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Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 4:06:04 AM

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I just want to gain some insight into what the majority view on this might be. I want to be clear that it isn't something I do, but I have friends who participate and I guess I'm considering my feelings about that.

Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

How do you feel about nazi roleplay showing up on, for example, your friend's feed (on other sites). Would it make you uncomfortable? Would you not care? Would you take steps to remove that content, i.e. by unfriending them or would that be offensive to the friend who was enjoying it?

Do we accept 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is ok' when it comes to nazi roleplay? Why or why not?

In general, how acceptable is open nazi roleplay within the scene? Would you accept it at clubs you went to?

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 4:50:17 AM

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Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

Depends on what you mean by "acceptable". I'm certainly not going to actively stop anyone doing it, nor am I going to start giving verbal aggro to those who do.

But, personally, I am uncomfortable with the fetishisation of Nazism (for reasons that are mostly to do with gut reactions, so I'm not great at explaining why intellectually). So I choose to avoid those involved in public Nazi roleplay and won't socialise with them.

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How do you feel about nazi roleplay showing up on, for example, your friend's feed (on other sites). Would it make you uncomfortable? Would you not care? Would you take steps to remove that content, i.e. by unfriending them or would that be offensive to the friend who was enjoying it?

I'd remove it and if they think that's "offensive" they can get the fuck over themselves. But that's my attitude in general. I have a friend who's an extreme masochist. Considering that, not only am I really not a sadist, but I'm actually quite squeamish at times, she doesn't turn up on my feeds because I can only spend so many hours a day going "eeeeeeeee!" She knows that and finds it funny. The only difference with the Nazi roleplayers is that quite so many of them are so fucking precious about what they do.

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Do we accept 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is ok' when it comes to nazi roleplay? Why or why not?

I don't accept it at all, outside of a much more narrow "I will not interfere with your kink" attitude. It's a mantra for people who are unable or unwilling to use their critical facilities. It suggests that we should all be able to do anything we want, free of any consequences for our choices, because we're special little snowflakes. Fuck that noise.

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In general, how acceptable is open nazi roleplay within the scene?

Very. More then I'd prefer. There have been clubs that have banned it, but the self-entitled bleating has been astounding. (It's not like all fetishes are acceptable at most clubs anyway. Only a small number allow scat or blood play, for example). I don't think anyone has a right to do Nazi roleplay wherever they want, regardless of the wishes of the club owner.

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Would you accept it at clubs you went to?

This is largely academic for me. I hang round with the Burlesque crowd way more then I do with BDSMers and it's not common at all there.

But, ideally, this is the position I'd take. I accept that there's a demand and it's reasonable for that demand to be met. But I'd like the policy on SS uniforms et al to be explicitly stated by clubs upfront. That way, people who want to Nazi roleplay can do so and those of us who aren't comfortable with it can make an informed decision to avoid those clubs. I don't like the current situation where it's something that just happens with no prior warning.

As an additional note, I actually wear a hell of a lot of ex Eastern Bloc 'Stalinist chic' stuff. So there's a really fair argument that I'm a big hypocrite on this issue. Which I don't really have an answer to, apart from to say that it 'feels' different. Not just to me, but to a lot of people I know. (Admittedly, if I was from a country actually affected by Stalin, it would probably be a different kettle of fish).

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 5:09:44 AM

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I really dont like watching anyones kinks tbh. But I do love a SS uniform, I like all sorts of uniforms from that period but the Nazi uniform just looks nice to me - not for any Nazi role play
Dont have a problem with what anyone else does tho - and if something I dont like it on my feed I can skip it - or if it happens enough to start boring me then I block them - no biggy

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 5:20:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

I just want to gain some insight into what the majority view on this might be. I want to be clear that it isn't something I do, but I have friends who participate and I guess I'm considering my feelings about that.

Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

How do you feel about nazi roleplay showing up on, for example, your friend's feed (on other sites). Would it make you uncomfortable? Would you not care? Would you take steps to remove that content, i.e. by unfriending them or would that be offensive to the friend who was enjoying it?

Do we accept 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is ok' when it comes to nazi roleplay? Why or why not?

In general, how acceptable is open nazi roleplay within the scene? Would you accept it at clubs you went to?

Many thanks,

od

I could accept some kind of "military dictature" based role play, but I think when swasticas are used, not just generic uniforms, it's only purpose is to piss other people off so I find it annoying.
By the way have you ever seen someone dressed like a political prisoner or internee in this kind of scenes, because it looks like they are all in the governative ranks.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 5:23:30 AM

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I would think that most people not actually indulging in anything Nazi related would find the whole subject matter absolutely abhorrent and totally disgusting.

I had a friend at work who used to dress up and go on military-style war events.
Although he played an American, some of those obviously played a Nazi.

Personally, I don't like anything Nazi because of what it represents and past attrocities.
Just about anywhere where there is a Nazi (or Nazi-style) political organisation or group there is trouble and frequent violence. And those in it are often very strong mindedly against things that the rest of the modern world would embrace as being good.

Many people view anything to do with the Nazis as something akin to Islamic extremists.

So I am against Nazi roleplay and anything to do with it.
And those that I have ascociated with have also condemned Nazi-ism in any form for exactly the same reasons as my own .
The whole premise of what they stand for is just unthinkable and abhorrent.

That's my

on the subject.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 5:52:56 AM

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Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

Yes. Honestly, that's a cultural taboo that has nothing to do with any sense of reality. In other horrible areas fantasy is OK and people seem fine (usually) separating fantasy from reality. There's no obvious reason why this area ought to be different.

At one point I felt similarly about Goreans. I mean seriously, the roots of Gor are pretty horrible... kidnapping, torture, rape. I felt that even if someone knew it was fantasy I didn't want to be associated with anyone for whom those things were a draw. Then I grew up.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 5:54:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

I just want to gain some insight into what the majority view on this might be. I want to be clear that it isn't something I do, but I have friends who participate and I guess I'm considering my feelings about that.

Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

How do you feel about nazi roleplay showing up on, for example, your friend's feed (on other sites). Would it make you uncomfortable? Would you not care? Would you take steps to remove that content, i.e. by unfriending them or would that be offensive to the friend who was enjoying it?

Do we accept 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is ok' when it comes to nazi roleplay? Why or why not?

In general, how acceptable is open nazi roleplay within the scene? Would you accept it at clubs you went to?

Many thanks,

od

The iconic dominatrix Eva Norvind (the subject of the documentary Didn't Do it for Love) would role play as a Nazi for a Jewish client who was a Holocaust survivor. Maybe that was something he needed to heal, just as some rape victims are drawn to rape roleplay, so they can re-enact their trauma in a safe environment.

So, like most kinks, I think Nazi roleplay can be a good thing. And, like most kinks, I think most of the time, it is neither good nor bad, just self-indulgent.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 5:59:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

I just want to gain some insight into what the majority view on this might be. I want to be clear that it isn't something I do, but I have friends who participate and I guess I'm considering my feelings about that.

Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

I wouldn't personally do it and I do feel uncomfortable around the Nazi uniform at fet clubs but as someone once pointed out, 'they wear it because its a smart uniform and looks stunning in latex'. I disagree. If you wear such a uniform you are aware of what it symbolizes.

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How do you feel about nazi roleplay showing up on, for example, your friend's feed (on other sites). Would it make you uncomfortable? Would you not care? Would you take steps to remove that content, i.e. by unfriending them or would that be offensive to the friend who was enjoying it?

I wouldn't un-friend them until I knew the reasons behind it. If they told me they were Nazi supporters then yes, sure I would.

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Do we accept 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is ok' when it comes to nazi roleplay? Why or why not?

This is a difficult one because I think of our lifestyle as bringing fantasy out in the open or at least with a partner. Many people fantasize rape scenarios and brutal kidnaps. Some fantasize about black slavery or white slavery and some fantasize about the Roman empire, which was incredibly cruel. Role playing any of those doesn't mean we support rape, real slavery, kidnap or what went on in the Colosseum. Where do we draw the line? In my mind Nazi history is still too recent. A lot of us have grandparents that lived through the 2nd world war.

Like I said above, if they were Nazi supporters then bringing their kink out in the open is not okay in my world but if its a masochistic/sadistic role play fantasy, then I think I'd leave them be.

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In general, how acceptable is open nazi roleplay within the scene? Would you accept it at clubs you went to?

We ran a club and we didn't allow Nazi uniforms but I've been to plenty of fet clubs that do in the UK. If I ever open another club I won't allow Nazi uniforms.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 6:07:41 AM

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To be fair, I think it's incredibly rare for Nazi fetishists to actually be supporters of Nazi ideology. (Apart from anything else, most modern day Nazis are far more likely to wear suits and ties, not SS uniforms.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 6:46:41 AM

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To be fair, I think it's incredibly rare for Nazi fetishists to actually be supporters of Nazi ideology. (Apart from anything else, most modern day Nazis are far more likely to wear suits and ties, not SS uniforms.

Oh I've met one! A guy who is a regular at a club in the west of the UK. He always looks pretty stunning in his SS uniform. It helps that he's handsome and tall!

I sat with him once and said, I notice you always wear the same uniform (I thought perhaps that was the only fet gear he had), do you just like the costume? or are you a Nazi supporter. 'I'm a Nazi supporter through and through' he replied. I just got up and walked away.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 6:58:58 AM

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I did a "Nazi" session once before with a woman who is extremely well known in the community. It was a lot of fun, and it's one of those memorable moments I've had in bdsm that I'll always cherish. Not ONCE was it about Nazi ideology, but the hot SS uniform she wore, the stereotypical strictness that she enacted while wearing it, and a bit of flare of the absurdity of the situation mixed in as well. It was probably that much more bizarre because she was Japanese, which didn't fit in with the blonde, blue eyed stereotype either. For us, it was a lot of fun, and neither one of us is a fan of anything the Nazis did during that period of time (or since then, for that matter). Sometimes, a fantasy is just that, and if left into the confines of the play space, it doesn't really bother anyone or have any more significance than to the people sharing a moment.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 7:01:20 AM

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I have a serious issue with it.

My maternal grandmother escaped Nazi Germany in the 1930s. My entire mother's side lost maybe half of its relatives in the camps. I have a knee-jerk reaction to anything Nazi. I try to get that it's nothing but a simple fetish uniform for some people, but it's almost an instinctive reaction of visceral hatred for me.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 7:26:50 AM

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To the OP, I have problems with it just as I have an issue with kink slave plantations. I believe there are topics and subjects you just don't touch. But many people these days are desensitize or just plain don't care thus thinking any topic is good. I love uniforms but there is nothing about a SS uniform that would turn me on...nor would seeing a slave cotton plantation.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 7:49:28 AM

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I work in a non kink club and we have people in Nazi uniforms sometimes - its very common with the Polish Community in Glasgow

I also wonder how many people fetishised the uniform from shows like 'allo allo' :)

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 7:57:29 AM

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I don't mean to be insensitive to anyone, but there is a major stigma attached to Nazism - for obvious reasons. It is taught in America today that it was the greatest atrocity to befall any group of people, and in this case, primarily the Ashkenazi Jews of Germany and Poland, among other places. But this is primarily because American Jews have kept it fresh in everyone's minds, and I don't necessarily blame them for that.

But simply put, the Nazis killed far less human beings than the Bolsheviks did, and for a much shorter time. The Cultural Revolution in China killed far more people during its reign of terror than did the Nazis as well. So much of this is perspective. Most people in America, the UK, etc don't have a lot of family who perished in the USSR or China (although the Asian-American community from China certainly does, but the Chinese to this day still don't feel comfortable voicing it). There were many Jews in America with family in Europe during the Third Reich's era, so it's a lot closer to home for them and it has gotten more press and academic attention as a result.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 8:13:09 AM

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To youdneverknowit you said, "Nazis killed far less human beings than the Bolsheviks did, and for a much shorter time." I am sure you were not being insensitive but the fact that they killed people is the issue. Murder is murder. Taking a life...is a life you cannot get back. It isn't the matter of how much another country killed people. Which goes back to the OP question, Nazi play, although for some it will be okay but for others it could be harmful. If people can be sensitive to that fact perhaps they will understand when someone may be bothered by the topic.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 8:29:06 AM

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I think the thing is that just about every kink will bother someone else. I personally HATE with a passion to see one person hit another - whether in play or abuse it really bothers me to such an extent i want to jump in and stop it - hence I keep away from rooms that that will be happening in
I love rape scenes - but totally understand why others would be deeply bothered with something like that
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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 8:31:52 AM

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I'd be squicked by it. I would rethink why this person was my friend that they enjoyed it. And I would have no compunction unfriending them. If they asked, I would tell them. If they wanted to be insulted that as a Jew, I find this incredibly offensive that would only strengthen my belief that we should not be friends.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 8:40:09 AM

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...If they wanted to be insulted that as a Jew, I find this incredibly offensive that would only strengthen my belief that we should not be friends.

Many people, not just Jews, find the whole subject very offensive.

Even for those that did a 'Mandella' and forgave those involved, having such an abhorrent subject glorified in any way is just intrinsically bad IMHO.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 8:43:07 AM

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They are all acceptable role play and common public scenes, workshops and demos.

The Nazi guard and the Jewish prisoner
The British guard and the German prisoner
Interrogating the rebel by a military officer
The priest and the alter boy
Daddy and daughter corporal punishment
etc.

All stereotypical scene themes.

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