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Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/2/2006 11:46:03 PM

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Rather than highjack another thread, I thought I'd start this one. A comment was made by someone that most Goreans own swords and know how to use them. That, in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot to me though. I own a few swords myself and started fencing at the tender age of 12 so am fairly well versed in the art of fencing. (I fenced rapier, obviously. Elbow surgery to my dominant side stopped that particular activity.) I've also been shooting since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Being born in Texas, it was a requirement in order to enter 1st grade. ::chuckles::

Himself was a New York State fencing champion back in his college days, is trained in all three disciplines and is also certified to repair foil & electric foil. In addition, he is a certified NFA judge. (Like most former fencers who now judge, he detests the 'box' and would lose no sleep if they did away with it all together.) In addition, he's a certified sharpshooter. Needless to say, when he's around, I don't worry a whole lot about my safety.

My question is do you, as a Master, feel it's important to be conversant with weaponry whether it be handguns, swords, knives what have you.. in order to protect that which belongs to you? Do you feel it's important that your partner be equally well versed or at least know enough about weaponry to protect themselves?

If not, what steps do you take to ensure that your property (not necessarily a slave, but perhaps just your home) is safe and secure from intruders? Burglar alarms? Dogs? Bat? Martial arts training?

I feel fairly well able to protect myself when Himself travels, but I believe that Himself would grab for one of his swords first. Me, I'd go for the gun. I think my bowling average, skill in pool and scores at the range attest well to my good aim. :)

Celeste

PS: I stand corrected.. I asked Himself and he laughed at me and said.. "There's an old saying in the Bronx.. If they use their fists, use a brick. If they use a brick, use a knife. If they use a knife, use a gun."

I asked him what happens if they use a gun.. his reply.. "Use a bigger gun."

I shoulda known.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 12:41:15 AM

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Interestingly, I do not know if Master owns guns. I have never thought to ask him! He has two large dogs and lots of security - fence, alarms, etc...

Being his property and living alone, he is confident in my ability to protect myself, as I live in a gated community with my handy little fire arm, and four levels of training behind it. Fortunately, while I have had to aim it at someone once, I have never had to use it for anything other than recreational target practice.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 4:29:49 AM

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As a mater of principle all people in my home have a basic knowl;edge of weapos in the home. At least they know that the blade of the cane knife (Used for cutting sugar cane and now used for trimming trees and shrubs here) is kept razor sharp. They know never to touch my katana. (wich will cut a piece of silk dropped on the business edge of the blade) All other regular weapons Neets and any one else living here is conversent with their safe use and maintenance. Specialised weapons (Military) are kept in a safe area to which I have the immediate access and yet in a last resport, Neets can access. These are kept in a ready state as I am required to keep them.. We all have security numbers on our mobile phones (The 000 for emergency services will take up to 40 minutes for police to arrive. There are two other nubers which will call upon my own people who can be here heavily armed withing 5 minutes)..

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 6:29:25 AM

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quote:

My question is do you, as a Master, feel it's important to be conversant with weaponry whether it be handguns, swords, knives what have you.. in order to protect that which belongs to you? Do you feel it's important that your partner be equally well versed or at least know enough about weaponry to protect themselves?

yes.... to both.

well wishes,
T.R.

edited to add: dammit... I do this rather frequently these days... post without reading everyone elses. I didn't know we were supposed to actually "list" our weapons.
Honestly, I'd prefer not to list them. I will say I'm more than capable with a variety of firearms...long guns and hand guns. I'm probably a little better with blades than I am with firearms. I prefer knives over swords, though. Beth -will- be learning to handle firearms very soon.... as a requirement. She is already quite adept at handling blades when it comes to self defense.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 7:19:51 AM

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Bita,

A sabre is actually the appropriate weapon or even a rapier if they are wearing street clothes but I agree with your Master, bigger is better. Or as I prefer to put it, the ability to shoot better and farther than they can.

I teach everyone I know to shoot and in general, I can teach a woman to outshoot most men on the range in about an hour. Rapid fire takes longer as more skill comes into play but the ability to put a tiny .22 into a head shaped target at 100 yards is more than most people can manage. I taught my ex to shoot everything from silenced submachinguns (sten MkIIs) to belt fed heavy machineguns (mg34 & mg42).

I routinely practice 100 yards with a handgun figuring if I can do that, the rest will take care of itself.

As for guns, I own plenty from .22s on up to L1a1s I have built myself. My favorite at the moment (more for "survival/fun" than defense) is an old Savage .22/410 over and under. I am putting a stunning peice of English feather crotch on it that should truly make it a silk purse/sows ear sort of thing.

Anyone local to Sacramento is alwaya welcome, even if they are gorian to look me up and go shooting.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 7:24:42 AM

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My question is do you, as a Master, feel it's important to be conversant with weaponry whether it be handguns, swords, knives what have you.. in order to protect that which belongs to you? Do you feel it's important that your partner be equally well versed or at least know enough about weaponry to protect themselves?

I think that it's important that everyone knows how to protect themselves and that which belongs to them. I don't think it's importance is reliant upon what position in life that you personally identify with. Everyone should have a thought out plan as to what they would do if....

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 7:27:46 AM

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I keep guns in the house in concealed locations (9mm)-a burglar will not find them in time to be useful. A slave home alone will, and be trained to hit the x ring in combat situations.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 8:30:55 AM

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I think people should be taught how to use what they have properly. I don't own a gun myself, but I know how to use them and am comfortable with them in the house if I know the people who have them are well trained in them AND will use them appropriately given the circumstances.

Slaves can be very useful as bodyguards and protectors also.

I think it's the same as the financial issues- whoever is most suited to the job should be the one doing it, though I think we should all become aware of the risks and respond appropriately.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 9:04:42 AM

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I agree with Crappy Dom with regards training. But as with all weapons which I uses it does take at times years and consistant practice for the muscle memory to develope so that your response is automatic.. Most hand gun training we do is over 30 meters (standard for assessment purposes in close contact at which a pass shooting standing, kneeling and prone ( left, righ and two handed) is 80% in bright and poor lighting with revolver (.357 magnum) and semiauto pistol (9mm). Without my glasses I shoot 85% with them (I wear them all the time) I get much higher rating and automatically shoot left eye right eye on a doule tap situation as I was trained to do for hostage release etc..

However (Evil Grin) the most terrible defence of HIB is for me to turn Neets loose.. few would confront a 5'3" size 14 Celtic red head with hair 3/4 of the way down her back and streaming out behind. Screaming like a pack of banshees and waving what ever she has in her hand.. A f*cking horrific sight and one almost guaranteed to make offenders fleet of foot ot jellied knees...

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 9:18:08 AM

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I own and know how to use several pistols and rifles, as well as swords and daggers/knives. I have 3 dogs, one of which is a pitbull and she has been trained to protect her family/property. I take care of whats mine and I'd do anything I had to , to protect my unmentionable and my sub.
My sub also knows how to use guns as he is a hunter and a big guy, so he can pretty much take care of himself. But if he couldn't, he knows without question I most certainly would.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 12:43:46 PM

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My question is do you, as a Master, feel it's important to be conversant with weaponry whether it be handguns, swords, knives what have you.. in order to protect that which belongs to you? Do you feel it's important that your partner be equally well versed or at least know enough about weaponry to protect themselves?

If not, what steps do you take to ensure that your property (not necessarily a slave, but perhaps just your home) is safe and secure from intruders? Burglar alarms? Dogs? Bat? Martial arts training?

In interesting question, which causes me to ponder quite a few questions of my own.

In general, I don't feel in necessary to do much of anything out of the ordinary to protect my property. I don't feel any need to own guns (much less swords) for protection. The area I live in hasn't had a crime... of any kind... in more than 20 years, that's a 0% crime rate. I don't even particularly feel the need to lock my front door.

I'm more concerned with the water moccasin I just killed crawling across my back yard than I am a burglar or some such.

I suppose the irony is that I'm quite capable of defending myself. I was given my first broadsword when I was 10. And although I'm skilled with a variety of swords, that's purely a hobby, not something I think would be practical for self defense, if I were to defend my home I'd be more likely to use a gun or a taser than a sword... swords really aren't that practical in this day and age. I'm a reasonably good shot with a rifle, but not very good with a pistol (I never really liked pistols that much). I'm very handy with a knife, and while I don't talk about it much, in my younger days I was in a few knife fights... I walked away so I guess we can assume I'm competent at that. I started the martial arts when I was 12, I turn 39 later this month, you do the math.

So all told I'm pretty capable of defending myself or my property, but... from what? Frankly folks I just don't have any fear of having to do so. Its not something I worry about. I'm not concerned with anyone breaking in (in 20 years nobody has, I don't think that's suddenly going to change tomorrow), I'm not worried about being jumped at the mall or in the grocery store, and the resteraunts I visit are all pretty nice. In short, I just don't see the need for weaponry other than pure machismo.

Protect my slave from whom? Some wanna-be with wandering fingers?

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 1:05:22 PM

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So all told I'm pretty capable of defending myself or my property, but... from what?

My sentiments exactly. The only time I've felt threatened in my home was during the flooding last week, and not even a nuclear bomb would have stopped that. I suppose too, that living out in the country as I do there are enough people around who do have guns that potential intruders don't attempt to break in anywhere. Perhaps I'll consider getting a gun if I start seeing bears in my back yard -- Stephen Colbert says they're the biggest threat around.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 1:28:19 PM

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My question is do you, as a Master, feel it's important to be conversant with weaponry whether it be handguns, swords, knives what have you.. in order to protect that which belongs to you? Do you feel it's important that your partner be equally well versed or at least know enough about weaponry to protect themselves?

If not, what steps do you take to ensure that your property (not necessarily a slave, but perhaps just your home) is safe and secure from intruders? Burglar alarms? Dogs? Bat? Martial arts training?

Honestly, I don't anticipate having to use anything in actual self defense or my home. We live in a small town and although they admit "we raise eybrows", it's still a small town and the neighbors do tend to be watchful of oddities. If it did become necessary, even though we have a multitude of sharp pointy things, I suspect I would just grab my favorite, my M1 Carbine and an always full, 30 round clip. Shifted and Twice are also proficient with firearms, so as far as them being in any danger when I am away, that never enters my mind. If I did for some unforeseen reason have to wield a melee weapon, I would have to choose my mace as first choice. As I mentioned on the other thread..if a would be burgular had a choice, I'm certain he would rather be shot, than be attacked with some of our collectables.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 1:44:54 PM

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So all told I'm pretty capable of defending myself or my property, but... from what?

My sentiments exactly. The only time I've felt threatened in my home was during the flooding last week, and not even a nuclear bomb would have stopped that. I suppose too, that living out in the country as I do there are enough people around who do have guns that potential intruders don't attempt to break in anywhere. Perhaps I'll consider getting a gun if I start seeing bears in my back yard -- Stephen Colbert says they're the biggest threat around.

Guess I better not make a suprise visit ehh?????

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 1:46:51 PM

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As a general rule, We do not keep firearms in the home. We have two small children and I just do not feel safe with guns and kids. However, I do own three guns (two shots and a rifle). Said guns are locked up in storage with My Father's.

Strangely enough, the great state of Alabama just passed a law that specifically says, IF I feel threatened or what is Mine is threatened, I can defend with the law on My side (and in that case, it will be My word against a dead man's).

At the current, My Co-Dom Husband is a trained Huntsman and Rifleman.

So, in answering your question, yes We can defend what is Ours. Hopefully, that day will never come to make that statement a reality.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 3:45:41 PM

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You don't need weapons! Fists work well.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 3:57:50 PM

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Master is an excellent martial artist. Living in Australia, I dont really have any fear about home invasion or whatever, we are a relatively placid country (that is changing I guess....but realistically, I'm so comfortable I forget to lock the front door most of the time). There was an experience we had though when we were away one time, we were walking in a less than safe area, a drugged guy came up to us, it was an intense situation but I found myself not feeling frightened or anything because I had faith Master could handle him if it came to anything physical.

We don't have any guns, but Master was sniper trained in the army and is an excellent shot apparently and Ive also been trained with various guns and am a good shot.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 11:19:42 PM

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Thank you for the replies everyone. I guess living in the ghetto, single parent, no child support for so long, I'm a bit more paranoid from spending so much of my adult life in high crime areas. Actually, where we live now and where we're moving to on August 1st, it's not as much of a concern .. plus my own ankle biters are grown up with ankle biters of their own now, so I don't worry so much anymore. I would like it if my son lived in a bit of a better neighborhood, but it's his turn to struggle with a job and full time schooling now and eventually his tenacity and such will pay off (hopefully!) and he'll be able to move to a safer place as well. In the meantime, he's got a gun and nows how to use it as well.

Crappy - it was your post in another thread which caused me to write the OP for this one, so thanks for the inspiration and the response! I think the fact that you make your own weapons is fascinating.. and I like the new toy pics in your profile as well.

Celeste

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/3/2006 11:42:58 PM

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Celeste,

Thanks! As someone who has been in the weapons trade since I was a kid, here is a funny for you. We call the silly over the top guns, "penis extenders" they are the equivalent of the jacked up trucks and the motorcycles with the "look at me" mufflers.

I like firearms mainly as mechanical devices and am just as fascinated with wrist watches and trains. My book collection is far more extensive and valuable and certainly better taken care of and treasured than my guns which I like ugly and serviceable. So most women I think of as guns but the ones who really fire up my loins I think of as rare tombs to be read slowly page by page.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/4/2006 5:53:33 AM

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So all told I'm pretty capable of defending myself or my property, but... from what?

My sentiments exactly.... ...Perhaps I'll consider getting a gun if I start seeing bears in my back yard...

I'm sure there's a better way to deal with da bears. I know how to use and maintain guns, and am a very good shot, but for some reason, feel no need to own a firearm. Could it be because here in wildass New Mexico I am being protected by the guns of those around me? Hell NO!! If anything, I am a bit less safe, thanks to them. I'm from Detroit, and have somehow managed to survive many job assignments on the Mexican border without a gun. Maybe I should hire myself out?

So, all I can say is that when I read the OP question about protecting what's mine, the question promptly popped into my head: "From what?" Paranoia?

Bob

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