LookieNoNookie
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My argument has been throughout....that "it can't be done" (by some races because of their history) is just plain fallacy.
I don't think the argument here has been "it can't be done," but rather, it's asked in a form of a question "How can it be done?" Examining the history is important to understand how we got to this point. It's a matter of understanding our own history and the damage it has caused to our nation and the people who live in it. Some people are still in denial about that - or they minimize and play down the magnitude of the issue in question. They might say "it can't be done" because there are those in society actively working against "it" being done.
That still doesn't stop those who believe otherwise.
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Unless you have physical or mental limitations that truly limit you (Stephen Hawking excluded because, his brain will likely be preserved, plugged in to some nuclear source and continue working for us through the year 4,219), you can absolutely achieve more.
I absolutely can't stand comments, they make me cringe, that because of some races awful history, they're subject to some horrible future.
The thing is, that "awful history" is also something that's part of our race and country, too. I think things have improved in my lifetime, and I'd like to think that the future will be better (although you never know). But the important thing is to at least be honest about our history and our current situation. If someone puts in their best effort to "reach for a star," and if they're denied access or opportunity due to their race, then that's a crime that has to be addressed. It doesn't mean they're not trying or that they don't have to make an effort, but we, as a society, have an interest in making sure that everyone is treated fairly and equally.
It's not "a crime" it's an impediment.
In this thread, I think people have been addressing what they see as denial. Some posters seem to be denying that racism is a problem in society and are implying that it's the minorities' own fault that they're not succeeding. To be sure, many have succeeded and done quite well for themselves. Also, it stands to reason that there may be other problems in society (besides racism) which may be hindering society's ability to improve the lot of its people and ensure that all are being treated fairly and equitably.
Racism is real. It's just coming from a source that is incongruous from that which most believe it emanates from.
I think there may be some inherent systemic flaws that may also be to blame here. Although many key reforms were made in our society to end racism and discrimination in this country, the same basic structure and foundation was kept intact. Wall Street was still Wall Street. The Mob was still the Mob. The military-industrial complex and the national security state were still there. The government was still the government. The rich still remained rich. (But a valid question is: Why?) The standard of living did improve after WW2, as we had the good fortune of being one of the few countries that didn't have wiped-out industries and devastated economies. (indeed, our industrial complex was one of few still intact ergo, we could produce, en mass, what others desired) Even if there were genuine desires for reform and change in society, it seems that they only existed at the surface - something that we were trying to do to improve our national image and reputation, but there seemed to be a reluctance (on all sides) to really get to the core of what the problem is or was. And I think it's perfectly natural that a lot of people just want to forget the past, get over it, move forward, and everyone should just get along and be free, ambitious, successful, rich - and everything will be just great.
Forgetting the past is the first and most potent mistakes.
But it might also seem like the equivalent of giving plastic surgery and a makeover to a corpse. That may be why some people have certain misgivings about the way things are currently going. Forgetting the past is the reason.
< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 5/15/2014 3:57:40 PM >
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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 
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. Perhaps if I were to speak real slow...In the first statement you claim that these people are as you put it dumber than a fart (and yet still capable of grasping opportunity....once again Thompson....looking for the lowest common denominator) and yet in the next statement you claim that anyone can do it. (And, anyone clearly can) Obviously these people were not making it because your buddy bill had to help them out. (He's not my buddy....I've never met him but he provided at a cost an advantage that farmers with limited education found an ability to take advantage of) 
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