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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 4:38:41 PM

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All I'm saying is the Nazis made racial doctrine as their reason for existence, and even the least objective of people can surely see this is not the case with Islam.

Guess what dude???the morons here are not the least objective of people.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 4:44:45 PM

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Could it be the same reason that The KKK says they are "committed to a non-violent resolution. "?

Is this something new???I have not heard such. Perhaps you might have a link?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 4:49:17 PM

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Because it is in their self-interest to do so, to claim it is what it is not. This is allowed and encouraged by taqiyya. Taqiyya (you're invited to look it up if you want) is the doctrine of dissimulation for the purpose of advancing the cause of Islam. A Muslim is permitted, even encouraged, to lie in order to advance the military objectives and domination objectives of Islam. Really, this is marketing 101. But what is unique is the explicit sanction and encouragement of Islam to engage in taqiyya in order to deceive the infidels and win victories, thus ultimately subjugating the infidels.

Let me see if I have this right? The muslims study marketing 101 at ucla. Go home and use the knowledge that if you lie about your product that you can get some people to buy it just like christians do here and ????tell me again what your issue is?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 4:51:14 PM

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And what is beyond dispute is that the founder of Islam was a vicious violent killer.
Know the root, predict the fruit.

It is also beyond dispue that both washington and jefferson held their own children in slavery.
Know the root, predict the fruit.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 5:09:57 PM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

Yes it is on record. It is in the book that they worship and live their lives by. It is called the koran.

The book tells them to kill enslave or convert anyone not like them, we are specifically called the infidels or unclean.

And I find it very disgusting to be labelled an islamophobe for simply wishing to retain my culture and traditions in my community in my country. Muslims emigrate to western nations and once they have been welcomed in they create ghettos, the shit on their host country, try to enforce Islamic rules in the communities that have welcomed them. And not only on the Islamic residents of the community but on all residents, Canadian, American, British, French...
The problem is much greater in Europe than North America but it is coming. To imply I am racist (islamophobe) for wishing to retain my traditions from my catholic upbringing while also lecturing me that I must understand and tolerate their traditions while they shit on mine is disgusting and insulting to any western nation citizen.

And while we are on the subject a phobia is defined as an irrational fear. (As in the movie arachnophobia were everyone was scared of the spiders) I and other westerners do not have a fear of islam we have a dislike for those muslims who wish for us to change our ways so our country conforms to their lifestyle. If their lifestyle and traditions were so important, why did they leave their country.?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 5:22:22 PM

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Are we looking at the wrong end of the word?

Should we attempt to popularize "miso-Islamic"?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 8:20:52 PM

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Now we begin to see the beauty in books about beliefs written by men. You can have them say and thus you are to believe just about...anything you want.

We are all alien genetic mutations that never evolved on this planet, were made just smart enough to mine the gold for them, then in about 70 years went from horse back, stuck on the ground to flying to the moon and back and showing off our nukes and they knew...the kids found the matches and we'd better keep a frosty eye on these dumb mofos.

Meanwhile, if you want to war over such bullshit...be our guest. We'll just sit back and watch from on high.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 8:44:50 PM

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Yes there are Naziphiles, I think we call them "skin heads."

White Supremacists The Aryan Nations (Aryan Brotherhood) has been around since at least the 1970s. They find new recruits daily throughout prisons dispersed across the country, where they have a solid foothold, and they appeal to "scared white boys." They are considered to be neo-Nazis as posthumous followers of Hitler, and their "Bible" is Hitler's autobiographical manifesto-diatribe Mein Kampf (translated, My Struggle).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations
(Not my source. I heard firsthand accounts from ex-convicts back in the mid-'70s.)

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 9:44:32 PM

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So someone who hates christians would also be a racist? What about mormons? If they run around making cracks about magic underpants are you going to call them on their racism?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 9:48:19 PM

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Yes. The record is called the Koran.

Then why is it that muslims promote Islam as a religion of peace?

Possibly because those promoting it want peace.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 9:51:00 PM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

Yes it is on record. It is in the book that they worship and live their lives by. It is called the koran.

The book tells them to kill enslave or convert anyone not like them, we are specifically called the infidels or unclean.

And I find it very disgusting to be labelled an islamophobe for simply wishing to retain my culture and traditions in my community in my country. Muslims emigrate to western nations and once they have been welcomed in they create ghettos, the shit on their host country, try to enforce Islamic rules in the communities that have welcomed them. And not only on the Islamic residents of the community but on all residents, Canadian, American, British, French...
The problem is much greater in Europe than North America but it is coming. To imply I am racist (islamophobe) for wishing to retain my traditions from my catholic upbringing while also lecturing me that I must understand and tolerate their traditions while they shit on mine is disgusting and insulting to any western nation citizen.

And while we are on the subject a phobia is defined as an irrational fear. (As in the movie arachnophobia were everyone was scared of the spiders) I and other westerners do not have a fear of islam we have a dislike for those muslims who wish for us to change our ways so our country conforms to their lifestyle. If their lifestyle and traditions were so important, why did they leave their country.?

This reminds me of an analogy I've used. I'm an atheist, so I've met Christian conservatives who honestly believe I am going to Hell, eternal Hellfire, Damnation, etc. And if I'd like, they'd love to have me access the word of Christ. And if I don't? Ah ... nothing. That's it.

Now, the typical Muslim doesn't want to save me. He wants to convert me, by any means necessary. And if I don't convert? Well, then he PERSONALLY is ready to send me straight to Hell. See there is a big difference between someone who believes I am going to Hell and someone committed to sending me there.

And that's the difference between modern Christianity and "modern" Islam.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 9:55:53 PM

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Yes there are Naziphiles, I think we call them "skin heads."

White Supremacists The Aryan Nations (Aryan Brotherhood) has been around since at least the 1970s. They find new recruits daily throughout prisons dispersed across the country, where they have a solid foothold, and they appeal to "scared white boys." They are considered to be neo-Nazis as posthumous followers of Hitler, and their "Bible" is Hitler's autobiographical manifesto-diatribe Mein Kampf (translated, My Struggle).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations
(Not my source. I heard firsthand accounts from ex-convicts back in the mid-'70s.)

The prisons are pretty much the Aryan Nation (whom even non-Nazi sympathizers might join for protection against the Black Muslims) and the Black Muslims (whom, yes, in prison, even non-Muslim -believers might join for protection against the Aryan Nation). Personally, if they both eliminated the other, I think society would benefit immensely.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 10:05:36 PM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

Yes it is on record. It is in the book that they worship and live their lives by. It is called the koran.

The book tells them to kill enslave or convert anyone not like them, we are specifically called the infidels or unclean.

And I find it very disgusting to be labelled an islamophobe for simply wishing to retain my culture and traditions in my community in my country. Muslims emigrate to western nations and once they have been welcomed in they create ghettos, the shit on their host country, try to enforce Islamic rules in the communities that have welcomed them. And not only on the Islamic residents of the community but on all residents, Canadian, American, British, French...
The problem is much greater in Europe than North America but it is coming. To imply I am racist (islamophobe) for wishing to retain my traditions from my catholic upbringing while also lecturing me that I must understand and tolerate their traditions while they shit on mine is disgusting and insulting to any western nation citizen.

And while we are on the subject a phobia is defined as an irrational fear. (As in the movie arachnophobia were everyone was scared of the spiders) I and other westerners do not have a fear of islam we have a dislike for those muslims who wish for us to change our ways so our country conforms to their lifestyle. If their lifestyle and traditions were so important, why did they leave their country.?

This reminds me of an analogy I've used. I'm an atheist, so I've met Christian conservatives who honestly believe I am going to Hell, eternal Hellfire, Damnation, etc. And if I'd like, they'd love to have me access the word of Christ. And if I don't? Ah ... nothing. That's it.

Now, the typical Muslim doesn't want to save me. He wants to convert me, by any means necessary. And if I don't convert? Well, then he PERSONALLY is ready to send me straight to Hell. See there is a big difference between someone who believes I am going to Hell and someone committed to sending me there.

And that's the difference between modern Christianity and "modern" Islam.

Revert. Not convert. Revert.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 1:21:56 AM

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Now, the typical Muslim doesn't want to save me. He wants to convert me, by any means necessary. And if I don't convert? Well, then he PERSONALLY is ready to send me straight to Hell.

That's news to me. I've met lots of Muslims. Many of my students have been Muslims. Not one of them has ever tried to convert me, or send me to Hell. In fact not one of them has ever been anything other than scrupulously polite to me. (I wish I could say that about Christians but it would be a barefaced lie.) My impression is that the ones I have met just want to get on with their lives with the minimum of complication and fuss, just like the rest of us.

So either I have met an unrepresentative sample or the claims in the post above are false. For me it's a simple case of what do I believe -my own experiences or the ideologically driven desperate sounding claims above.

Perhaps if subrosaDom actually met a Muslim or two he might have a little more insight into their lives and beliefs. I fear this is unlikely to happen - bigots rarely allow their bigotry to be challenged.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 1:22:21 AM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

Yes it is on record. It is in the book that they worship and live their lives by. It is called the koran.

The book tells them to kill enslave or convert anyone not like them, we are specifically called the infidels or unclean.

It also provides the option of taking a tax from people who don't convert. Admittedly, this doesn't actually damage the point you're making.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 1:30:35 AM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

Yes it is on record. It is in the book that they worship and live their lives by. It is called the koran.

The book tells them to kill enslave or convert anyone not like them, we are specifically called the infidels or unclean.

It also provides the option of taking a tax from people who don't convert. Admittedly, this doesn't actually damage the point you're making.

Indeed. The jizya - ISIS has been imposing it, but its use dates back all the way to Mohammed. Even by paying it, one is still a second class citizen. it is no different than whites demanding blacks pay a tax to have limited rights -- or to leave the country -- or to be killed.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 6:05:29 AM

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Pop culture redefinitions of words...

Racism is prejudice against a particular gene set attributing all the members of a phenotype with character flaws. Racism deals with race.

Religious bigotry deals with prejudice against followers of a certain creed.

But, re-defining words for a political agenda is common these days. Terrorism once referred to a military tactic of targeting a civilian population with bloody harassment to make them stop supporting opponents out of fear and demonstrating the opponents ineffectiveness. The Department of Homeland Security has been able to re-define the word so that any of the freedom marchers of the 60s would be terrorists. I wonder how soon they will bring back the Alien & Sedition Act so anyone who disagrees with the current administration is committing a felony.

Personally, I feel an instant dislike for fanatics of any stripe. Fanaticism, no matter the cause, seems to breed evil and suffering. So many fundamentalist mullahs, so many fanatics, so much evil.

I also have a dislike for some cultural memes. The "thug life" mindset gives me instant nausea.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 6:55:22 AM

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I hear many pronounce that Islam is a religion of peace Nd that Muslims just want to be our friends.
While some of them may actually want this, to the main line Islamics, those Muslims who wish such are not true Muslims.
Why? For any Muslim who claims to be a true believer in Allah and the Koran, they are NOT permitted to befriend ANY non believer.
The Koran states emphatically that the ONLY why a believer may deal with an infidel is to convert, subdue , tax, enslave or KILL the non believer.
They are forbidden to make friends outside of Islam.
They are encouraged to lie and deceive an infidel if it will give them a better position to take advantage of said infidel later.
Speaking for myself..This sort of person is NOT one I choose to trust.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 7:50:10 AM

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Some might find it odd that so many people have trouble understanding that Islamophobia can be understood as a form of racism. No one seems to have that problem with anti-Semitism, which can refer to either an irrational prejudice against the Jewish religion or race.

As is so often the case with these poor souls struggling with the concept, there's one standard for Muslims and another for everyone else. So I suppose no surprise really.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 8:39:16 AM

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Now, the typical Muslim doesn't want to save me. He wants to convert me, by any means necessary. And if I don't convert? Well, then he PERSONALLY is ready to send me straight to Hell. See there is a big difference between someone who believes I am going to Hell and someone committed to sending me there.

The only problem with this scenario is that it is a product of your imagination and no where in the u.s. have you seen it happen. You are such a phoquing moron to post such childish gibberish.

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