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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 5:12:59 AM   
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The question was raised why there were all black colleges and it simply goes back to segregation.   We asked for it and now we complain about it.   
Sorry but all ya white people crying about being discriminated against is so funny.   You got one guy whining on another topic that he is put down and treated like crap cause he is fat then come on this thread and whines cause black people have their own colleges.   Geeze thin people aren't allowed on fat farms---get over yourselves.   And quit freaking whining---and btw fat discrimination is different from other kinds cause you can't change the color of your skin (unless your name is michael) and you can't change it if you are gay---if your fat---you can change that.  

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 6:22:48 AM   
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The second: indeed do onto others as you'd have done onto you...  Treat everyone as dignified as you'd want yourself treated, and judje each on his own merits, not based on observable excess melanin.   M


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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 2:03:27 PM   
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I can give you 3 black-run towns that somehow got destroyed because we weren't smart enough to come up with defensive strategies. They weren't destroyed due to crack and guns. 2 were destroyed by whites from the neighboring towns because of nothing more than jealousy (Durham, N.C., Tulsa, OK), the 3rd was destroyed because a white woman lied and said she was raped by a black man so they came with the lynch mob. (Rosewood, Florida- look it up)

The town in NC was Wilmington, not Durham. Other than that, the statement is accurate.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 5:38:11 PM   
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fast reply to no one, and everyone.
I posted that topic to make a point.
No one seems to have realised just why I posted.....and in fact the reason I posted was because I knew there would be assumptions ( about MY views/beliefs etc.) AND to show just how often so many people do NOT read the pertinent replies by the OP.
Sure enough...off you all went on your merry way.
It just shows to go ya!  A forum is basically a place people assume, and generally end up doing the usual. It never ceases to amaze me, and I guess I just wanted to "prove" to myself that my impression of forums was pretty accurate.
I will now bow out...and leave you all to go your merry way. I did not read all the posted replies....just anough to note that the usual crap started.....going from polite open debate to nasty stuff..... as I said.....confirming the human race to be as prejudiced/selfish/arrogant/bombastic as I first posited when I was about 14.
I leave you now, to your petty prjudices/selfishness/arrogance.......and crawl back to my safe haven of Master and myself (He stopped reading the messageboards when He realised just how "human" it was.... I hung in there, hoping, I suppose)
May all be blessed with whatever it is they want.
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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 5:44:53 PM   
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fast reply to no one, and everyone.
I posted that topic to make a point.
No one seems to have realised just why I posted.....and in fact the reason I posted was because I knew there would be assumptions ( about MY views/beliefs etc.) AND to show just how often so many people do NOT read the pertinent replies by the OP.
Sure enough...off you all went on your merry way.
It just shows to go ya!  A forum is basically a place people assume, and generally end up doing the usual. It never ceases to amaze me, and I guess I just wanted to "prove" to myself that my impression of forums was pretty accurate.
I will now bow out...and leave you all to go your merry way. I did not read all the posted replies....just anough to note that the usual crap started.....going from polite open debate to nasty stuff..... as I said.....confirming the human race to be as prejudiced/selfish/arrogant/bombastic as I first posited when I was about 14.
I leave you now, to your petty prjudices/selfishness/arrogance.......and crawl back to my safe haven of Master and myself (He stopped reading the messageboards when He realised just how "human" it was.... I hung in there, hoping, I suppose)
May all be blessed with whatever it is they want.
Fare Well.


Hoping what? That the humans on a forum would be not human? Instead of trying to manipulate everyone, would it not have been better to just pose whatever question you had?

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 5:51:59 PM   
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fast reply to no one, and everyone.
I posted that topic to make a point.
No one seems to have realised just why I posted.....and in fact the reason I posted was because I knew there would be assumptions ( about MY views/beliefs etc.) AND to show just how often so many people do NOT read the pertinent replies by the OP.
Sure enough...off you all went on your merry way.
It just shows to go ya!  A forum is basically a place people assume, and generally end up doing the usual. It never ceases to amaze me, and I guess I just wanted to "prove" to myself that my impression of forums was pretty accurate.
I will now bow out...and leave you all to go your merry way. I did not read all the posted replies....just anough to note that the usual crap started.....going from polite open debate to nasty stuff..... as I said.....confirming the human race to be as prejudiced/selfish/arrogant/bombastic as I first posited when I was about 14.
I leave you now, to your petty prjudices/selfishness/arrogance.......and crawl back to my safe haven of Master and myself (He stopped reading the messageboards when He realised just how "human" it was.... I hung in there, hoping, I suppose)
May all be blessed with whatever it is they want.
Fare Well.


And just when, particularly, did the two of you stop being human?  Didn't you just, by this very thread, prove yourself to be exactly what you accuse everyone else here of being?  By your own admission, you posted to stir shit.  How does that make you any better or different than those that posted in reply?

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 7:07:26 PM   
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Racism all boils down to ignorance.  It may not be your ignorance in question but someone elses.  If you as a person of Caucasian persuasion walk into a high class restaurant and ask to be seated, 8 out of 10 times you will be seated without question or funny looks.  If I of Negroid persuasion walk into the same restaurant at the same time, I might be seated but I will either be questioned or scrutinized, I don't think anyone can dispute that.  If you walk into that same restaurant with me, you will be seated after scrutinization and you might not get the best table you could get if you had walked in with someone else of Caucasian persuasion.

I realize people are upset about all the "perks" minorities seem to have...but if you think about it, these "perks" were/are a necessary evil.  They were created out of a need and have flourished because of diligence.  If you have a problem with an "All Black College", apply to that college, I bet you get all types of scholarships to go and you will get a first rate education as well.  Ok they are not quite as recognized as Harvard, Yale etc.....but that does not mean the education is not on the same level.  You might also have to learn a little bit about a culture you are not familiar with.  So you get bonus education...Contrary to popular belief...If a college gets gov't funding, it cannot discriminate against people.  Affirmative action works for non-minorities in situations like this...GO FOR IT and quit complaining about it. 

There is nothing wrong with taking pride in the accomplishments of the people you identify with that have helped you better yourself.  The OP stated something about Martin Luther King Day, Ceasar Chavez day etc.....Do we not celebrate Presidents Day..No Blacks or Mexicans included there.  Has anyone sat and really watched a movie lately?  How many movies do you see with an ALL BLACK cast.....none, not even "ALL BLACK MOVIES"  However, I have seen many movies that don't include even a black extra..thats why we had to have BET....all other channels are WET for the most part.

How many people have ever identified their friend by something other than the fact that they were their friend ie:  Black, Jewish, Hispanic, Baptist, Muslim etc?....this is a racist attitude....if they are your friend, they are simply your friend....descriptions are unnecessary. 

If we could be blinded when it comes to skin color for a day, imagine how enriched your life would be.  This thread has brought out many comments from those that have been very suprising to me.  I have only been posting regularly for the past 2 months, but have watched the boards for a few years and I have to say, my eyes have been opened wide. 

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 7:13:14 PM   
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In what ways do you feel your eyes have been opened?

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 8:14:26 PM   
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I believe there are assholes in all races, creeds, religions, what ever. Where you come from and what colour your skin is  or what name you call God by or if you believe in the Divine Goddess even, this does not define whether or not you are or are not an asshole.

So really seeing as there are dumbasses and ignorant people and assholes in all walks of life. Does this not then make us all equal


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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/9/2006 8:15:42 PM   
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I believe there are assholes in all races, creeds, religions, what ever. Where you come from and what colour your skin is  or what name you call God by or if you believe in the Divine Goddess even, this does not define whether or not you are or are not an asshole.

So really seeing as there are dumbasses and ignorant people and assholes in all walks of life. Does this not then make us all equal



Amen! At least on the first sentence heh heh.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 12:10:49 AM   
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I just long to lick a black woman's shoulders.  I've no idea why, it's just something I'd love to do. And there are no black women where I live.  The only way I can fulfill my dream is to regularly send white women to a tanning salon.

And then they just taste like bacon.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 6:23:27 AM   
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People don't use the word cracker or honkey anymore.  What the hell, that is sooo 70's this is 2006 and yes there is racism on all sides.  People who make comments like the one that started this tree is a racist that wants to pussyfoot around and try to make it okay to say nigger and other racial slur just because you assume that people are also calling you names.What white person doesn't want to say the word nigger with out being called a racist.  The truth is you do say it.  You say that fuckin nigger got the job or that rice eatin' bastard didn't clean my shirts right or that spic cut me off.  You say it at the tables among your family and friends where you feel most comfortable because in reality they think like you too and some of you say it in front of your own children at the dinner table teaching them to be racist also. I am african American and I find it offensive. If you are considering such things then you have potentially racist ideas. 

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 7:24:04 AM   
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That sounds dangerously close to "You're a racist until I say otherwise".  The OP's point may have been a little strong but it was simply pointing out that black people don't have a monopoly on being victims of racism.


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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 11:40:31 AM   
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The question was raised why there were all black colleges and it simply goes back to segregation.   We asked for it and now we complain about it.   
Sorry but all ya white people crying about being discriminated against is so funny.   You got one guy whining on another topic that he is put down and treated like crap cause he is fat then come on this thread and whines cause black people have their own colleges.   Geeze thin people aren't allowed on fat farms---get over yourselves.   And quit freaking whining---and btw fat discrimination is different from other kinds cause you can't change the color of your skin (unless your name is michael) and you can't change it if you are gay---if your fat---you can change that.  


The white people weren't complaining about the black colleges, they were questioning why black people felt the need to have them when they would raise all kinds of hell if we had white colleges. 

And all us fat people weren't complaining about being discriminated against...I personally could careless what anyone thinks of me.  And no it is not different...noone likes being discriminated whether you are black, white, hispanic, skinny or fat. 

I personally think that if ya'll want your black colleges, black television stations, million man marches and so on, don't bitch about being a minority and being oppressed by the white man. 

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 2:45:23 PM   
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And all us fat people weren't complaining about being discriminated against...I personally could careless what anyone thinks of me.  And no it is not different...noone likes being discriminated whether you are black, white, hispanic, skinny or fat.
You have no idea how different it is...  
I would say "it's a black thing, you wouldn't understand" and I mean no disrespect to those of you who do.   M

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 4:03:50 PM   
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People don't use the word cracker or honkey anymore.  What the hell, that is sooo 70's this is 2006 and yes there is racism on all sides.  People who make comments like the one that started this tree is a racist that wants to pussyfoot around and try to make it okay to say nigger and other racial slur just because you assume that people are also calling you names.What white person doesn't want to say the word nigger with out being called a racist.  The truth is you do say it.  You say that fuckin nigger got the job or that rice eatin' bastard didn't clean my shirts right or that spic cut me off.  You say it at the tables among your family and friends where you feel most comfortable because in reality they think like you too and some of you say it in front of your own children at the dinner table teaching them to be racist also. I am african American and I find it offensive. If you are considering such things then you have potentially racist ideas. 


I hope I misunderstood this.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 5:17:51 PM   
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The white people weren't complaining about the black colleges, they were questioning why black people felt the need to have them when they would raise all kinds of hell if we had white colleges. 

Jesus doesn't anyone read all the posts---can we say segregation???
Do we understand what it means???     

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 6:41:17 PM   
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I do not fell think that the op was wrong in  what that statement said.  If we had Caucasian only colleges and Caucasian college funds they would be sued in the court system as being racist.  Do we need to have a caucasian pride month? No but their shouldn't be a black pride month either.  When it was first initiated they complained that they got the shortest month of the year.  I refuse to be ashamed of being white.  I have no reason to feel responsible for how other races ancestors were treated.  I am not responsible for slavery and am not going to be shamed for it.  Some of my races ancestors were brought over here as slaves.  I don't demand compensation for it.  So am I proud that I am white?  NO but I am not ashamed of being white either.


You can't be sued (successfully) for simply being a whites-only organization. There actually is a (racist) National Association for the Advancement of White People. And there is no Black Pride month, there's a Black History month and to this very day it's one of the few time you'll actually learn much about African-American contributions to American history. Stop overreacting.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 6:46:00 PM   
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And I would bet that a black man cruising Bel Air would be much safer than a white man cruising South Central.
And that is why my family moved from East LA (and were accused of trying to be white by the way when we did).
So, I have lived what I talk about. I didn't just read about it in college. 


And that's not a race issue, that's a socio-economic issue. It's the "ghetto mentality". A hundred yeears ago, it was the Irish and Italians instead of the blacks. (You can also make the same comparison to professional sports now and then.)

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/10/2006 7:37:26 PM   
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Estring, I applaud you. I am white. I am not a racist. I believe that all people should work to the highest standards of behavior and education. For two decades, I worked for the Federal Government. The branch employed mostly blacks. Out of 17,800 employees, I was one of about a dozen who were white. Was I abused, slandered, or insulted? Every minute of every day. Eventually, I turned into a racist. It's been a few years since I've been RIF'd out (reduction in force during the Clinton Administration), and I am over it, or so I thought. I drove a cab for a while-lease driver. The cab's owner: a black guy from Ghana, told me never to pick up black passengers. I thought, as I was getting over my racism, what nonsense. Out of about twenty fairs, only one paid. The rest were run-outs. Later I decided to return to school-- a nice university in the Los Angeles area. I also decided to try living on campus--never done that in my youth. One of my room mates was a black guy that had never been to high school, junior high, or taken any college entrance exam or the high school equivalency exam (G.E.D.). He had only attended school to the 5th grade and dropped out. He was there on a special affirmative action program exclusively for ghetto minorities. He wasn't required to attend class, so he didn't. He sat in front of the computer looking at porn all day, except for when he went to work at Washington Mutual Bank. This program guaranteed him a 3.0 G.P.A. for absolutely nothing. He has since used his ill gotten degree to become a branch manager at WAMU. The man can barely read!!!
It then occurred to me.
I am not the racist. The liberal maggots of this society have lowered the bar so low that minorities are stuck in the mire of desolation. After all, how can one climb to the top of the Empire State Building with only a step stool and a broken elevator? We all need a foundation of good behavior and a ladder of strong education to climb to the heights that we desire for ourselves and our children. Will race make you a target of "profiling" by the cops? No, but your behavior will. Strangely, most of my cop buddies are black or hispanic (only one white guy) and they are the first to profile what they percieve as "gangster" behavior. Racism? No. Police officers are just trained to filter out suspicious behavior. If I wander through the streets of Bel-Air, going from yard to yard, looking over fences, etc. I will be dragged to the brig by the local constabulary.
Liberals should not assume that a person is incapable of success because of their race. I've known countless physicians, lawyers, and college professors who became who they are not in spite of their race, but because of their talent and dedication. To assume one incompetant because of thier race is criminal.
That room-mate I discussed before is incompetant not because of his race, but because of his lack of education. He must be a pretty smart guy, because he was able to debug his computer and fix its problems like a professional programmer. Having never taken such a class, he learned it on his own. If the bar had been raised for him as it is for non minorities and those minorities that refuse to accept lower standards, I am convinced without reservation that he would be as successful as any that walk the hallowed halls of education.

As a biologist, I must say that in reality, race is an invention of man. Our phenotypes have evolved to accomodate evolutionary stressors, but all mankind is but of one species: Homo sapiens. Homo, our genus, means "same". Sapiens, our species, means wise. Perhaps we can all try to live up to our species name.

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