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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Notice also that the 'you shall surely die' also turned out to be an empty threat... (much like the "Attention all institutions and persons...' warning here on CM... )

Empty threat? How is that? Have you talked to Adam and Eve lately?

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Did Adam and Even even know what 'die' meant?

Although Mankind was meant to live forever, the animals around them died so yes they had seen death.

Also again God being God is a perfect teacher and thus would be able to perfectly teach Adam and Eve what die meant.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, since there is no christian god, and you have said that animals died before god commanded death, you would be horrifically inconsistent.

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Other than that, you argue suppositions not in accordance with 'the word of god' (which should be perfect, n'est ce pas?)

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So, yeah, but no. In fact do not go close to water.

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What ad hominem was made that was not by you?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And as to your other dare, fine lets test your sinful knowledge.

Why did Jesus kill the fig tree?

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Well, if you want to argue that God doesn't exist, fine but "based on christanity" which believes God exists, Christianity would not have to wait for mankind "discover" the "germ theory of disease", seeing as God would already know about germs and their effects on mankind he could give them rules that would take those things into consideration.

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It is a shame that Children have been abused throughout history but that does not mean, that if God exists, that he did not rule against it.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Awww... how cute, a strawman logical fallacy. The threat was that they would die on the day they disobeyed.
And don't waste time playing games with the definition of 'day'.

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So much for that whole 'Shall not bear false witness' thing, hmmm?

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
I am not telling you what I think. This is what the Bible says.

Genesis 3:6- "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eye and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof."

The BIBLE (not me) says she thought it was a good thing.

Actually you are telling me what you think, you think because she said it was a good thing, it was a good thing, the
Bible does not say it was a good thing but only that she said it was a good thing.

I never said it was good thing. (I never even thought it so I am not sure how you drew that false conclusion.) I only quoted the Bible. The Bible stated that Eve believed the tree to be good. According to scripture that was her thinking. DEFINITELY not mine.

Also you might ask yourself what did she think of it before Satan talked to her, what made her change her mind about it?

I have no way of knowing what she thought prior to then, since the Bible gave no indication of that. It only stated what she said to the serpent and what she believed.

If a con man convinces you that you just bought a $1500 ring from him for $20, you may think it's a good thing too but you're not going to think that for long, when it starts to turn your finger green.

Thank you. That was the point I was making. They did not KNOW good and evil (ie the ring was fake) until AFTER they ate off the tree (the finger turned green.)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Awww... how cute, a strawman logical fallacy. The threat was that they would die on the day they disobeyed.
And don't waste time playing games with the definition of 'day'.

Then why are you trying to play games. You are the one with the strawman, trying to change the argument to suit you instead of dealing with it as is. If you have done your homework, you should know that the original languages of the Bible did not include English. So the word used meant time period and could mean 24hrs or thousands of years. In fact at one place in the Bible it says that a thousand years is but a "day" in God's eye and interestingly Adam and Eve lived less than a thousand years.

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So much for that whole 'Shall not bear false witness' thing, hmmm?

Yeah how about that.

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ORIGINAL: playfulotter

In the end...Religion is kind of vague about what it means and such......as there are no real answers and you just spin your wheels making up things that might fit in the scheme of things....hmm..otherwise why not indoctrinate people into a certain religion after their brains are fully formed...late teens or so..but it has to be earlier..when it it is the opposite.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
If God is the Creator of life than he is responsible for the existence of pathogens which are harmful to humans. Giving rules to humans does not absolve god from responsibility for the suffering he imposed on humankind. He is either malevolent or impotent. I don't recall anything in the Commandments that says "Thou Shalt Not suffer Germs."

Innocent children continue today to suffer pain and death from earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, volcanos, and pathogens. God is either merciless or without power. Maybe he is Evil.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
But the first time we saw a stove someone had to teach us what it was and how dangerous it could be. If you met a full grown person today who had never seen a stove before he would have no knowledge of what it is or the dangers that it could present. That has to be taught. "Full grown" is a lot more than size. It is also the amount of knowledge and wisdom you have learned.

And that is why God taught them and that is another thing, do you really think God is incapable of teaching his children properly?

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

There is no argument, and you can't provide a single direct quote where I've written any such thing. But then again, you aren't here for honest discourse, are you?

As far as your naturam transcendentem, quae manetgames, that dishonest ruse is even older than Aramaic.

You've got nothing.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Awww... how cute, a strawman logical fallacy. The threat was that they would die on the day they disobeyed.
And don't waste time playing games with the definition of 'day'.

Then why are you trying to play games. You are the one with the strawman, trying to change the argument to suit you instead of dealing with it as is. If you have done your homework, you should know that the original languages of the Bible did not include English. So the word used meant time period and could mean 24hrs or thousands of years. In fact at one place in the Bible it says that a thousand years is but a "day" in God's eye and interestingly Adam and Eve lived less than a thousand years.

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So much for that whole 'Shall not bear false witness' thing, hmmm?

Yeah how about that.

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ORIGINAL: bubbabarrett31

which came first religion or knowledge?is knowledge power? is knowledge something we seek? is knowledge something we strive to improve in everyday life? is knoowledge the root of evil? why do people want to know more? how does knowledge relate to religion? does knowledge begin in religion? what does your religion say about knowledge?

of some one wants to chat i'd welcome coments i urge you to voice your opinion on the subject.

i got into the conversation with a friend the other day and we stayed up for two days talking about the subject and came up empty its a very confusing topic and i want serious responses only. how do you feel what are your opinions

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
I never said it was good thing. (I never even thought it so I am not sure how you drew that false conclusion.) I only quoted the Bible. The Bible stated that Eve believed the tree to be good. According to scripture that was her thinking. DEFINITELY not mine. You are correct, after checking the thread, I can see why I got the impression you had but you did not.

I have no way of knowing what she thought prior to then, since the Bible gave no indication of that. It only stated what she said to the serpent and what she believed.Fair enough.

If a con man convinces you that you just bought a $1500 ring from him for $20, you may think it's a good thing too but you're not going to think that for long, when it starts to turn your finger green.

Thank you. That was the point I was making. They did not KNOW good and evil (ie the ring was fake) until AFTER they ate off the tree (the finger turned green.) Actually no, they did know what as truly good and evil before eating but a con man (Satan) deceived Eve, otherwise she would not have eaten but the Bible says that Adam was not deceived. (1 Timothy 2:14) So Adam knew before he ate that it was wrong.

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ORIGINAL: bubbabarrett31
so knowledge can become evil whch would make it a sin, that is "if" it becomes evil. So too much knowledge would be a sin, where would the cut off be? what /would be the point where knowledge turned "from" good into evil. god forbid them from eating from the tree that bare thefruit known as "knowledge of good and evil" dont you think that it made them courious, being that they only knew good and every thing they ever experinced was good or not harmful. so when he propsed to them that there was something that went along with good did they not assume that this thing called evil was also something good. i.e. peanut butter "and" jelly.... they never new bad they never knew evil they only knew good and knew it well everything in existance, at the time, was good. so the serpent was a cop out for religion to control. it was something to put blame on, so there is no "spent" or satin the bible says so a few verses earlier in gen. efectively.when it says thet there was no evil. so no evil no bad no satin only god. so evil was created to control people, to rule the masses, to conform humans into an existance. god is evil god is also good. god is the satin and the almighity knowledge of this is the reason religion was created because that would impose order of the masses. so knowledge is evil, is a correct statement, right

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

There is no argument, and you can't provide a single direct quote where I've written any such thing. But then again, you aren't here for honest discourse, are you?

As far as your naturam transcendentem, quae manetgames, that dishonest ruse is even older than Aramaic.

You've got nothing.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Awww... how cute, a strawman logical fallacy. The threat was that they would die on the day they disobeyed.
And don't waste time playing games with the definition of 'day'.

Then why are you trying to play games. You are the one with the strawman, trying to change the argument to suit you instead of dealing with it as is. If you have done your homework, you should know that the original languages of the Bible did not include English. So the word used meant time period and could mean 24hrs or thousands of years. In fact at one place in the Bible it says that a thousand years is but a "day" in God's eye and interestingly Adam and Eve lived less than a thousand years.

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So much for that whole 'Shall not bear false witness' thing, hmmm?

Yeah how about that.

Really then why didn't address what I said instead this piece of drivel.

The actual truth is that they died the same "day" but you endeavored to make it a "straw man" by implying that that "day" had to be shorter than their lives.
Quite honestly you seem to be the one that isn't "here for honest discourse" and it seems that except for anger it is you that has nothing to say.