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Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 1:44:24 PM   
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder -- NPD -- runs rampant among doms/masters/tops in the BDSM community.

Have you learned to perceive the signs of a narcissist before it is too late?
See this article:
5 Early Warning Signs You're With A Narcissist

Surrender is by continuous free choice from self will.

Mastery is not imposed oppression over another, but mastery of one's self. Mastery is not externally proving your worth or esteem. It is mastery of one's self which inspires respect, deference, and surrender from another for whom submission is their natural disposition.

A narcissist says "obey", and pursues the ego rush of pushing down another person to make themself feel higher, to compensate for their own lack of self control and self mastery. A narcissist selfishly takes, or steals, just as does a poor and weak person who cannot legitimately earn anything on their own. A narcissist abuses until there is nothing left to abuse, causing defensiveness, barriers, and obstacles to intimacy. A narcissist becomes addicted to the false ego association between oppression and greatness.

An evolved master of self says, "I am honored and thank you for sharing so much of yourself with me." A humble master accepts in appreciation, what is shared as an expression of deep unconditional love. A master of self understands that by inspiring generosity, openness, intimacy, the love and energy grows as the obstacles are diminished. The wise master knows that fulfillment does not come from the surrender of another, but arises in the only place it is ever felt, one's very own heart.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 2:00:32 PM   
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I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Was there something you wanted to discuss?

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 2:06:25 PM   
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I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Was there something you wanted to discuss?

You should be thanking him, not questioning him. It's rare that we're treated to such meaningful instruction.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 2:10:28 PM   
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You forgot one. A narcissist thinks everybody wants to hear what he has to say.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 2:11:33 PM   
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You forgot one. A narcissist thinks everybody wants to hear what he has to say.

K.


You mean they don't and I've been wrong all these years?
Aw fuck.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 3:10:10 PM   
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My query is this: How did you come upon your original premise-
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder -- NPD -- runs rampant among doms/masters/tops in the BDSM community.


Are you qualified to diagnose it?

I know it is a popular diagnosis mentioned quite a bit here on the boards, but I think diagnosing people we have never met, especially when we are not qualified to do so and are only getting a one-sided presentation of a relationship is an unfair and even dangerous thing.

Please note: I am not at all hostile toward you (I don't know you) or your post.

I am just trying to ascertain why you are so certain about this.

edit: missing word

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 3:44:30 PM   
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Narcissism is a human trait not, has nothing to do with bdsm.

Yes there are Doms that think its all about them, but there are subs that think the same ( all about the sub).

I didn't miss the question, as there wasn't one.

A journal entry might work better if you can reword this to tell us what side of this you either agree or disagree with.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 4:03:58 PM   
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I know it is a popular diagnosis mentioned quite a bit here on the boards, but I think diagnosing people we have never met, especially when we are not qualified to do so and are only getting a one-sided presentation of a relationship is an unfair and even dangerous thing.


Hey,hey-this is the Interwebz.
don't be going and posting all rational now,the place may just explode.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 4:43:13 PM   
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HAVE YOU LEARNED TO PERCEIVE THE SIGNS OF A NARCISSIST BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE?


My apologies if I have violated the space of the owner of this forum.


Well, it is obviously a tender subject for some, and a few responses plainly demonstrate the point of the post. I would bet that most respondents did not even bother to read the article:

5 EARLY WARNING SIGNS YOU'RE WITH A NARCISSIST

Certainly, NPD exists in all sectors of society, especially right wing politicians. But that is not the group I have chosen to address -- this thread, in this forum, to surrender types who may not know how to recognize the signs of narcissism. Instead, controller types impose themself in a forum not directed to them -- demonstrating the very subject of this post.

NPD is untreatable, and rarely will the NPD even believe, let alone trust, the accredited mental health professional who offers such a diagnosis.

Narcissism and empathy are polar opposites. Purported controllers who lack the capacity to do anything but objectify the subject of their predation indicate significant narcissism. Because the narcissist is very weak and insecure, they prey upon even weaker, submissive, and more hurt "partners." But lacking empathy, they have very little capacity to actually relate in paretnership with any degree of sensitivity and intimacy.

It is certainly easier to hold onto severe codependency or borderline personality disorder, than it is to accept why one unhealthy person is compulsively attracted towards, and remains attached to, another unhealthy person.

I have interacted with enough BDSM controller types that it is plainly obvious -- the majority of BDSM controller types are significantly narcissistic. Just go over to the "Ask A Master" board, and tally up the responses. But not observing them in a clinical environment, I am not in a position to conclude whether they meet 5 of 9 criteria specified under DSM-IV TR 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


(Now subsumed in all general B-Cluster disorders).

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 4:53:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aldompdx


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Was there something you wanted to discuss?


Have you learned to perceive the signs of a narcissist before it is too late?




1) That shiny framed degree in Psychology, hanging on my office wall says that I have.

and 2) since I've been married to the same man for 14 years and have no intentions of allowing anyone else to dominate me, I don't think it's an issue that I'll have to deal with.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 6:20:09 PM   
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I wanted to be a narcissist, so I grew some narcissus. You're telling me I did it wrong.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 6:25:08 PM   
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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 8:12:00 PM   
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I am somehow reminded of a childhood taunt. "Takes one to know one". It seems oddly apropos here.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 10:45:49 PM   
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Certainly, NPD exists in all sectors of society, especially right wing politicians. But that is not the group I have chosen to address -- this thread, in this forum, to surrender types who may not know how to recognize the signs of narcissism. Instead, controller types impose themself in a forum not directed to them -- demonstrating the very subject of this post.




OK, so we have a white knight who thinks he needs to tell all of us poor widdle subbies how to recognise a narcissist. On the whole we tend to be pretty good at recognising assholes, whether or not they have a psychiatric label for their asshole-ishness.

We seriously do not need to be patronised to by someone who thinks that slapping a 'dominant' label on themselves somehow makes them smarter than those of us on the opposite side of the kneel.

But what amuses me most is that a lot of these 'subbie saviours' tend to exhibit the same behaviour traits that they are trying to warn us about. Maybe that's a specific psychiatric disorder in itself?




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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/26/2013 10:54:30 PM   
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It's not my fault I am so damned handsome and irresistibly charming.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/27/2013 5:40:51 AM   
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It's not my fault I am so damned handsome and irresistibly charming.

Just sayin'





And modest. Don't forget modest.

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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/27/2013 5:45:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

It's not my fault I am so damned handsome and irresistibly charming.

Just sayin'





Ahem, it must be in those genes you possess.
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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/27/2013 5:56:02 AM   
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Quoting the op:
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A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: (1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g.,
exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) 


Perhaps that may include posting to an audience that is erudite and treating them as if they were your students.















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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/27/2013 5:56:03 AM   
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And modest. Don't forget modest.



Everyone on this board *knows* humility is *my* forte. Shesh.




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RE: Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 9/27/2013 5:57:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt


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And modest. Don't forget modest.



Everyone on this board *knows* humility is *my* forte. Shesh.







Nods....CP is MUCH better at it than some

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