so far as saying she is a C U Next Tuesday. A good dominant cares for her toys, and doesn't break them.




Lucylastic -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 12:01:57 AM)

I agree with MDA....cept I would definitely call her one ....


OP I would invite your domme to read the responses to this page, except it probably would not bode well for youso Im not going to, but anyone that screws with your need to recover isnt someone who you should ever have in your life.
Gauge said a LOT of momentous stuff, especially this....
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say no... and be damned if you feel like you are disobeying her. In fact, get right in her face and tell her fuck no that you would rather die than drink again

The fact she knows you are in recovery and whinges about your time at the meetings, shows she has no idea of its importance to you. Ignorant bitch.
Meetings dont work for everyone, they didnt for my husband, but to take that course for you is evil, stupid willfully ugly step to take with you.




Gauge -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 11:02:32 AM)

Of course, something that didn't occur to me until now is that maybe she is testing your resolve for recovery. Granted it is a stretch, but it could be what she is doing. Either way your response to her must be that you will not, under any circumstances, jeopardize your sobriety.




Lucylastic -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 11:24:05 AM)

I thought of that too, a mind fuck kind of game, but its still not doing him any good, mentally obviously...




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 12:11:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissToYouRedux




I'm joining the "she's an idiot" group.




Me too. Please leave. You *know* you have to, that's why you started this thread, to get some support. You know darn well you can't stay with someone who 'doesn't believe in alcoholism' and wants to screw with your life to this extent. You know this in your heart.

Best, CP




MariaB -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 1:25:35 PM)

Perhaps your Domme is testing you to see if your weak. Say, 'its absolutely not going to happen' and see how she reacts. You may be pleasantly surprised, though from what you have said about her not liking you attending your AA meetings, I'm doubtful the response will be a positive one.




MissToYouRedux -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 5:14:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Perhaps your Domme is testing you to see if your weak. Say, 'its absolutely not going to happen' and see how she reacts. You may be pleasantly surprised, though from what you have said about her not liking you attending your AA meetings, I'm doubtful the response will be a positive one.



And if she thinks an alcoholic is going to be more attentive to her than a guy in AA, she's wrong. He'll already have his "primary".




stef -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 5:15:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

She's not an idiot. She's a self indulgent bitch.

The two are not mutually exclusive.




hlen5 -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 9:34:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Itsthetruth

My Mistress want's to try doing "forced intoxication" with me. I am a recovering alcoholic and I have not had a drink in over a year. She know's this.


Anyone who would convince a recovering alcoholic to drink is a dishonorable and unworthy person. Step away from the psycho now!




hlen5 -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/24/2013 9:37:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Itsthetruth

I do wish some meeting's would be more understanding of kink but I don't feel comfortable about mentioning this part of me. I have found being a slave in recovery can be difficult at time's. I know I can't return to the way I use to drink. It's almost keeping too many secrets. I can't talking about my kink around people in meeting's unless I know they don't care. I can't really talk about my alcoholism around too many people as most could care less to hear it. That's why I finally came on here. What is a recovering alcoholic in kink suppose to do? I have heard of recovery meeting's for those in fetish in particular but those meeting's are still new and far apart.


Fetlife has groups for anything you can think of. Surely they have Slaves in recovery over there.




lizi -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/25/2013 10:31:17 AM)

Wow Gauge. What a thorough and passionate reply...thanks, I enjoyed reading it.

OP, there is no good reason to do this or even pretend that it's ok to trifle with. If her motive IS a mind game, that is not acceptable, as is no other reason to do it. You don't fuck with your sobriety, period. Whatever she 'believes' doesn't mean diddly squat if it's not conducive to what you believe- in this area you get to be completely selfish.

It doesn't matter if you never brought it up as a hard limit earlier, you did now. If she's giving you any resistance on how you are doing things for your recovery then have a talk, and if she continues to question you, then it's time to set her loose. After all, what good would you be to her drunk? Go now and have the choice of being a good, sober, partner to someone who supports you in something that is of the utmost importance to you.




DarkSteven -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/25/2013 11:34:02 AM)

Forced intoxication would be a horrible idea, period. her doing it to a recovering alcoholic is treating a human life as worthless.

I think she's deliberately trying to destroy your life.

That said, her motivation doesn't matter. All that matters is that you dump the psycho bitch. Now.




kalikshama -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/25/2013 11:48:19 AM)

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She does not believe alcoholism is a disease.

You don't have to believe in the disease model of alcoholism (as I don't) to realize that "Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery" is dangerous and irresponsible.

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She let's me go to my meeting's but she think's they are taking up too much of my time.

I've chosen to not date people who spent what I considered an inordinant amount of time going to meetings, but I would never interfer with someone's recovery.

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Those meeting's are what helped me to stop drinking in the first place.

Keep going back!




kalikshama -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/25/2013 11:52:10 AM)

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I do wish some meeting's would be more understanding of kink


I don't see this as a kink issue. I see this as an issue of you needing to realize that when people are toxic to you the healthy thing to do is to cut them out of your life, despite what your little head is telling you.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/25/2013 12:02:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Itsthetruth

I do wish some meeting's would be more understanding of kink but I don't feel comfortable about mentioning this part of me. I have found being a slave in recovery can be difficult at time's. I know I can't return to the way I use to drink. It's almost keeping too many secrets. I can't talking about my kink around people in meeting's unless I know they don't care. I can't really talk about my alcoholism around too many people as most could care less to hear it. That's why I finally came on here. What is a recovering alcoholic in kink suppose to do? I have heard of recovery meeting's for those in fetish in particular but those meeting's are still new and far apart.




If you are seriously concerned about talking about kink in the rooms, there are kink friendly therapists you can go to. You can attend skype meetings, and you can tell her about alanon. Many of us on the boards are in recovery. They are not mutually exclusive.

Good luck,
sunshine




sexyred1 -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/25/2013 3:12:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Itsthetruth

She does not believe alcoholism is a disease. She let's me go to my meeting's but she think's they are taking up too much of my time. Those meeting's are what helped me to stop drinking in the first place.


I won't even read the rest of this thread. Your Mistress is an asshole and dangerous.

God, some people really need to be slapped. Not you, her.




hlen5 -> RE: Forced intoxication fetish while in recovery (8/25/2013 4:25:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I won't even read the rest of this thread. Your Mistress is an asshole and dangerous.

God, some people really need to be slapped. Not you, her.


Him, only if he considers drinking for her. Run Dude, run!!




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