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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 3:04:37 PM   
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It's just the catchup and payback period still going on.
It's obvious why this is the more common situation. It wasn't that long ago that the entire black community was one of slaves. Do you expect things to suddenly be perfect after they slowly got legal equality?

The situation includes a lot of non whites, because the same attitudes and actions were done to them as well for a long time. It's going to take a long time, if ever, for things to even out. In the meantime there are bad situations to work out. Things to try and make right. Both sides have to work at it.

Anger, frustration and fear on both sides is what racism really is. It doesn't always have a color difference.

We are living with the affects of history. In everything we do. Racism is just one part that we are all slowly getting over. Hell a lot of white southerners dislike northerners. Old wounds.

We often have to go the extra mile to set things right. We are in that time. If we do as much as we can, maybe the kids won't have to keep on doing it. Same as a lot of things we need to work at harder, for the kids.

I take every person at face value till I know them. Equal initial respect and treatment. Unfortunately, I know that some may not do the same towards me. I take that into account.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 3:28:17 PM   
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racisim comes in all colors, cultures, shapes, sizes, religions, economic and social backgrounds as well as within your race and after nearly 43 years Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's speech we as a nation are nowhere near achieving that dream.

sad but true
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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 3:41:56 PM   
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Proof that the KKK is alive and well!   Hats off to the millions of minorities who have risen above the hatred and have become productive members of society, that work hard, carry the pain of their people each and every day and turn a blind eye to the negative rants of the uneducated.  

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 4:00:27 PM   
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I do not fell think that the op was wrong in  what that statement said.  If we had Caucasian only colleges and Caucasian college funds they would be sued in the court system as being racist.  Do we need to have a caucasian pride month? No but their shouldn't be a black pride month either.  When it was first initiated they complained that they got the shortest month of the year.  I refuse to be ashamed of being white.  I have no reason to feel responsible for how other races ancestors were treated.  I am not responsible for slavery and am not going to be shamed for it.  Some of my races ancestors were brought over here as slaves.  I don't demand compensation for it.  So am I proud that I am white?  NO but I am not ashamed of being white either.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 4:02:09 PM   
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Take fell out of the first sentance changed my line of thought and didn't delete the word. 

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 5:01:45 PM   
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I wasn't going to respond to this tripe of a thread other than what I already have.. but the gist of it is that there is "reverse" racism going on so that justifies White racism in some way, shape, or form...

The point is that White people control most of the money and power not only in this country, but also in the world... you really cannot measure your racist attitudes against those who have less power than you do.,. it just sounds ignorant.

Racism towards all people bothers me mainly because there is no such thing as a "race" anyways.. we are not different "breeds" of human beings on planet Earth for crying out loud. People fear that which is different from them, just like people fear WIIWD, because they are ignorant. We may differ in our morphological traits as people, but basically our genetic code is closer to one another than most other mammals on this planet, the reason why is that our genetic diversity is small because we have not been around as long as most other species on this planet.

It is really disheartening to read an opening post like this one that seeks to foster more ignorance, hatred of difference, and chooses to validate the worst that humanity is, instead of posting something that bridges the gap of this dichotomy... very sad... and an eye for an eye DOES make the world blind.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 5:40:19 PM   
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I've got stuff to say here, but it's all garbled in my head.  I am a reformed racist.  My father and his side of the family are big racists.  When I grew up, my mother and father divorced... I lived with my Mom.  My mother sent me to mostly black schools (I being white).  Whenever I would mention to my father or his mother (Grandmother) that I'd played with someone at school or had a conversation with someone... their very first question was always "Is he/she black?".  Pissed me off!  That shouln't matter!  Then I married a racist when I was 17.  It ate at me the way he saw the world.  M.C. Hammer was a BIG celebrity back then and my husband (Ex-husband, now) would say how he wished he could get ALL black people (okay, he didn't say black people.. he used a word that I will not!) together at an M.C. Hammer concert and blow the place up.  I stupidly asked, knowing I couldn't reason with him or change his mind, "But, what about the women and children?".  His reply?  "Lice breeds Lice." 

When we separated, I went to college and met a woman who changed many .... NO, she helped me to change many aspects of myself.  She was a catalyst for change.  She would pose questions and scenarios to me, about faith and life and, yes, racism.  It would piss me off when I would try to tell her a story about someone I'd met "This asian lady I met at the gas station...." and she would interrupt me and ask me "What does her race have to do with anything?"  Once when my son woke up with spots all over, I called the pharmacy to find out if he had Chicken Pox.  I told my friend when I got off the phone that the "Black pharmacist said...".  She went laughing through the house saying how I could tell what color someone was over the phone!  But the point came through.  And I recalled situations where I would be near black people, men especially, and I would move over so as not to be so close.  I had lived with racists all my life but never realized that I, myself, was one of them.  I love the song "Coming out of the Dark" by Gloria Estefan because of that friend that I learned so much from.  I feel as if she led me through the dark into the light... a lot of realizations about myself.

In any case, I thought I was going to just shoot down the OP's post completely.  But then I realized, there is a validity to SOME of it.  Now here comes the confusion from my brain.  On the one hand, it's true that things are lop-sided.  Other races get holidays and scholarships and colleges all to their own, and the white race doesn't.  And in one way, I can see that this is unbalanced.  In this day and age, there shouldn't be a need for all of these things.  But some of them, I believe, are still needed.  We have to realize that, yes, "ghettos" do raise a lot of black citizens.  This is one of the reasons that some of these things, like Black History Month and the United Negro College Fund, are important.  Also it's important to remember that a lot of minority races have been, and still are in some ways, down-trodden.  It's important for them to learn a sense of pride in themselves and their community.  Maybe it's just me, but I don't believe that we, as white folks, have a lack of pride in ourselves as a race.  (individual self esteem issues not included.. many people, of all colors, have that problem)  Also, I don't know the statistics on this, but generally speaking I don't think white people are the victims of a lot of arrests based on color alone.  (though I'm sure there are a few out there, there are always exceptions)  Nor do white people generally have trouble catching a taxi late at night.  In other words, there are still a lot of inequalities out there.  And black, latino, etc people are still in the minority and treated as such in many ways. 

Let me try to finish this up.  I think that as long as our nation is still unbalanced, we're going to have a need for these over-compensated systems to make up for it.  Do I feel ashamed of who I am as a white person.  Absolutely not.  Do I feel it's my responsibility to make up for the past wrongs of my ancestors?  I dunno.  I'm torn on that one.  In some ways yes, in some ways no.  I'm a girl of contradictions I suppose.  I haven't got it all figured out.  Do I feel we, as the white race, should have pride in ourselves?  At this moment I'm saying no.  I think we spend far too much time bitching about "They have more cookies than me" and "It wasn't me." instead of taking responsibility and trying to grow and learn.  That's not all of us, for certain.  Probably not even most of us.  But there are some loud ones that get heard a lot anyway.

As for me, I've still got a lot of growing and learning to do.   =)


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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 5:47:14 PM   
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How does having power make you racist? In other words Louis Farakan is not racist because he is not white? It has nothing to do with power. Oprah Winfrey has way more money and power than I do. So does that mean that she can be racist but I can't?
A racist believes that race determines worth. There are people of all colors who believe that notion. It seems to me that any notion of pride because of race is silly. That seems to be what the original posting was trying to point out.




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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 6:01:33 PM   
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quote:

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How does having power make you racist? In other words Louis Farakan is not racist because he is not white? It has nothing to do with power. Oprah Winfrey has way more money and power than I do. So does that mean that she can be racist but I can't?
A racist believes that race determines worth. There are people of all colors who believe that notion. It seems to me that any notion of pride because of race is silly. That seems to be what the original posting was trying to point out.





Quote where I said having money and power makes one a racist? I did not say that.. let me restate my words.. the term "reverse racism" sounds ignorant because first racism is just racism... And my point is this, people who on average have mor opportunities, less discrimination, more ease in moving in society because of opportunities afforded them, more cultural capital screaming about how they have a right to be racist because someone from a more disadvantaged group displays hatred for them seems somewhat over the top to me. I can well understand why certain groups hate White people, mainly because I have attempted to walk a mile in their shoes and see the world from their perspective.. my whole academic career is going to be based in the politics of difference and globalization.. It is something I have bothered to learn about

What Oprah makes has no bearing on what the guy that called you a cracker makes and his existence.. I cannot even fathom why you brought Oprah up.,... is that like your token Black billionaire that you can throw up as an example of why all minorities should be able to pull themselves up by their boot straps and have a go at the American dream? I would challenge you to spend a few weeks in East LA, or dress up as a Black man and cruise Bel Aire... you may find it would be harder to pull yourself up than you think it is.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 6:06:01 PM   
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The theory is that the white's (as a group) have power and therefore can wield it over minority groups. So individual whites can be racist by having the backing of the group with power. Black and Asians etc. being members of minority groups don't have power but can be prejudice against other races.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 6:12:27 PM   
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Racism is racism is racism. All groups have the ability to be racist, and stupid.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/7/2006 6:26:28 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

How does having power make you racist? In other words Louis Farakan is not racist because he is not white? It has nothing to do with power. Oprah Winfrey has way more money and power than I do. So does that mean that she can be racist but I can't?
A racist believes that race determines worth. There are people of all colors who believe that notion. It seems to me that any notion of pride because of race is silly. That seems to be what the original posting was trying to point out.


quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Quote where I said having money and power makes one a racist?



I believe he got the idea when you stated this. Honestly that is what it sounded like. Added.... you didn't say it makes you racist but it makes it sound like having money and power is a prerequisite.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The point is that White people control most of the money and power not only in this country, but also in the world... you really cannot measure your racist attitudes against those who have less power than you do.,. it just sounds ignorant.


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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 12:45:54 AM   
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For your information, I was born in East LA. My parents dealt with racism (being of Mexican descent as I am). I know what it was like in the past and I know how things have improved.
I mention Oprah because she is a perfect example of someone working hard and becoming a success evan though she is (God forbid) a black woman in the US. And she is not the only minority who is a success in this country. 
You believe the outdated notion that whites are the reason that minorities (read; blacks and hispanics) cannot get ahead.
And I would bet that a black man cruising Bel Air would be much safer than a white man cruising South Central.
And that is why my family moved from East LA (and were accused of trying to be white by the way when we did).
So, I have lived what I talk about. I didn't just read about it in college. 

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 1:15:01 AM   
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quote:

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How does having power make you racist? In other words Louis Farakan is not racist because he is not white? It has nothing to do with power. Oprah Winfrey has way more money and power than I do. So does that mean that she can be racist but I can't?
A racist believes that race determines worth. There are people of all colors who believe that notion. It seems to me that any notion of pride because of race is silly. That seems to be what the original posting was trying to point out.





The folks you cite are still a minority of media and power. And most who have posted seem to know racisim needs no specific color or religion etc.....
You can point to some powerful and rich people of minority. But you need not even point to indicate the vast majority of white or whiteish folks that have 99 percent of the wealth and power in this world.
And a few non white nations/races have wealth and power due to resources they sit upon, and so far, allow to be almost stolen by......wait for it........mostly white western folks! The ones who complain or want to have it for themselves get invaded etc....


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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 1:19:34 AM   
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I don't know if you've ever read Jim Goad's "Redneck Manifesto", but I think you'd enjoy it.  As a matter of fact, it should be required reading in today's high schools.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 1:20:56 AM   
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You believe the outdated notion that whites are the reason that minorities (read; blacks and hispanics) cannot get ahead.



Not the whole reason now. But it is still the reason for them getting the late start and still being behind. It happened in history. But the effects are still there and in a terrible rut. Of course not whiteys fault entirely. But it is a fact, that they started late and were hamstung and are in a deep rut that is still a problem to get out of. The pull yourself up by yourself thing is all well and good, and sometimes happens. But the playing field is not even.

Wow what a load of metaphors. But saved typing.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 2:25:25 AM   
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greetings to all
 
I think this is not true i am a black woman i grow up in a back place but my parents taught me not to speak slang made sure i went to school i was i  the house fast no boyfriend i listen tothem and mad sure i try. I was there in these places where we had a chioce school or fool the hell around. the only thing i know is true the drug were there but when theyu came out into the white area then something was done.
I seen so many who could had made it but they did not have parents like i did yes it was hard oh sure i had white people who thougth i would steal fromt them but i knowi would never do it i was taught many things honor respect and how to act my son who is 25 is onewho carries himself like a man he can get any job he wants this is becase i taught him how to speak how to act no matter where he is honor is so impoertant in my family
al of the childerd have made it to college and have degrees i do think it is how you rest i would not ever blame someone white for anything if i had a reason i would say it.
 
but i did two time in my life was call the n word the first time i was 19 and it was a car full of kids i look behind me and other my other shoulder they became mad when i laugh i was scare i had to run into a store. the second time i was at work ateacher just walked up to me and called me tthe n word this time everyone i will say they protected her and i lost my job i was on chemo i could not write and they made sure i was out of there. am i mad  no becasue this woman who i report for hittingkicking the special needs childern will do it again and this timeshe will hurt someone. i think of it but i am notmad just sad thatit had to been like that. thing  happen it was meant for me to not work any longer but thingswere strange i had teachers come up to me and say iwas right to report her but they would not backme up i was the onl black person working there for 7 years i had a great time i was treat with respect  and honor but thing happen
that is all we as black peope must do our own and make it our job to go for t=what we want. not ever blame some white for not having a job
 
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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 2:27:41 AM   
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...entertaining the idea that we are racist is simply good mental hygiene.........when we feel we are above reproach is when we are most likely to fall......................

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 3:07:14 AM   
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We have all grown up in an inherently racist society that is only of late acknowledging what it is. No matter how good our intentions we cannot escape our socialisation. It is best to accept what we are and work towards and a more fair and just society for the sake of future generations.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/8/2006 3:59:51 AM   
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For your information, I was born in East LA. My parents dealt with racism (being of Mexican descent as I am). I know what it was like in the past and I know how things have improved.
I mention Oprah because she is a perfect example of someone working hard and becoming a success evan though she is (God forbid) a black woman in the US. And she is not the only minority who is a success in this country. 
You believe the outdated notion that whites are the reason that minorities (read; blacks and hispanics) cannot get ahead.
And I would bet that a black man cruising Bel Air would be much safer than a white man cruising South Central.
And that is why my family moved from East LA (and were accused of trying to be white by the way when we did).
So, I have lived what I talk about. I didn't just read about it in college. 


But that's us white folks fault, Estring......... or so some guilt mongers think.
 
Excellent post.
 
 

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