BlkTallFullfig
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Thanks for your honest/thoughtful reply.
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Assuming that learning in particular is a function of having equal access to education. Most people have completed their basic education in 25 years. Twenty-five years ago would take us to 1981. Where in the US from 1981 to present was there segregation that results in one race getting a poorer education than any other? What institution currently is racially segregated and is advocating by action continued segregation? No institution is legally segregated, in that you are right. That however does not mean that folks already in positions of power aren't going to give first opportunities to their siblings/friends. The only way you could successfully eradicate prejudicial treatment in the workplace, is by requiring equal opportunity/treatment of everyone within that company, provable by verbal and physical evidence.
Many people don't attend majority white institutions because they feel marginalized and out of place, especially if those places go out of their way to make one feel uncomfortable.
I cannot tell you how often people addressed me as the help at my current job, and God forbid I actually knew something more than my co workers (because I had more experience). The only reasons I didn't quit is because I knew that I had the goods and could deliver, that almost no institution was going to be devoid of that attitude, I needed work/money, and I was stubborn. I've had one or two instances of solid evidence of race based mistreatment, but you could say I've been beaten into submission by refusing to constantly fight (or going to the EEOC again), and just let people be, hoping they will let me be.
Many parents were/are unable to teach their children to value education because all they knew themselves was hard work in the field or her master's kitchen. Many blacks learn to hate themselves because they learned that they were less respected than the master's dog. You cannot cage someone for hundreds of years than let him loose, and say go and prosper without teaching him the skills and or reprogramming his thinking. In my opinion, just as slavery lasted 400years, so too should we have the patience to offer blacks free (my thought on reparations if you will) top of the line education (from math to science to philosophy, and humanities) to bring themselves into equal footing.
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BET perpetrates and advance segregation through their black only awards programs. Is there any comparable institution in the US? Yes it's called the Emys and Grammys, etc...
In my opinion BET prospers precisely because it caters to the stereotypes of the past; it isn't a money maker because of it's black audience. BET is so mainstream America that as soon as it was sold to MTV, they got rid of the 2 power hitters (Ed Gordon and Tavis Smiley) on there who were actually more interested is speaking the truth to our (black and white) higher natures than settling on feeding into our (black and white) basest lusts/fears. BET is segregationist I agree but it isn't helping blacks aside from the Johnson family perhaps.
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AA/EEO programs were necessary and served their purpose for the time that they were put in place. Through my personal and business experiences I know that statement is false. Why in striving for equality in 2006 do we need government programs making some people more equal than others? Because people are sometimes evil, and scared, and race is one thing frequently used to keep folks from reaching higher.
I grew up in a home where money wasn't valued above all things, so I've never been particularly aggressive about fighting for more money, but... My first job gave me similar evaluations to at least 2 co workers and 1 percent less in raise.
My current job, upon researching pay/experience, called me and game me a raise in my 2nd or 3rd year in the position (which they told me to keep hush about).
You and I have spoken of this before, and I asked how you would know if racism still occurs? There is no obvious way to measure it, and most black folks cannot afford a lawyer (or even find one willing to take the case) when race matters are encountered.
You say that EEOC is unnecessary: I successfully filed a complaint with the EEOC in approximately 1994. Even though I filed a claim and received a response as having a valid claim, I could not find a television station in the state to listen to my story on air, or a lawyer to represent me at that time. Because of the EEOC outcome, I asked the institution to donate a little money to a couple of charities as a result, and they did. Nowadays, I have access to radio and television (albeit local) to speak my opinions, although when/if I do, they are never about myself.
In high school my black advisor (among many other people) told me not to attend the particular university I attended because it was too difficult and I wouldn't make it. I defied them because my father never taught me I was limited. I had a difficult time initially, almost losing heart, until I found a white saint who told me what I was going through was normal, and to trust myself, so I did, and was on the Deans list more that once thereafter.
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When, in your opinion, will it be no longer necessary in the US to help the black race to; "catch up"? I ask in the spirit of always having a goal in anything worth striving. Without one you never know when you've succeeded In my opinion, it will no longer be necessary when black social issues do not massively surpass white social issues wether those issues are financial, physical, social, etc. When we no longer say the laws are there, but do nothing to enforce the laws... People are either desperately trying to make it, or have become desperate and given up. We who have made it owe them something back. Black women/men should not have to live in crime ridden neighborhoods simply because they cannot afford to live where they work/used to work.
Black children should not have to remain in the getto simply because they were born of uneducated black parents. I should not have expected to be stopped simply because I decided I liked the Lexus and bought it (now I drive an old car, lol). Yes I know there are poor white people too. I say when black problems are as proportionate to white problems we will have succeeded in eradicating racism, and the effects of slavery.
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When woman were qualified as a 'minority' for the purposes of college admissions they represented less than 25% of the student body. Currently woman represent 53% of all college students yet they still maintain their special status for admissions. Obviously the goal of woman's equality is greater than 50% because the program continues. In this case, we can in my opinion, do away with the program. M
< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 7/11/2006 1:49:12 PM >
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