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No, I'm a woman who lived in the Middle East.

Which middle eastern country exactly? You know if you were a Muslim in Kazakhstan. Eating Pork is allowed. Even within Muslim community, they all pick and choose whatever they want, simple thing like how severely should they cover their head or should they cover their head at all, they all choose their own interpretation. But the Islam I hate is the Islam the Quran and Hadith talks about. See now those Kazakh pork eating Muslims would be my best friends, since they could enjoy meals with me and we could hang out. Alcohol drinking Muslims would probably be able to chill with me too! After all, the pious one are not allowed to enter any establishment that serves alcohol, so we won't be able to chill.

The big word is PIOUS.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
I got to understand how they prize and adore their wives;

Not impossible, but credit it to Islam? You must be joking.

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and how they were the ones who chose to cover themselves or not.

Again, only because the husband allows it, but the husband is allowed to punish his wife for not covering herself, as clearly stated in the Quran. So it's back to the stone ages where ability to marry a kind and compassionate husband matters, or you're screwed.

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I certainly don’t like a lot of Sharia which includes the oppression of women, stoning of women and the death penalty for ridiculous things like adultery but the people I lived amongst had no choice but to abide by it, at least publicly.

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I got to know a lot of Iranian women. They are incredibly beautiful, often vein and usually quite outspoken and bossy. I’ve always said, Iranian women would make the best Dommes because they won’t stand for nonsense off the men folk. They are very proud women who are in the habit of getting their own way.

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As far as equality within the home, daughters are encouraged in education as much as the sons are. Its not unusual to go to a dinner party where the woman are dressed up to the nines and plastered in make-up (Iranian women spend a fortune on make-up) and find the man doing the cooking. Neither was it unusual to hear an Iranian man saying, I’ll do the washing up dear, you’ve done enough. What they never do is argue publicly, both men and women would see that as disrespectful to each other. The one thing Iranian men do that you don’t often see with English men is, they compliment and openly declare their love for their wife in front of people. The Iranian man is generally very proud of his wife, especially if she's confident and outgoing.

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Whilst none of this may be a credit to Islam, it is a credit to their culture. They really are very similar to us in so many ways.

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Another thing... many Muslim women choose to be covered when leaving the house (in western countries) because they believe its more virtuous not to have random men casting eyes on them.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
But Sharia Law is Islam. Exactly, Islam forbids them freedom of religion. This is all the fault of that religion! It's no coincidence that no Sharia law country in this world, including Malaysia and Indonesia, even the most moderate Islamic countries, allows conversion OUT of Islam.

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They were Persians, forced conversion into Muslims. Duh! Does not take away their original identity. So, which is EXACTLY what I'm talking about all the while, that there are many Muslims who are Muslims against their will in this world. They didn't have choices.

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No Credit to Islam again, this is not a thanks to Islam thing, I assure you. It has to do with their Persian heritage. Non-Islamic heritage.

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Persians are not Islamic culture, but they are forced to follow that religion.

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Because they were taught that they are sluts if they dare flaunt themselves, so they feel ashamed and like a whore if they dare not covered up. They were brought up and brainwashed to feel this way about themselves by Muslim mentality and culture.
In Malaysia they explain it, their Ministers explain it, and this stuffs gets broadcast on their national wide mainstream newspaper as official government advisory, that, that poor Muslim men gets emotional damage from seeing women wearing things that bring sexual attention, like tight jeans and girlie shirt. Infact the whole article was criticizing Muslim women who wear jeans and t-shirt. That men cannot help themselves the desires they have apparently to disrespectfully maul a woman when she's flaunting herself like that, so women should be more considerate to cover up in baggy clothes, and of course head gear and stop causing men distress.

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Point is, the reason why regular women, like in my country, are comfortable wearing mini short skirts everywhere or super tight and short shorts, is because, men don't look at women lecherously, and even if they do, they know how not to show it to make the woman uncomfortable. But In Iran, men probably will intentionally look at them in a disrespectful way and make them uncomfortable to force them to go back into fully covered. So do they really have the choice? When they don't feel safe in less clothings? Or is that choice an illusion?

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Maybe what you are defending are Persians, and they were a great culture until Islam took over and oppress them from what made them great. Weren't alot of precious historical Persian stuffs destroyed when the Muslims took over too? And your Persian friends have to huddle in private, it's like some underground camp or something, where they can live normally and dress normally. As you say, Persian women enjoy make up and dressing up. Can't do it in public, because they were oppressed from doing so in public by Islamic male thinking of women who dresses that way.

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I am all for the control of women, but I just cant be arsed to do the prayer rug thing 5 times a day or to memorize shit. So, I would have to do it without Allah, if you please.