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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 1:42:15 PM

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There's are a lot of things going on here but frankly, I'd like the Pentagon to tell me if this man deserted his post in a war zone or went AWOL.

The American people do have a right to know.

You might want to look up pfc bobby garwood and the butt fucking he took at the governments hand.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 2:22:10 PM

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The only way I would have made that deal is if I could ensure those Taliban prisoners ended up dead anyway.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 2:25:05 PM

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The only way I would have made that deal is if I could ensure those Taliban prisoners ended up dead anyway.

Bingo. I had exactly the same thought, and with luck that's what will happen.

K.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 2:28:15 PM

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The only way I would have made that deal is if I could ensure those Taliban prisoners ended up dead anyway.

Your candor speaks directly to your view of ethics.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 2:44:34 PM

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The only way I would have made that deal is if I could ensure those Taliban prisoners ended up dead anyway.

Your candor speaks directly to your view of ethics.

Yeah right, climb down while you can. That horse is too big for you.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 3:25:35 PM

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You're an idiot, Truckinslave.

I was glad to see our soldier is free, and on his way home, even if we did have to make a shitty deal to get him out.

If it were me in Obama's position I would not have agreed to the exchange... But if I were the father I would kissing Obama's hand.

This is tough but I look at it this way... I may be bringing home a soldier in captivity... but it is possible...even likely... that I will be taking away the life of another fathers son or daughter.

These five hardened fanatic killers are now free to kill again... Do you really think they will just go home and live a peaceful life? It think it is more than probable that they will kill more than one American in the future... So in effect Obama has traded lives for a captive...Not a wise move.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 3:54:16 PM

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These five hardened fanatic killers are now free to kill again...

Are the fanatc killers only on the other side?

Do you really think they will just go home and live a peaceful life?

Do you think any soldier exchanged goes home and live a peaceful life?

It think it is more than probable that they will kill more than one American in the future...

Hmmmm how can we stop that from happening????maybe if we get the fuck out of their country they will stop killing us.?

So in effect Obama has traded lives for a captive...Not a wise move.

This would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 3:56:38 PM

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You're an idiot, Truckinslave.

I was glad to see our soldier is free, and on his way home, even if we did have to make a shitty deal to get him out.

If it were me in Obama's position I would not have agreed to the exchange... But if I were the father I would kissing Obama's hand.

This is tough but I look at it this way... I may be bringing home a soldier in captivity... but it is possible...even likely... that I will be taking away the life of another fathers son or daughter.

These five hardened fanatic killers are now free to kill again... Do you really think they will just go home and live a peaceful life? It think it is more than probable that they will kill more than one American in the future... So in effect Obama has traded lives for a captive...Not a wise move.

Butch

This is true if and only if both the President is an idiot and the Emir of Qatar is a liar who is willing to be known as someone who violates his agreements. Otherwise the Emir has sworn to make sure these 5 men never pose any threat to us and has further promised to keep physical control of them for 1 year.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 3:58:00 PM

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The only way I would have made that deal is if I could ensure those Taliban prisoners ended up dead anyway.

Your candor speaks directly to your view of ethics.

Yeah right, climb down while you can. That horse is too big for you.

K.

You once mentioned a german ww2 pilot who had a clean shot at a wounded enemy and instead "chivilrously" declined the kill as being unethical. If we agree to a prisoner swap does not our honor demand we mount that larger horse?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:10:24 PM

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After 1 year what happens?

I don't think the President is an idiot...just wrong

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:15:09 PM

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If these five are such hardened terrorists, or as someone absurdly wrote "terrorist leaders" Why have they not been tried as such ?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:15:27 PM

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This is true if and only if both the President is an idiot and the Emir of Qatar is a liar who is willing to be known as someone who violates his agreements. Otherwise the Emir has sworn to make sure these 5 men never pose any threat to us and has further promised to keep physical control of them for 1 year.

Just ONE year Ken??
Do you think the likes of AQ or the Taliban or Boko Haram or other similar insurgents are worried about a single year for five men??
They'll sit tight for a year then be off to rejoin the nearest jihad group that'll welcome any and all of them with open arms.
Then they will be at it again as if nothing had happened.
ETA: My understanding is, most of those pushed into Gitmo, even the milder ones, were absolute asshat terrorists of the first degree.

Your guy will probably end up being retired or in a desk job if he stays in the forces.
He isn't likely to be sent back out to the front line.

The problem is, you are trying to apply western rationale and ethics to extreme fundamentalists that don't don't give a shit about us and just want to destroy and eliminate all the infidels of the world.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:21:42 PM

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After 1 year what happens?

I don't think the President is an idiot...just wrong

Butch

The nutsackers believe that they will be in charge of this shit, and they can straighten it out then...........oh, wait....that's right.....nevermind (on all accounts).

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:22:52 PM

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Just ONE year Ken??
Do you think the likes of AQ or the Taliban or Boko Haram or other similar insurgents are worried about a single year for five men??

Do you think the likes of the army airborn or the green berets or the navy seals would be worried about a single year of inaction?
How are their soldiers different than ours?

They'll sit tight for a year then be off to rejoin the nearest jihad group that'll welcome any and all of them with open arms.
Then they will be at it again as if nothing had happened.

How much time were they in the joint?

ETA: My understanding is, most of those pushed into Gitmo, even the milder ones, were absolute asshat terrorists of the first degree.

It would be nice if you could validate that "undestanding"

Your guy will probably end up being retired or in a desk job if he stays in the forces.
He isn't likely to be sent back out to the front line.

Or railroaded into prison

The problem is, you are trying to apply western rationale and ethics to extreme fundamentalists that don't don't give a shit about us and just want to destroy and eliminate all the infidels of the world.

Perhaps if the "inidels of the world" left them the fuck alone perhaps they would reciprocate.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:32:36 PM

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Just ONE year Ken??
Do you think the likes of AQ or the Taliban or Boko Haram or other similar insurgents are worried about a single year for five men??

Do you think the likes of the army airborn or the green berets or the navy seals would be worried about a single year of inaction?
How are their soldiers different than ours?

They don't give a shit about human lives - not even their own.
Our guys don't usually kill their own just to score points... they do.
That's a huge difference.

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They'll sit tight for a year then be off to rejoin the nearest jihad group that'll welcome any and all of them with open arms.
Then they will be at it again as if nothing had happened.

How much time were they in the joint?

Does it matter??
And, FWIW, they don't care as long as they can get out and kill more.

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ETA: My understanding is, most of those pushed into Gitmo, even the milder ones, were absolute asshat terrorists of the first degree.

It would be nice if you could validate that "undestanding"

Just about every news bulletin that ever hit the airwaves.
Or did you sleep through all of that for years??

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Your guy will probably end up being retired or in a desk job if he stays in the forces.
He isn't likely to be sent back out to the front line.

Or railroaded into prison

That's a possibility if they discover he deliberately went AWOL.
But that hasn't been established yet.

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The problem is, you are trying to apply western rationale and ethics to extreme fundamentalists that don't don't give a shit about us and just want to destroy and eliminate all the infidels of the world.

Perhaps if the "inidels of the world" left them the fuck alone perhaps they would reciprocate.

You think so??
I think the fucking extremists started on western troops before we got into any territorial support anywhere.
And yes, I support the western countries fighting to eliminate any and all extremists whether they are a rampant group hell-bent on destruction or one of their leaders is ruining their own country or killing their own people.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:41:38 PM

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The only way I would have made that deal is if I could ensure those Taliban prisoners ended up dead anyway.

Your candor speaks directly to your view of ethics.

I'm a simple man. I hold no allegiance or fondness for the man with a knife to my throat. But I'd keep my word. But the second after the terms are met...you are negated as a threat. On general principle I'd prefer we break knives, not return them.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 4:45:48 PM

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You will not hear me defend Guantanamo...but that is not my point. If the Taliban want these particular inmates I think we can agree there is a particular reason...and not a friendly one.

Whether we have followed our own rule of not negotiating or not, the rule is a good one and should be followed for obvious reasons.

Butch

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 5:19:45 PM

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The only way I would have made that deal is if I could ensure those Taliban prisoners ended up dead anyway.

Here you say you wont keep your word.

But I'd keep my word.

Here you say you will keep your word.

But the second after the terms are met...you are negated as a threat.

Here you say, in your best chuck norris voice" you wont keep your word.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 5:21:53 PM

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They don't give a shit about human lives - not even their own.
Our guys don't usually kill their own just to score points... they do.
That's a huge difference.

You are mistaken and the historical record shows that.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/2/2014 5:24:27 PM

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Just about every news bulletin that ever hit the airwaves.
Or did you sleep through all of that for years??

Yes we have found that historically news bulletins are often less than accurate. Consider the case of the "tonkin gulf" incident. The u.s. went to war on that less than accurate "news bulliten"

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