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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 3:42:39 PM

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For your edification Hendrix was actually but in his mind Westbrook was defending his home.

That line made no sense, Bama. Could you rephrase?

It was Hendrix's home, he was defending it.
Westbrook apparently thought he was at his home, so in his mind all of this was turned around.
To him Hendrix was the intruder and Westbrook was defending his home.
After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:04:58 PM

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After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.

I wasn't one of those who made a lot of Westbrook's disability, Bama. As I said earlier, the matter of his Alzheimer's is irrelevant to me. Instead, I made a point about Hendrix's stupidity, and the American legal system's acceptance and excusing of it. Hendrix, to me, is obviously a gormless, rednecked, gun-loving and utterly paranoid turd who has a gun at the ready so he can shoot at something in the dark, but no flashlight at the ready so that he can properly *see* what he's shooting at.

Are flashlights expensive and difficult to maintain in the USA, Bama? Much more expensive and difficult to maintain than guns, for instance? Would it be outrageous to require that anyone shooting at someone in the dark first be required to throw enough light on that person to see what he's shooting at - that is, some poor old bloke holding only a torch and not a gun - before shooting him?

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:19:16 PM

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After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.

I wasn't one of those who made a lot of Westbrook's disability, Bama. As I said earlier, the matter of his Alzheimer's is irrelevant to me. Instead, I made a point about Hendrix's stupidity, and the American legal system's acceptance and excusing of it. Hendrix, to me, is obviously a gormless, rednecked, gun-loving and utterly paranoid turd who has a gun at the ready so he can shoot at something in the dark, but no flashlight at the ready so that he can properly *see* what he's shooting at.

Are flashlights expensive and difficult to maintain in the USA, Bama? Much more expensive and difficult to maintain than guns, for instance? Would it be outrageous to require that anyone shooting at someone in the dark first be required to throw enough light on that person to see what he's shooting at - that is, some poor old bloke holding only a torch and not a gun - before shooting him?

And so you refuse to listen to anything that doesn't support your world view.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:27:05 PM

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After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.

I wasn't one of those who made a lot of Westbrook's disability, Bama. As I said earlier, the matter of his Alzheimer's is irrelevant to me. Instead, I made a point about Hendrix's stupidity, and the American legal system's acceptance and excusing of it. Hendrix, to me, is obviously a gormless, rednecked, gun-loving and utterly paranoid turd who has a gun at the ready so he can shoot at something in the dark, but no flashlight at the ready so that he can properly *see* what he's shooting at.

Are flashlights expensive and difficult to maintain in the USA, Bama? Much more expensive and difficult to maintain than guns, for instance? Would it be outrageous to require that anyone shooting at someone in the dark first be required to throw enough light on that person to see what he's shooting at - that is, some poor old bloke holding only a torch and not a gun - before shooting him?

And once again when I make it simple enough for you to follow you change the subject

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:28:09 PM

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It was Hendrix's home, he was defending it.

Actually, it was his GF's home that he was defending.

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Westbrook apparently thought he was at his home, so in his mind all of this was turned around.

Nobody knows that - it's a supposition and guesswork.
For all we know, Westbrook was seeking help.

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To him Hendrix was the intruder and Westbrook was defending his home.

Again, nobody knows that for sure as nobody got to speak with Westbrook.

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After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.

Westbrook's disability isn't at issue.
You are making a big noise that Westbrook's disability made him a very dangerous man and therefore Hendrix was justified in shooting him.

I don't agree with that supposition at all.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:52:27 PM

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By a nightstick, my brother is a retired LEO.

In the head, with serious intent?

Who said to the head? But yes, with serious intent. He broke my arm.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:54:00 PM

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my brother

Obviously your graduate program didn't require an MAT.

WTF? Do you just write random crap and hope it is some how on topic?

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that it was off topic to point out the failure of your argument by analogy. But since you raise the issue, and if you don't mind me asking, is it always off topic to point out the failures in your arguments, or is this a special case?

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

You seem to have been confused there was no analogy of any kind in the post you responded to. Please retake remedial English.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:56:23 PM

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It was Hendrix's home, he was defending it.

Actually, it was his GF's home that he was defending.

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Westbrook apparently thought he was at his home, so in his mind all of this was turned around.

Nobody knows that - it's a supposition and guesswork.
For all we know, Westbrook was seeking help.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
To him Hendrix was the intruder and Westbrook was defending his home.

Again, nobody knows that for sure as nobody got to speak with Westbrook.

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After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.

Westbrook's disability isn't at issue.
You are making a big noise that Westbrook's disability made him a very dangerous man and therefore Hendrix was justified in shooting him.

I don't agree with that supposition at all.

He thought he was going home so it is reasonable to think that is where he thought he was.
His disability could very easily make him dangerous and even more likely to give every indication to be.
To some extent you right Westbrook's condition has no bearing at all on Hendrix's culpability.
If Westbrook wasn't disabled would you judge Hendrix the same?
That is what the law requires.
You cannot judge Hendrix based on what he couldn't know. Canceling out Westbrook's condition
you can see where his actions tragically brought about his demise.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 4:59:14 PM

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By a nightstick, my brother is a retired LEO.

In the head, with serious intent?

Who said to the head? But yes, with serious intent. He broke my arm.

The original question was about a head blow, you have danced around this so long you forgot what the tune was.
So if he broke your arm a head blow would have been the last thing you ever knew I win.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 5:09:08 PM

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He thought he was going home so it is reasonable to think that is where he thought he was.

No, he told the police he was going to go home after he'd read the mail.
If he found himself totally lost (nothing unusual for someone in his condition), he would be attempting to get help.
To extrapolate that he thought he was already home and therefore wanting to defend it (from Hendrix) is a stretch.
If nothing else, Westbrook would probably (but not certain) know he was outside, not inside.

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His disability could very easily make him dangerous and even more likely to give every indication to be.

But from all accounts, he wasn't.
Just because he could be, doesn't automatically make him so.

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To some extent you right Westbrook's condition has no bearing at all on Hendrix's culpability.

I'm glad we agree on something.

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If Westbrook wasn't disabled would you judge Hendrix the same?

Absolutely!!
Even if you ignore Westbrook's age, Hendrix was a trigger-happy redneck and made a bad call.

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That is what the law requires.
You cannot judge Hendrix based on what he couldn't know.

The law requires that you do know.
That's the point we're making.
If there were any threat at all, it certainly wasn't imminent as required by SYG laws.

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Canceling out Westbrook's condition
you can see where his actions tragically brought about his demise.

Nope. I don't agree.
Hendrix was a trigger-happy asshat. Pure and simple.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 5:26:37 PM

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"The law requires that you do know.
That's the point we're making.
If there were any threat at all, it certainly wasn't imminent as required by SYG laws. "

The law does not require that you know the other persons medical history.
Are you going to argue, like domken the he had to give Westbrook fist strike?
You are also ignoring the fact that Westbrook ignored three warnings, dismissing
Westbrook's condition, which you have do to judge this fairly, Hendrix would have
to believe an attack was imminent, remember SYG says that a reasonable person would believe,
not that three days later it turns out.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 5:40:40 PM

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The law does not require that you know the other persons medical history.

Are you being deliberately obtuse??
The law requires that you are aware of the situation and adjudged that your danger was imminent.

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Are you going to argue, like domken the he had to give Westbrook fist strike?

And I don't agree with your aggressive defense that the assailant is automatically given first strike either.
I've already explained that.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You are also ignoring the fact that Westbrook ignored three warnings, dismissing
Westbrook's condition, which you have do to judge this fairly, Hendrix would have
to believe an attack was imminent,

Imminent means immediate.
That is certainly not the case here.
Hendrix had plenty of time to judge his position yet he still shot Westbrook.
He made a bad call. it's that simple.

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remember SYG says that a reasonable person would believe,

And I'm saying that your idea of what a 'reasonable person would believe' is somewhat different to everyone else I've chatted to about this case and also that of my own.
I do not believe for one second that a reasonable person would have shot first without being sure of their position AND was in imminent danger.
It would appear that your definition of imminent is different to everyone else's.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 5:54:09 PM

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And once again when I make it simple enough for you to follow you change the subject

The subject was Hendrix's inability to see that Westbrook had a torch and not a gun and Hendrix's failings in that respect and whether or not he had an acceptable excuse for that. In my view, he did not. The subject wasn't what you wanted it to be - namely, the matter of Westbrook's Alzheimer's disease. You don't get to find what my subject is for me, Bama.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 6:41:11 PM

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By a nightstick, my brother is a retired LEO.

In the head, with serious intent?

Who said to the head? But yes, with serious intent. He broke my arm.

The original question was about a head blow, you have danced around this so long you forgot what the tune was.
So if he broke your arm a head blow would have been the last thing you ever knew I win.

Maybe you're confused over the idea of blocking a blow.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 6:42:01 PM

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And once again when I make it simple enough for you to follow you change the subject

The subject was Hendrix's inability to see that Westbrook had a torch and not a gun and Hendrix's failings in that respect and whether or not he had an acceptable excuse for that. In my view, he did not. The subject wasn't what you wanted it to be - namely, the matter of Westbrook's Alzheimer's disease. You don't get to find what my subject is for me, Bama.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 6:50:54 PM

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And once again when I make it simple enough for you to follow you change the subject

The subject was Hendrix's inability to see that Westbrook had a torch and not a gun and Hendrix's failings in that respect and whether or not he had an acceptable excuse for that. In my view, he did not. The subject wasn't what you wanted it to be - namely, the matter of Westbrook's Alzheimer's disease. You don't get to find what my subject is for me, Bama.

Just extend the same curtesy

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 6:56:11 PM

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By a nightstick, my brother is a retired LEO.

In the head, with serious intent?

Who said to the head? But yes, with serious intent. He broke my arm.

The original question was about a head blow, you have danced around this so long you forgot what the tune was.
So if he broke your arm a head blow would have been the last thing you ever knew I win.

Maybe you're confused over the idea of blocking a blow.

Maybe your confused about the idea of being dead.
I blocked more blows than you have seen.
By the time you are blocking blow and handicapping yourself with that broken arm you have made a firearm
virtually useless but that's ok because you have earned the approval of ken the all knowing.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 8:47:27 PM

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By a nightstick, my brother is a retired LEO.

In the head, with serious intent?

Who said to the head? But yes, with serious intent. He broke my arm.

The original question was about a head blow, you have danced around this so long you forgot what the tune was.
So if he broke your arm a head blow would have been the last thing you ever knew I win.

Maybe you're confused over the idea of blocking a blow.

Maybe your confused about the idea of being dead.
I blocked more blows than you have seen.
By the time you are blocking blow and handicapping yourself with that broken arm you have made a firearm
virtually useless but that's ok because you have earned the approval of ken the all knowing.

Why would I need a firearm? I disarmed my brother and put him in a come along and he calmed down. You see I don't need to shoot someone just because they hit me. Every incident between two people doesn't have to end with one being shot.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimer... - 3/10/2014 9:13:05 PM

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"Why would I need a firearm? I disarmed my brother and put him in a come along
and he calmed down. You see I don't need to shoot someone just because they hit me.
Every incident between two people doesn't have to end with one being shot."
With a broken arm??
Either you are superman or he is a wimp.

None of those incidents I told you about ended with a shooting so as usual you are barking up the wrong tree.
To say a specific case is justified is not to say you shoot anyone in sight, you clearly lack the ability to
comprehend this.

Are you that stupid or just trying to rile people up.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/10/2014 9:36:13 PM

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Gunman kills man with Alzheimers and walks away free.

One Man Lost and Impaired, the Other Fearful and Armed

There is a perfect match between these facts and GotSteel's thread:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4643110/tm.htm

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Mr. Hendrix took a handgun, hurried out into the darkness and shouted at Mr. Westbrook.

But Mr. Westbrook, who was carrying a flashlight that was not turned on, did not answer.

“Westbrook never verbally responded to Hendrix but began to advance towards Hendrix in what Hendrix described as a quick and aggressive manner,” Mr. Franklin said. “Hendrix could only see a silhouette figure carrying a cylindrical object in his hand but could not make out anything else.”

Mr. Hendrix kept yelling at Mr. Westbrook, who the authorities said “continued to advance towards Hendrix in the same manner.”

Mr. Hendrix then fired, striking Mr. Westbrook once in the chest.

Shit....I read the headline here and I actually thought someone killed someone.....with (using) Alzheimers.

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