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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 8:43:38 AM

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I hear many pronounce that Islam is a religion of peace Nd that Muslims just want to be our friends.
While some of them may actually want this, to the main line Islamics, those Muslims who wish such are not true Muslims.
Why? For any Muslim who claims to be a true believer in Allah and the Koran, they are NOT permitted to befriend ANY non believer.
The Koran states emphatically that the ONLY why a believer may deal with an infidel is to convert, subdue , tax, enslave or KILL the non believer.
They are forbidden to make friends outside of Islam.
They are encouraged to lie and deceive an infidel if it will give them a better position to take advantage of said infidel later.

If the above were true, then where is the evidence of this having happened in the u.s. with it's not insignificant population of muslims?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 9:02:52 AM

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The prisons are pretty much the Aryan Nation (whom even non-Nazi sympathizers might join for protection against the Black Muslims) and the Black Muslims (whom, yes, in prison, even non-Muslim -believers might join for protection against the Aryan Nation).

Do you just open your mouth to change feet?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 9:17:38 AM

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Pop culture redefinitions of words...

Racism is prejudice against a particular gene set attributing all the members of a phenotype with character flaws. Racism deals with race.

Most folks who wear shoes to school know that there is only one race on the planet...the human race.

Religious bigotry deals with prejudice against followers of a certain creed.

But, re-defining words for a political agenda is common these days.

A casual look at the historical recod of rhetoric says it has been common for quite a while.

Terrorism once referred to a military tactic of targeting a civilian population with bloody harassment to make them stop supporting opponents out of fear and demonstrating the opponents ineffectiveness. The Department of Homeland Security has been able to re-define the word so that any of the freedom marchers of the 60s would be terrorists.

Those of us old enough to have been there remember the "laws" that were quoted that made them terrorist by the definitions of the time thus the water cannons,dogs and national guard.
Same shit different flies.

I wonder how soon they will bring back the Alien & Sedition Act so anyone who disagrees with the current administration is committing a felony.

It is called the patriot act now.

Personally, I feel an instant dislike for fanatics of any stripe.

Would that include islamaphobes?

Fanaticism, no matter the cause, seems to breed evil and suffering.

Only for the oppressed.

So many fundamentalist mullahs, so many fanatics, so much evil.

So many fundamentalist christians, so many fanatics, so much evil.

I also have a dislike for some cultural memes. The "thug life" mindset gives me instant nausea.

It would appear that your opposition to fanaticism is pretty directional.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:28:55 AM

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I suppose this is the same mentality of those who scolded others about the "good Germans" while London was being bombed during WWII...

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:37:24 AM

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It's just that screaming "racist!" is their favorite insult.
They have used it so often and so inappropriately that it is losing effect.
The 21st century equivalent of crying: "Wolf! Wolf!!"

You wish it were losing effect, sadly for you it isnt.

Racism, islamophobia, homophobia, call it what you fucking like but it is ALL venomous hatred spewed against those that are different. If most of you were like me and only hated the terrorist and were able to realise the majority of Muslims were like us, the world would be a better place.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:47:18 AM

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So someone who hates christians would also be a racist? What about mormons? If they run around making cracks about magic underpants are you going to call them on their racism?

Could you be any stupider ? Did you not read the post where I said Asians are attacked as Muslims without people asking what religion they believe. Do you not fucking think that in attacking people for having brown skin they are not racists, just islamohobes who have got the wrong target ?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:48:52 AM

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You wish it were losing effect, sadly for you it isnt.

Racism, islamophobia, homophobia, call it what you fucking like but it is ALL venomous hatred spewed against those that are different. If most of you were like me and only hated the terrorist and were able to realise the majority of Muslims were like us, the world would be a better place.

Are we discussing Muslims, or Islam?

While we are all human and therefore alike in may ways just as you write, we are not all Islamic. It has been demonstrated here in this thread and others that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:52:29 AM

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You wish it were losing effect, sadly for you it isnt.

Racism, islamophobia, homophobia, call it what you fucking like but it is ALL venomous hatred spewed against those that are different. If most of you were like me and only hated the terrorist and were able to realise the majority of Muslims were like us, the world would be a better place.

Are we discussing Muslims, or Islam?

While we are all human and therefore alike in may ways just as you write, we are not all Islamic. It has been demonstrated here in this thread and others that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

You stupid prick....... Your ignorance grows by the day, sadly for the rest of us.

A MUSLIM IS AN ADHERENT OF ISLAM

Is that simple concept to hard to understand, even for you ?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:54:17 AM

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Where are the "moderate" muslims? They are all in a state of perpetual outrage. And, we have a sympathizing president who enables them, or worse.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:56:58 AM

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You wish it were losing effect, sadly for you it isnt.

Racism, islamophobia, homophobia, call it what you fucking like but it is ALL venomous hatred spewed against those that are different. If most of you were like me and only hated the terrorist and were able to realise the majority of Muslims were like us, the world would be a better place.

Are we discussing Muslims, or Islam?

While we are all human and therefore alike in may ways just as you write, we are not all Islamic. It has been demonstrated here in this thread and others that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

You stupid prick....... Your ignorance grows by the day, sadly for the rest of us.

A MUSLIM IS AN ADHERENT OF ISLAM

Is that simple concept to hard to understand, even for you ?

Why all the anger and the ad hominems? Did I touch a nerve?

No, Muslims aren't necessarily adherents to Islamic teachings, thats the whole point. I agree that it is wrong to prejudge individuals, therefore it is wrong to prejudge Muslims... However, your anger and your name calling does nothing to address to the points raised.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 10:58:14 AM

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I suppose this is the same mentality of those who scolded others about the "good Germans" while London was being bombed during WWII...

Any evidence of this or is it just more bollocks ? Let me guess, its just more bollocks, like most of your posts these days.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:00:41 AM

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Where are the "moderate" muslims? They are all in a state of perpetual outrage. And, we have a sympathizing president who enables them, or worse.

FFS, Its like trying to stop the lemmings going over the cliff. One starts off and the rest duly follow.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:04:37 AM

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Now, the typical Muslim doesn't want to save me. He wants to convert me, by any means necessary. And if I don't convert? Well, then he PERSONALLY is ready to send me straight to Hell. See there is a big difference between someone who believes I am going to Hell and someone committed to sending me there.

Really? The average Muslim I meet - in fact, every Muslim I've ever met - has expressed no interest in converting me whatsoever. In fact, he's either been friendly or, much more often, not given a toss about me one way or another, so long as I've not tried to harm him in some way. Exactly like every Christian, Jew, Buddhist or indeed atheist. I'd make an exception for the Odinists I've met, though - as one might expect, given the violence of those Norse myths ... er, they've nearly always been friendly and easy-going (though I've never quite taken to their sandal-wearing and bad breath, frankly).

Honestly, I find this religious determinism pretty implausible. Myself, I've found that if people have a comfortable life, they'll want to keep it - and that usually takes an effort to get along with people. That generally entails not trying to convert, torture or kill them. If they don't have a minimally-comfortable life; well, that's when trouble can start. I don't know, SD ... it's clear that you've picked up a lot from your reading. But, you know, I do think getting out and meeting people can be enriching to one's knowledge of them, too.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:05:12 AM

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Any evidence of this

Res ipsa loquitur

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:05:13 AM

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Why all the anger and the ad hominems? Did I touch a nerve?

No, Muslims aren't necessarily adherents to Islamic teachings, thats the whole point. I agree that it is wrong to prejudge individuals, therefore it is wrong to prejudge Muslims... However, your anger and your name calling does nothing to address to the points raised.

You dozy fucker, dont you know anything. I have bolded the garbage in your post for you.

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Muslim is the preferred spelling for ‘a follower of Islam’, although the form Moslem is also used. The archaic term Muhammadan (or Mohammedan) is not favoured by Muslims and should be avoided.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:05:58 AM

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Are you still claiming it's racist to be prejudiced towards adherents of a belief system?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:07:05 AM

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Any evidence of this

Res ipsa loquitur

No it doesnt.....

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:09:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Why all the anger and the ad hominems? Did I touch a nerve?

No, Muslims aren't necessarily adherents to Islamic teachings, thats the whole point. I agree that it is wrong to prejudge individuals, therefore it is wrong to prejudge Muslims... However, your anger and your name calling does nothing to address to the points raised.

You dozy fucker, dont you know anything. I have bolded the garbage in your post for you.

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Muslim is the preferred spelling for ‘a follower of Islam’, although the form Moslem is also used. The archaic term Muhammadan (or Mohammedan) is not favoured by Muslims and should be avoided.

You are really trying to argue that all Muslims strictly adhere to the teachings of Mohammad / the Quran?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:09:57 AM

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Are you still claiming it's racist to be prejudiced towards adherents of a belief system?

Yes indeed, not that racists get it.

If you were suggesting islamic teorrists are evil shits you would be right, but that isnt the case for most of those telling me I am wrong, is it.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:12:10 AM

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You are really trying to argue that all Muslims strictly adhere to the teachings of Mohammad / the Quran?

No I am arguing that many of you who claim to be islamophobic are racist. #

Are you really suggesting every one who identifies as a Christian is a strict adherent ?

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