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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/4/2014 1:15:32 PM   
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Master picks and chooses sometimes but I admit he usually almost always ends up taking the responsibility simply because he hates not having it done his way and the correct way. I've seen him try to walk away and it rarely ever works for him heh. He will tell you that he'd rather sit back but I can tell you after all these years it eventually gets to him.

No.
It fucking annoys him is what it does.

I can waste hours of my life watching some fool fuck shit up or hop in,get it done right,then move on with life.
Blame it on my ADD :-)

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/4/2014 1:46:26 PM   
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Actually we weren't friends. We were just two people who just talked online for two years before we met because we were both bored and the only two people online. It was just chit chat bullshit back and forth with me basically answering him with two word sentences most of the time lol. I just really had no interest in him. I was just bored. The reason I agreed to meet him was because he asked me and I needed a vacation and figured why not...get a free coffee, meet him for 5 minutes, figuring I wouldn't like him like any other guy I met from online and then spend the rest of the weekend in town on my own just having fun at the museums and such by myself. I like doing stuff like that by myself sometimes, especially when I just want a weekend away to de-stress. We definitely were not friends at that point though. I didn't even know him. Online chat does not equal friendship.

As for love at first site...it was definitely lust at first site I think for both of us but he had much more control over his urges than I did. I wasn't really expecting anything other than a fuck and that was it. I never expected to even hear back from him. But he definitely had that dominant personality, that air, that walk, that said "I know who I am. I'm comfortable with who I am. I'm not going to try and impress you and if you don't like it, that's your problem, not mine".

Yeah, I realized I was in a bit of a quandary when I wrote that part of my post. I knew you wouldn't consider it friendship, because you have a strong division between online-only contact and real-life contact. But I decided to go with the word anyway because I was talking to the OP, and I was pretty sure she would consider what the two of you had to be a friendship, because she's emphasized the importance of "extensive lifestyle communication" before meeting for the first time.

Incidentally, I apologize if I put either you or Kana in the middle of an online fight. Not my intention. ExiledTyrant pretty much came charging at me in his last post, and I think I'll just leave that be. I've said what I wanted to say on the thread, and people can read what I wrote and draw their own conclusions.

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/4/2014 1:50:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
Actually we weren't friends. We were just two people who just talked online for two years before we met because we were both bored and the only two people online. It was just chit chat bullshit back and forth with me basically answering him with two word sentences most of the time lol. I just really had no interest in him. I was just bored. The reason I agreed to meet him was because he asked me and I needed a vacation and figured why not...get a free coffee, meet him for 5 minutes, figuring I wouldn't like him like any other guy I met from online and then spend the rest of the weekend in town on my own just having fun at the museums and such by myself. I like doing stuff like that by myself sometimes, especially when I just want a weekend away to de-stress. We definitely were not friends at that point though. I didn't even know him. Online chat does not equal friendship.

As for love at first site...it was definitely lust at first site I think for both of us but he had much more control over his urges than I did. I wasn't really expecting anything other than a fuck and that was it. I never expected to even hear back from him. But he definitely had that dominant personality, that air, that walk, that said "I know who I am. I'm comfortable with who I am. I'm not going to try and impress you and if you don't like it, that's your problem, not mine".

Yeah, I realized I was in a bit of a quandary when I wrote that part of my post. I knew you wouldn't consider it friendship, because you have a strong division between online-only contact and real-life contact. But I decided to go with the word anyway because I was talking to the OP, and I was pretty sure she would consider what the two of you had to be a friendship, because she's emphasized the importance of "extensive lifestyle communication" before meeting for the first time.

Incidentally, I apologize if I put either you or Kana in the middle of an online fight. Not my intention. ExiledTyrant pretty much came charging at me in his last post, and I think I'll just leave that be. I've said what I wanted to say on the thread, and people can read what I wrote and draw their own conclusions.

We were two insomniacs always passing in the night.
Problem is that both of us are uber pragmatic, thus we don't see anything/one as real until eyeballs are laid on em.
It was more a fun game,at least on my end. Someone to rap with,pry into,occasionally annoy,exasperate a tad,kinda like having an on/off online chew toy

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/6/2014 11:10:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

ExiledTyrant pretty much came charging at me in his last post, and I think I'll just leave that be.


You give me way too much credit. I just loath Amoks, especially when they are running.

Jus sayin
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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/6/2014 11:28:11 AM   
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Yes, quit that charging Exile. Or I'll have to tell your mommy on you!

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/6/2014 12:00:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

Yes, quit that charging Exile. Or I'll have to tell your mommy on you!


My disdain of Amoks are her fault. We used to have to run into the garden all hours of the night and squash them with bare feet. When they ran out of the garden, you knew the little bastards would be back... Hence, I hate running Amoks.

YMMV
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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/6/2014 4:44:28 PM   
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Somehow, I can see you running barefoot after Amoks in the dark and having a whole lot o fun!

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/10/2014 7:29:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

As I am continuing my journey to finding that elusive Dominant man that will be compatible with me, I have encountered something frustrating, and wanted to see if others have as well. I am guessing you know the type. Says He's is "a Dominant". However, after emails, texts and phone calls, when you meet He seems...less than Dominant. He is almost deferential. I'm not saying I don't want Chivalry. Good manners. But there seems to be a great deal of over-hesitancy. That first touch....cautious , with a look in his eyes that is almost asking permission. WTF?? You want to hold my hand? MEAN it!! Give me a first impression of your desire to lead, own, rule. Don't ASK permission like a 'nilla metrosexual guy. If I wanted that, THEY are easy to find.

Have you found this often? For me, it is a huge turn-off. Makes me dry up to a dust bowl. :(
Any opinions on WHY this brand of Dom is so hesitantly pleading with his eyes for your acquiescence?


I think a lot of people associate dominant with being confident. If he's hesitant in the meeting, maybe it's giving off less of a confident/in control/ dominating vibe. But really we're all people, he may just be nervous. I'm sure most are when first meeting someone. I doubt I appear that submissive when first meeting someone, you have to relax and let it all come out as you get to know them.

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 5:26:32 AM   
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I like your thinking.

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 11:01:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I think for a lot of guys (ok...I could be wrong....) ....but I think for a lot of guys, even true Dominants, they are still influenced by the expectations and "rules" in vanilla society, and they are just trying to be careful.

If I were dating vanilla, then this would be absolutely true. However. Prior to meeting, there would have been lengthy emails, texts and phone conversations about wants, needs and limits. We would BOTH be aware that this was NOT a vanilla first meet.


Try to put yourself in his shoes, he doesn't know you, at any point in time or the next morning, you could change your mind, scream rape and abuse and he'd be in a hell lot of trouble, most cops (and judges) possibly don't understand that the expectations of submissive women might be a little bit different.
Would you really be happy with a guy who's stupid enough to risk his career and everything just for an evening of BDSM fun?


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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 5:51:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I think for a lot of guys (ok...I could be wrong....) ....but I think for a lot of guys, even true Dominants, they are still influenced by the expectations and "rules" in vanilla society, and they are just trying to be careful.

If I were dating vanilla, then this would be absolutely true. However. Prior to meeting, there would have been lengthy emails, texts and phone conversations about wants, needs and limits. We would BOTH be aware that this was NOT a vanilla first meet.


Try to put yourself in his shoes, he doesn't know you, at any point in time or the next morning, you could change your mind, scream rape and abuse and he'd be in a hell lot of trouble, most cops (and judges) possibly don't understand that the expectations of submissive women might be a little bit different.
Would you really be happy with a guy who's stupid enough to risk his career and everything just for an evening of BDSM fun?


Just an FYI Lady C, I've had long discussions with the OP about this thread. Her original OP was in referral to an initial coffee date, nowhere has she referred to going anywhere but home by herself after said coffee. She in no way goes home, to hotels or motels or parking with total strangers. I know her well enough to confirm this, and did indeed speak with her again to clarify just before I posted this.


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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 6:02:15 PM   
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I thought there was one comment (not sure if it was the OP or somebody else) about taking somebody home from a play party...

Honestly, first time the D type (especially when male) being careful makes a lot of sense to me, no matter how much communication there was before, trust is a two way street in BDSM, and just being careful and making sure everything is well within parameters isn't such a dumb idea. Might not be the mind blowing fantasy date, but people are getting to know each other, gathering information and checking out about how to proceed in the future... Not everybody plays with a full deck of cards (on both sides of the whip), so just testing the water really makes a lot of sense, especially if you think how most s-types would react to the instant dominant "I am here, I expect to be worshipped..."

I prefer to look at it this as "The guy is actually taking time to get to know somebody" and less as hesitant or unsure.

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 6:37:23 PM   
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Yep, I have found this more than a couple of times. I've never understood it, your guess is a good as mine. I've had "Dominant" men who seem less confident than my first high school boyfriend asking me out for the first time. I've been with "Dominant" men who were hesitant to fuck me even when all lights were green. And those who I actually did sleep with where it was like, "huh?? What ever made you think you were Dominant???"

The odd thing is, these aren't just Horny Net Geeks pretending to get laid. At least some of them are men with integrity who somehow either don't understand what it means to be Dominant, have a wildly different definition than most of the planet, or who for lack of a better word "lost their groove".

Whatever the deal is, I agree it's frustrating and a waste of time!! We need to invent a "Dom-o-meter" so we can scan dates to determine their Dominance the first time we go out!

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 6:40:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

As I am continuing my journey to finding that elusive Dominant man that will be compatible with me, I have encountered something frustrating, and wanted to see if others have as well. I am guessing you know the type. Says He's is "a Dominant". However, after emails, texts and phone calls, when you meet He seems...less than Dominant. He is almost deferential. I'm not saying I don't want Chivalry. Good manners. But there seems to be a great deal of over-hesitancy. That first touch....cautious , with a look in his eyes that is almost asking permission. WTF?? You want to hold my hand? MEAN it!! Give me a first impression of your desire to lead, own, rule. Don't ASK permission like a 'nilla metrosexual guy. If I wanted that, THEY are easy to find.

Have you found this often? For me, it is a huge turn-off. Makes me dry up to a dust bowl. :(
Any opinions on WHY this brand of Dom is so hesitantly pleading with his eyes for your acquiescence?


First meetings can be tentative in some situations, and while I can't speak for others, I can say of myself that I'm not the type to reserve much by the time I'm about to meet a woman, but that's only because we've gone through a tremendous amount of dialog and every expectation on my part has been made excruciatingly clear.

My last first meeting encounter (with who is now my most recent of two I keep) happened in an airport. She was instructed on how to dress while waiting for me at the exit gate (heels, skirt, slutty top, ponytail, makeup just so) and was not allowed to speak until my dick was in her mouth later on when we got into the car. Only after choking and gagging on my erection for roughly ten minutes was she allowed to recover and greet me by voice, with eyes streaming of tears and mascara. She knew beforehand that this had symbolic significance in regard to the function of her mouth where I was concerned: her voice comes second in the hierarchy of her oral priorities. Of course.

Why am I revealing this? To demonstrate that dialog beforehand can go a long way in smoothing out these awkward and jittery first-encounters with hesitant males (or females). The scenario I recount above was about as impolite and objectifying as it comes, but there was no tension (outside of butterflies on her part) in this scenario because we had a plan and were in absolutely full accord before meeting for the first time. That's the huge advantage of meeting people online first and speaking with them over the phone for a spell before meeting.

The men who don't do this and instead meet a woman without knowing much about her are wise for being polite and cautious, I think, particularly in our current "rape culture" where male is virtually synonymous with creep and possible pedophile. That is, if due politeness and caution is what's going on there. If it's simply a man being milquetoast and not a quarter of what he represented himself as online, well then, yes...that can be disappointing for a woman, without a doubt.

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 6:40:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
But I am an asshole and Kana says he is a dickhead. So what did ya' expect?


Thank god for assholes and dickheads!

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 6:43:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RareByrd


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
But I am an asshole and Kana says he is a dickhead. So what did ya' expect?


Thank god for assholes and dickheads!


..I'm just sayin'.





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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 6:43:49 PM   
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I apologize if I said anything taken out of context LadyConstanze, that certainly wasn't my intention. I do understand your POV. I also know from experience that while some male Dominants fall way to one side of the hesitant mark, others overshoot it by so much it can leave a sub's head spinning as to where the middle ground exists.

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 7:46:17 PM   
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I just think most men online are just socially inept and that's why they spend so much time online and when they finally get a girl to meet them, they have zero idea how to react. They hide behind the computer screen to make up for their ineptness. Unfortunately in this day and age where we never have to leave our homes for anything, it's becoming more and more and more common.


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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 7:55:29 PM   
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No amount of pre-first meeting dialogue or excruciating detail provided by a guy met online and then the phone could ever change my stance that you are not my dominant until I say you are.

Chemistry for me is not real until we spend time with each other.

I feel it smacks of desperation and trying to prove how submissive or Dominant you are to give or obey orders without having met at least once.

Some people are great talkers online/phone.

Doesn't mean when I am in their presence they will move me in the slightest.

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RE: Have you encountered the Hesitant Dominant? - 2/11/2014 9:25:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

No amount of pre-first meeting dialogue or excruciating detail provided by a guy met online and then the phone could ever change my stance that you are not my dominant until I say you are.

Chemistry for me is not real until we spend time with each other.

I feel it smacks of desperation and trying to prove how submissive or Dominant you are to give or obey orders without having met at least once.


YES. Reading that account of MarcEsadrian's set off warning bells in my head. I would NEVER (to the billionth power) ever EVAR agree to anything like that.

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